DCS

[Lusekofte]

MEH, MI 8 forever, it just rock

[Jaws2002]

WoW!  another 70 gigs....?

[Gambit21]

4 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

MEH, MI 8 forever, it just rock

 

Funny...I call it the "Meh I8" too. 

Nah I'm sure it's fun for a Russian helo.

 

 

 

This is what we need...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...when it happens (and it will) I will "GET TO THE CHOPPAHHG!!!"

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

I would be more thriller getting the Cobra instead of Apache.

Ì would do like I do MI 8 and Hind

Huey for transport, Cobra for rest.

I rather learn A 10 than Apache. It simply do not appeal. 

[Lusekofte]

Hmm Mirage fascinating me

[Gambit21]

Der Twatwagen 1.0 on the loose with LuseKofte!

 

I'm playing around with placing SAM site etc for the campaign...first time messing with this.

SA-2's are surprisingly deadly (watching them engage AI)

[dburne]

It appears Altitude Hold Mode for the Apache is coming probably in the next update. I am looking forward to having it, this combined with the already working Attitude Hold Mode should really help in maintaining a nice steady hover. Also more plans for the Apache discussed in the vid.

 

 

[Hoots]

10 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Der Twatwagen 1.0 on the loose with LuseKofte!

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by Hoots
Tried to insert a gif, didn’t work. Imagine a gif with bogart (I think) saying “get out” and pointing.

[Bremspropeller]

The Twatwagen (TM) 2.0 is getting an engine-overhaul.

 

 

[DD_fruitbat]

2 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The Twatwagen (TM) 2.0 is getting an engine-overhaul.

 

 

 

I'm getting more and more tempted by the Twatwagen (tm). Quite an impressive list of changes and updates planned.

 

Also, here's a quick vid of there new map I made last weekend, but I forgot about! 

 

 

It was also an exercise in seeing how long a 2 bag viper's fuel lasts, afterburner pinned. Answer, not long!!!!

Edited June 19, 2022 by DD_fruitbat

[Gambit21]

What most of my DCS time looks like.

 

Building the primary mission template, establishing where "bad guy land" is etc, getting SAM/AAA sites established with smart activation/deactivation.

 

SA-2's are quite deadly, so I have to engineer a way to reduce their efficacy. I've been talking with a few of the other Devs and I have a few ideas to try. One is shutting of the emissions of the (Fan Song in this case) radar when the missile is within a certain range of the AI aircraft. At least AI that I need to live through the mission.

 

 

 

 

Early days on this.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Gambit21

[Lusekofte]

On 6/18/2022 at 2:09 AM, dburne said:

It appears Altitude Hold Mode for the Apache is coming probably in the next update. I am looking forward to having it, this combined with the already working Attitude Hold Mode should really help in maintaining a nice steady hover. Also more plans for the Apache discussed in the vid.

 

 

So you mean it is going to be less of a chopper?

I myself are editing old campaigns for the Mi8 and convert them to Hind. Clean transport missions will still be Mi8 

 

[dburne]

1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

So you mean it is going to be less of a chopper?

 

 

 

Considering the Apache is modeled after the real AH-64D I seriously doubt it. That thing is a handful as it is especially in a hover and needs all the assistance it can get lol. The real thing has both altitude and attitude hold modes. Attitude Hold works really well, really looking forward to Altitude Hold now as well. Should be in next DCS update. I am doing pretty good now slowing into a hover, which can be quite the challenge, using attitude hold, will be nice to have the altitude hold assistance as well. 

 

My Virpil Collective will be here this week - going to be interesting to see how hard it is to get acclimated to using it rather than one of my throttle axis for collective.

Edited June 20, 2022 by dburne

[Gambit21]

15 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

 That thing is a handful as it is especially in a hover and needs all the assistance it can get lol.

 

lol...you clearly need a point of reference.

Fly the Huey.

[dburne]

15 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

lol...you clearly need a point of reference.

Fly the Huey.

 

Lol heck no not after I am finally taming this thing. Only one module for learning at a time for me! My brain is too old and damaged to handle more than that at a time.

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by dburne

[Gambit21]

29 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Lol heck no not after I am finally taming this thing.

 

 

lol - I'm glad you're taming the Apache. Good on ya.

Looks like a ton of fun, especially for multi-crew.

[dburne]

5 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

lol - I'm glad you're taming the Apache. Good on ya.

Looks like a ton of fun, especially for multi-crew.

 

Yeah I am only a SP guy so letting George AI handle most of the weapons duties, I just choose target for him and let him fire those hell-fires off. For gun and rocket runs I have been handling those from the Pilot seat. Bore-sighting with auto tracking for the guns is great fun with the IHADDS , look at targets and squeeze the trigger. 

[DD_fruitbat]

I love this plane 

 

 

And what's better than one sexy plane, two!

 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by DD_fruitbat

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

lol...you clearly need a point of reference.

Fly the Huey.

Huey is a blast compared to Mi8

I did my first flight flight in ah 64 in msrianas quick missions perfect takeoff and  landed on two static cruiser on Harbor and 4 different on move with almost no space for it.

I am in no way saying it is unrealistic.

But the older choppers got a more environmental physics feel to them.

The automation make the AH 64 and 60 for that matter feel like you fly in a vacuum. I now make 60 + missions in a mi 8 and Hind without incidents caused by myself. I start fuc*** up in pitch black out at sea landing on cruisers 

And that tells me, even DCS with its very good chopper physics is dead environment in regard of atmosphere.

 

[Gambit21]

5 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

 

But the older choppers got a more environmental physics feel to them.

 

 

 

I think that applies to aircraft across the board. The Viper, (EVEN THOUGH I LOVE IT KEV!!) is sterile in feel compared to the Tomcat. So is the Hornet, the Mirage etc.

I'm expecting the F-4 to yield the same, if not more of that 'visceral', vibrating, rattling, less refined feel I get with the F-14, and will have with the A-6 etc.

 

That said I think the Huey could have/should have more of this, but it's not a HB module, and it's from an older standard as well.

[Lusekofte]

Well I changed some 7 missions in spring tension campaign to Hind. One was collecting a platoon.

First ever extraction I done so far with it.

I love the mix Mi8 and Hind.

Tried to do the same with Border campaign. It is plagued with too heavy loads on many missions aswell.

But you cannot change these missions and save them. I looked at the files they are not locked. 

Do anyone know how to remove the lock that is apparently there.

I am not doing this for distribution, just for myself. I get why they protect their property

 

Edited June 21, 2022 by LuseKofte

[dburne]

Yay my new Virpil Collective and Grip are out for delivery today. Anxious to see how easy or hard it is for me to get acclimated to using it rather than a throttle for the collective.

[Lusekofte]

5 hours ago, dburne said:

Yay my new Virpil Collective and Grip are out for delivery today. Anxious to see how easy or hard it is for me to get acclimated to using it rather than a throttle for the collective.

Throttle us a bad idea. Much better to use the flap handle on your throttle.

[Dallas88B]

On the AH 64D I was using the left throttle on the CM3 as the throttle and the CM3's right throttle as the collective.
Keyboard binds used to assist the start of the two separate engines to idle and later to shut them down separately. Left throttle for both engines from idle to run.

Seemed to work OK. I didn't try using flaps lever as collective, I leapt to the conclusion that it wouldn't provide good control given the little amount of movement it offers.

But using the flaps lever would mean that both left and right throttles are free to do their proper job and negate the need for keyboard binds to idle... so might give that a go and see.

Obviously a separate collective would be best I guess. 

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by Dallas88B
fixed typo

[dburne]

8 hours ago, Dallas88B said:

On the AH 64D I was using the left throttle on the CM3 as the throttle and the CM3's right throttle as the collective.
Keyboard binds used to assist the start of the two separate engines to idle and later to shut them down separately. Left throttle for both engines from idle to run.

Seemed to work OK. I didn't try using flaps lever as collective, I leapt to the conclusion that it wouldn't provide good control given the little amount of movement it offers.

But using the flaps lever would mean that both left and right throttles are free to do their proper job and negate the need for keyboard binds to idle... so might give that a go and see.

Obviously a separate collective would be best I guess. 

 

 

I was using the CM3 Throttle axis in the same manner.

[DD_Fenrir]

[dburne]

21 hours ago, Dallas88B said:

On the AH 64D I was using the left throttle on the CM3 as the throttle and the CM3's right throttle as the collective.
Keyboard binds used to assist the start of the two separate engines to idle and later to shut them down separately. Left throttle for both engines from idle to run.

Seemed to work OK. I didn't try using flaps lever as collective, I leapt to the conclusion that it wouldn't provide good control given the little amount of movement it offers.

But using the flaps lever would mean that both left and right throttles are free to do their proper job and negate the need for keyboard binds to idle... so might give that a go and see.

Obviously a separate collective would be best I guess. 

 

 

Posted the below on the Virpil forums after using the the new Virpil Collective for a day:

 

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Well I will tell you my early impressions are not that great. I am somewhat disappointed at this time, but it is still early. Virpil states to adjust those two friction screws - one on top and one on bottom, an equal amount for both. I find it does not take much at all and should make very small adjustments. I have not been able to find one I am satisfied with so far in my adjusting. The force required to raise the collective is easily 2x or more the force to lower the collective. And that prevents me when raising the collective to do so in small increments, which is not good like in the Apache. I tried loosening slightly, but find that just resting my hand on the grip which I would always do obviously oftentimes leads to rapid descents so I have to pay careful attention to that. And no way can I make fine adjustments when increasing collective.

 

Maybe I will feel better after using it a few days and adjusting, but not sure at this point I can get it any better than it is now. So yeah unless things improve with it over the next few days I will likely go back to using my Virpil CM3 Throttle as collective also. At least with it I can easily make those fine adjustments when increasing the collective. I will say the Monster Tech Mount for my AK Racing chair worked beautifully with the Collective, and make attached and removing from my chair easy peasy. Just loosen two bolts slightly and slide it right off the mounting plate and put away.

The Collective is nice for immersion in controlling a helicopter, but so far with mine I feel like I am getting one heck of a workout just trying to use the thing. Not fun.

 

 

[Dallas88B]

2 hours ago, dburne said:

I have not been able to find one I am satisfied with so far in my adjusting. The force required to raise the collective is easily 2x or more the force to lower the collective. And that prevents me when raising the collective to do so in small increments

 

Well that's really not good. Such a shame I know you were really looking forward to the collective. I would do the counter balance mod described on the DCS forum by SunDevilPilot (Page three of the post "Virpil collective base plus - had to increase friction after 2 weeks use") - the components can be purchased online and it would stop the problems your experiencing and any chance of sag too.                          

[Lusekofte]

I have tightened mine once.

Please note that Virpil do not have the best collective available. Maxflightstick is far better using hydronic dampers, I would still use it if it did not take the space I do not have.

But I am not quite sure about your expectations. If you look at pilots in real life they hold the stick with fingers and collective with firm fist grip. 

I have no problem using the collective.

You should not need using it all the time.

Helicopters use glidepath just like planes collective shall be set for needed not like the stick that needs constant adjustments.

I play around with overloaded Hind and Mi8 on how to stop it fast and decent with no issues, you do not need to over control collective if done right

[dburne]

The problem with the Virpil collective is there is no independent adjustment of the increase and decrease of the collective. So I get the collective adjusted to where it feels good for my use in the decrease, but that leaves it too firm for the increase causing issue making minor adjustments. I have been working with it most of the day today and will resume tomorrow. I have it a little better than it was but certainly not where I would like it to be - and that may well never happen.

 

I just think with hardware in this price range it should be a little better than what I am seeing. Love my Virpil CM3 Throttle no doubt, and not a single complaint on it. I want a nice smooth action in the increase and decrease of the collective, and that it something I don't think it can do.

Edited June 23, 2022 by dburne

[DD_fruitbat]

Brems flying the twatwagon (tm)?

 

 

On our way back home.

[Bremspropeller]

It looks way more stable than it felt ?

 

 

[dburne]

Okay getting ready for another day's session with the Apache and my new Virpil Collective. Still tweaking the force adjustments for the Collective to get it closer to my liking, I am getting there though and hopefully today will be the last day for that and I can then just enjoy flying the Apache. I have to find a fine balance between being able to rest my hand on the collective grip without it dropping, and it not being to hard to raise the collective.  I so love the Monster Tech Mount for my AK Racing gaming chair - makes attaching and detaching the collective so quick and easy. I can remove the collective and mount my CM3 Throttle for the Hornet in less than 5 minutes no problem. That is nice.

 

Btw the new Altitude Hold when combined with the AT Hold makes hovering in the Apache a breeze now. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by dburne

[Tyberan]

Oh good, trimming the Apache was a nightmare for me so much so that I went back to the hind which i like immensely. 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Tyberan

[Monostripezebra]

The research with the hip worked out.. it is actually possible to tow planes with the frontgear leg..

 

 

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Tyberan said:

Oh good, trimming the Apache was a nightmare for me so much so that I went back to the hind which i like immensely. 

 

 

 

Well you still need to get it trimmed to a hover with less than 5 knots deviation , then engage ATT hold and let it stabilize, then ALT Hold and your golden. I still find it way better though.

[Gambit21]

A little road recce on the mainland. This will be a great little valley to do some CAS or interdiction in later.

You have to pick your spots right now, but they do exist.... things will get better and better.

 

Oh and this thing is deadly.

We need a Vietnam era SA-2. 

 

[Hoss]

Totally different technology between that era Soviet SAM's and today's SAM's.. When these launched and dropped the booster it uncovered an antenna, which the Target Tracking RADAR uses to guide the missile to target. So when it launches the DECM looks for the guiding RADAR's guidance pulses to start moving in the received pulse train. Then the RWR will go from MA to ML and your Deception Repeater will start transmitting deception pulses. Flying telephone poles...

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Hoss said:

Totally different technology between that era Soviet SAM's and today's SAM's.. When these launched and dropped the booster it uncovered an antenna, which the Target Tracking RADAR uses to guide the missile to target. So when it launches the DECM looks for the guiding RADAR's guidance pulses to start moving in the received pulse train. Then the RWR will go from MA to ML and your Deception Repeater will start transmitting deception pulses. Flying telephone poles...

 

Thanks

So those are SA-2's, but my understanding (I know nothing) is that this variant (755) is more capable than the Vietnam era SA-2 used in North Vietnam...which is what I'm trying to duplicate. (meaning the period/missile efficacy, no the region)

 

I just realized that I can change the skill of the missiles themselves (rather than just the radar) right now they're set to "high"

I'll set to "average" and see what happens. 

[Hoss]

Cool, I'm just not flying the jets in DCS (except the F-86/Mig-15) so I won't see any of your missions.  Just too much technology to enjoy the flying experience, I've been around this crap since 1977... do some Warbird missions... Now, I may fly the A-7 when it comes out, my SLUF is hard to beat... LOL. I will definitely get the Operation Preying Mantis Mission when the A-6, A-7 are on the street. Some guy says he's going to make the mission.  I was in VA-94 on the Enterprise April 18, 1988 when that happened. Largest Naval engagement since WWII.. was nice to see some payback for the Hostage Crisis in Tehran, the Iraq, Iran War, the mining of the USS Roberts, the ramming of the USS Ranger, and the USS Constellation during the hostage crisis.. I was on the Connie when it was rammed in 81 I think.  They (Ranger) were coming to relieve us on GONZO station.  It was 0100 when we were hit............ during an UNREP to boot.. called Emergency Breakaway, I felt the boat rock, I heard report all casualties to the bridge, and then General Quarters sounded and it was NOT A DRILL............. thank god my shop was just one deck up from berthing... Both tankers were Liberian flagged ships.  The Ranger limped to Yokuska and had cement poured in the damaged spaces on the bow so they could go home.  The Midway had to come relieve us on station

 

Gonzo Station was an acronym for "Gulf of Oman Naval Zone of Operations" or "Gulf of Oman Northern Zone." It was used to designate an area of carrier-based naval operations by the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps in the Indian Ocean during the 1979-1981 Iranian Hostage Crisis and the "Tanker War" between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran. We reflagged Kuwait's tankers to US to protect and retaliate if attacked. Then the USS Roberts hit the mine in the Gulf.......

Edited June 25, 2022 by Hoss