DCS

[Art-J]

I don't do multiplayer, but from what I read, Normandy map is the more used one on popular servers, so although Channel is better from SP point of view, if Remontti prefers MP, he needs Normandy. It looks crap, but is bigger and has lower hardware requirements.

 

Extended Normandy 2 is in the works by Ugra Media studio, but if it turns out to have the same absurd memory consumption as their Syria map, I think smaller Normandy 1 will still be used.

 

In either case, the option of 2-weeks free trial applies to both maps as well.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

I don't do multiplayer, but from what I read, Normandy map is the more used one on popular servers, so although Channel is better from SP point of view, if Remontti prefers MP, he needs Normandy. It looks crap, but is bigger and has lower hardware requirements.

 

Extended Normandy 2 is in the works by Ugra Media studio, but if it turns out to have the same absurd memory consumption as their Syria map, I think smaller Normandy 1 will still be used.

 

In either case, the option of 2-weeks free trial applies to both maps as well.

I’ve never had any issues with the Syria map, even on my previous system never mind my newer one.

 

 

 

 

 

[Art-J]

Good for you then, but documented cases of runaway memory usage/leak in long, complex MP missions (with resulting recommendations for having a 64 GB rig specifically for this map), have been reoccuring theme on ED forum since Syria's release to this very day. If Normandy 2 follows the same pattern and Remontti is interested in MP side of DCS, this will be a factor to consider for him. That's a big "if", however, and obviously we won't know until we've got it on our drives.

 

One has to admit, N2 looks quite promising on promo vids and shots, noticeably better than good ol' Normandy 1. And even though it's not going to solve planes-map relative mismatch, any WWII addon is welcomed in DCS.

[Robli]

I think that selling the WWII asset pack separately is a bit odd approach and most probably holding back the popularity of WWII part of DCS. Deka is adding Chinese asset pack for free, RAZBAM is creating Falkland assets for free (some assets will also come with the South Atlantic map), so having this $30 extra cost to do WWII stuff could keep many people away from it. I think they would sell more WWII planes and make more money from there, if the WWII scenery was more easily accessible to people.

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I’ve never had any issues with the Syria map, even on my previous system never mind my newer one.

 

 

 

 

 

In some missions Syria go slower than a slideshow. More like reading a page then flip side. Mostly in dusk and dawn my pc cannot handle it. In daylight everything is fine

[Remontti]

Thanks you all for the info.

 

Do they have sales in DCS shop? Buying map, plane, assets and campaign is a bit pricey. It would be a disappointment if I bought them full price and there was a big discount coming just in few weeks. 

[Hoots]

10 minutes ago, Remontti said:

Thanks you all for the info.

 

Do they have sales in DCS shop? Buying map, plane, assets and campaign is a bit pricey. It would be a disappointment if I bought them full price and there was a big discount coming just in few weeks. 

They do have sales but if memory serves they've only just had one.

[nirvi]

Yeah they have regular sales, easter sale is a safe bet for the next big one. 

 

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Remontti said:

Thanks you all for the info.

 

Do they have sales in DCS shop? Buying map, plane, assets and campaign is a bit pricey. It would be a disappointment if I bought them full price and there was a big discount coming just in few weeks. 

New users get 50% off, so you should pick what you wont, try it for free for 2 weeks, and then buy all you wont with that new user 50% off, sales are usealy no more then 50% off.

And free up 200-250gb of space ?

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/discount/

Edited February 9, 2023 by CountZero

[Lusekofte]

One must have more than one CFS , your bound to be bored with just one

[Boogdud]

16 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

It start #1 engine with no problem but #2 count up to 53 and then whine back again 

never had this before.

It's a bug. It was there on launch, then was fixed, and now it's back again after the last update. They're aware of the issue and hopefully it'll be fixed in the March update. 

[Remontti]

2 hours ago, nirvi said:

Yeah they have regular sales, easter sale is a safe bet for the next big one. 

 

I will wait for that. Since I already have few modules I can't use the new customer discount.

[Gambit21]

7 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

In some missions Syria go slower than a slideshow. More like reading a page then flip side. Mostly in dusk and dawn my pc cannot handle it. In daylight everything is fine

 

I know some PC's can't handle any number of things...my point was that if you have the right system Syria poses no problems.

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

They’re doing stuff with multi-threading and other improvements now, so I imagine performance will get better anyway, right?

[CUJO_1970]

On 2/8/2023 at 12:09 AM, MiGCap said:

Don't forget: There are not only Spitfires and Thunderbolts in DCS WW2!  

 

 

Does the DCS Anton suck as outrageously bad as the "Great Battles" one does?

[DBFlyguy]

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

They’re doing stuff with multi-threading and other improvements now, so I imagine performance will get better anyway, right?

Hopefully so! My performance is fine currently,  but I definitely wouldn't turn away any additional improvements! Hopefully they can finally make multi-threading happen this year

[Art-J]

28 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

Does the DCS Anton suck as outrageously bad as the "Great Battles" one does?

 

Compared to the GB rendition, in DCS:

a) It's max-rated only at standard 1.42 ATA (although can temporarily boost higher when leveling off after balls-out dive, thanks to ram-air effect, before it slows down to normal level speed);

b) it looses speed noticeably faster in both instantaneous and sustained turns and vertical maneuvers (I tested them side-by-side, in loops and horizontal turns, same map conditions and same loadout);

c) before you ask the freakin' dead-horse question again, NO, you cannot remove outer cannons from it and you cannot get the A-9 canopy on it;

d) it doesn't have the MK-108 option.

 

On the flipside, ther are no engine timers and the cooling of both cylinders and oil is so efficient, that you can pretty much fly "pedal to the metal" all the time until your tanks run dry, without consequences.

 

So, to answer your question, one could say it does suck even worse, especially when flying alone, against ever cheating AI. On the other hand, there are youtube vids out there of guys employing it with great success online, thanks to the teamwork, discipline and good tactics, so that's that.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by Art-J

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I know some PC's can't handle any number of things...my point was that if you have the right system Syria poses no problems.

 

 

And my point was unclear. Marianas used to be heavy on my pc but now it is smooth. 
same mission can run smooth one time and totally stop next time just to start again and be fine for the duration. And that is only in Syria map. Got a 3 year old i7 with a 3080 that work smooth with good settings both in DCs and msfs using g2 vr

[dburne]

I personally find the Mariannas to be the biggest hit on performance. Syria not too bad on my end, at least not as bad as Mariannas.

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, dburne said:

I personally find the Mariannas to be the biggest hit on performance. Syria not too bad on my end, at least not as bad as Mariannas.

Have you flown it after latest patch? 
I was in the middle of a Huey campaign called paradise lost. After patch I could crank up the settings pretty much. It been as smooth as the rest 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I must admit, Flight Sim has been the primary driver of my computer upgrade cycle forever, now down to about 3 years, maybe 4.  Don’t bitch and tell me I’m wrong, because if you weren’t the same, you wouldn’t be reading this thread in the first place! ?

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

I must admit, Flight Sim has been the primary driver of my computer upgrade cycle forever, now down to about 3 years, maybe 4.  Don’t bitch and tell me I’m wrong, because if you weren’t the same, you wouldn’t be reading this thread in the first place! ?

I’m on a 5 year cycle - would be shorter but you know…wife.

Also she thinks it’s driven by work stuff (3D etc)

 

 

[nirvi]

16 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

Does the DCS Anton suck as outrageously bad as the "Great Battles" one does?

I'm flying the Anton exclusively for over two years now in multiplayer. When fyling alone, you have to fly extremely disciplined, stay fast, avoid every turnfight, and only boom&zoom. Then use clouds to hide and run home. 

 

When flying with a wingman, you can be absolutely deadly. 

Just never get into a fair fight, you will die most of the time. 

 

I have lots of videos flying the Anton in multiplayer in my playlist:

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by nirvi

[Tempus]

 

3 hours ago, nirvi said:

I'm flying the Anton exclusively for over two years now in multiplayer. When fyling alone, you have to fly extremely disciplined, stay fast, avoid every turnfight, and only boom&zoom. Then use clouds to hide and run home. 

 

A flying alone example:

 

 

3 hours ago, nirvi said:

When flying with a wingman, you can be absolutely deadly. 

Just never get into a fair fight, you will die most of the time. 

 

A two very "disciplined" and "deadly" Anton "rote" example: 

 

 

In general terms the short answer to define DCS FW190-A8 is: YES it sucks even more than the GB one version talking in strictly fighting terms. It's a flying brick only loved by her diehard fanboy club mem(e)bers. 

A long answer: it depends in which Open Beta update you're playing it. DCS WW2 updates are like playing roulette in the Caesar's Palace: Go there full of cash and... what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.  

[dburne]

8 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I’m on a 5 year cycle - would be shorter but you know…wife.

Also she thinks it’s driven by work stuff (3D etc)

 

 

 

I am leaning toward a 5 year this go around myself, except I did get a new 4090 GPU not long ago. Jan 2024 will mark 5 years for me on motherboard and cpu, will likely upgrade them in Jan. Currently running an i9 9900k at 5.1 GHz on all 8 cores.  

[ZachariasX]

Man, I just hit 5 years on mine... ?

[Hoots]

Just now, ZachariasX said:

Man, I just hit 5 years on mine... ?

 

Quick! Spend loads of money!

[DBFlyguy]

 

 

 

I had no idea Grumman, Honeywell and Westinghouse worked with China on a fighter aircraft....

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40396/the-u-s-once-helped-china-develop-a-modern-jet-fighter

 

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by DBFlyguy

[Trooper117]

Interesting stuff...

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Trooper117

[Guest deleted@83466]

If Deka Ironworks does as good a job on the J-8 as they did on the JF-17, it’ll be a very well-done plane in DCS.  That said, probably not the top of most western peoples’ wishlists.  Most people reading this thread could list of all the Cold War MiGs in the world, and their western names, but those planes made by Shenyang and Chengdu, I guess that’s why they invented Wikipedia.

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

If Deka Ironworks does as good a job on the J-8 as they did on the JF-17, it’ll be a very well-done plane in DCS.  That said, probably not the top of most western peoples’ wishlists.  Most people reading this thread could list of all the Cold War MiGs in the world, and their western names, but those planes made by Shenyang and Chengdu, I guess that’s why they invented Wikipedia.

JF-17 got a glass pit and too slick for me. Same goes for F 16 and Hornet. But those I got some kind of connection and read about. I cannot say the same about AH 64. But Chinook are going to have similar nav and com system. 
I am finished learning the pilot seat and systems there after 14 days with countless hours repeating. And I had to wash my eyes with soap to get that pit off eyesight. 
I might if I had time buy an old gen. 
I just have to admit to myself I never going to be a good system operator in an airplane or chopper. And KA 50 has shown me I do not have the patience for tactics required for that sort of stuff. Hind and Huey is more my thing point the nose towards it. Blow it up or die. And actually require some sort of skill to fly properly. 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Lusekofte

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

Man, I just hit 5 years on mine... ?

Copy, you cleared hot!

[Lusekofte]

Last pc I had lasted 10 years. It had two 480 ti then 680 and then 980 a year after 1080ti came out I bought mine new rig and kept that until I got a 3080 5 month ago 

I intend to use this as long as DCs goes as smooth as it does. Then consider if it’s worth going on. 

[DBFlyguy]

Very cool little update coming to Gambit's MOST FAVORITE fighter ?

 

 

Very cool they are still doing new stuff with the M2K...I still need to learn this jet (among a pile of others....)

Edited February 10, 2023 by DBFlyguy

[Lusekofte]

I might buy the f1 and not fly it. It seems like a good idea

Edited February 10, 2023 by Lusekofte

[Guest deleted@83466]

Lusekofte, I have full confidence that some day, you will make a good C-130 pilot, flying a track in MP and refueling strike fighters.

[Jaws2002]

11 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

 

 

 

I had no idea Grumman, Honeywell and Westinghouse worked with China on a fighter aircraft....

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40396/the-u-s-once-helped-china-develop-a-modern-jet-fighter

 

 

Modern China is an American product. Henry Kissinger is the father of modern China. Back in the late sixties/early seventies, the Americans were surprised by the Russo Chinese border war, so they decided to build up a modern China, and push it against Russia. 

 That's why, despite China being pretty much the most fanatic communist country back then, so much technology was sent their way and got such a preferential trade treatment back then. 

   Anyway, J-8II is quite an interesting and sexy interceptor. I hope Deka Ironworks makes a J-10B/C at some point. That's a sexy machine.

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I might buy the f1 and not fly it. It seems like a good idea

The new version, just released two weeks ago is quite nice. Much better missiles, a working gunsight and TACAN make quite a difference.

Edited February 11, 2023 by Jaws2002

[Guest deleted@83466]

There were only two of those planes made though, basically prototypes, so it’s not the world’s most sought after plane in flight sim.  But it doesn’t matter, because it’s a very indie third party, so power to that studio.

[MiGCap]

Another module I will bypass ... 

[ROCKET_KNUT]

11 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Interesting stuff...

...that MiG-17 is... ?