DCS

[JG5_Zesphr]

In offline missions, all fighters will not dogfight it as it is probably treated as "ground attack" same as the F-5 and you can't close in on them to use your sidewinders. Or throw bricks at them. With the Harrier, you're even slower then the F-5 for carrying the same puny weaponry.

 

But I guess it will be a lot of fun parking it in the driveway of your favourite Vegas hotels. That's one way of pissing of all those stretch-limo drivers... Looking forward to it.

... But the Harrier has a higher load out with a lot more diverse ordinance and both a targeting and jammer pod. It'll be a good strike aircraft for anti SAMs and an overall support 

[JG4_Sputnik]

I'm looking forward to where the platform is at 10+ years from now (really hoping for a lot more expansion/investment in WWII although the majority of DCS' community seems against this) but there is nothing worthwhile to keep me going.

 

I own:

MiG15-bis

F-86

F5-E

A10 C

Bf 109 K-4

Fw 190 D

P51

 

And out of all of these nicely built models, I can't find a damned thing worth doing that holds my attention.

 

 

 

I'd suggest you to buy the "Museum Relic" campaign for the F-86. Seldomly I had flown such a great campaign! Very well done, dozens of custom voice overs and detailed flight plans and such. 

A steal for the price of 10 bucks.

[BeastyBaiter]

The harrier we are getting is a ground attack model. It has modern targeting pods and night vision equipment. It does no have radar or any significant air to air capability.

[ZachariasX]

... But the Harrier has a higher load out with a lot more diverse ordinance and both a targeting and jammer pod. It'll be a good strike aircraft for anti SAMs and an overall support 

And sho I am waiting to get that one as well. It will be fun, even though I don't care so much for strike aircraft (I didn't get the Viggen, even though it looks pretty).

 

But if the overall AI behaviour of the DCS planes was improved, it would help a lot. For all modules.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I'd suggest you to buy the "Museum Relic" campaign for the F-86. Seldomly I had flown such a great campaign! Very well done, dozens of custom voice overs and detailed flight plans and such. 

A steal for the price of 10 bucks.

 

I've looked at it but without a theater-appropriate map or period-appropriate assets it isn't worth much to me.

 

I couldn't care less about clickpits. Janky FMs/DMs and a lack of an appropriate environments/assets have disappointed me with my choice in investing in ED's modules.

 

EDIT: I appreciate the suggestion, though. I know it was given with good intent.

Edited March 15, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[Lusekofte]

I like the MI 8 best, I operativ that one blind together with all the other choppers except the Weapons in Gazelle. I hate online flying since it is suicidale flying what I like online.

Much the same feeling I got in box. I bought all modules except the jet trainers, I learned the A10 and Viggen a little bit. I probably will work more with my viggen skills, I have no time to go into a squad in dcs so I probably never will spend time online in it. I think my online life pretty much is over. It simply ain't my cup of tea.

Edited March 15, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Danziger]

I've been eyeballing the Mi-8 for a long time. I think it would make for some fun civil flying in Caucasus or Nevada. Just doing cargo and transport type stuff.

[Brano]

Mi-8 is great module.It gave me headakes just to learn how to start the engines 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I've looked at it but without a theater-appropriate map or period-appropriate assets it isn't worth much to me.

 

I couldn't care less about clickpits. Janky FMs/DMs and a lack of an appropriate environments/assets have disappointed me with my choice in investing in ED's modules.

 

EDIT: I appreciate the suggestion, though. I know it was given with good intent.

 

Thats how feel, it kills me that with all the amazing stuff they've done we still can't have proper fleshed out theatres.

 

I would give my right arm for a good Vietnam mission with all aircraft or 70s/80s theatres. 

Edited March 16, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Emil

[Apache600]

 

 

I've looked at it but without a theater-appropriate map or period-appropriate assets it isn't worth much to me.

 

 

That's a shame, it has been getting some good reviews by folks who were skeptical as well:  https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=180220

 

My argument is that why should one worry so much about period-appropriate units?   For realism?    We are all sitting behind a mouse and keyboard flying a digital aircraft through a monitor, in a make believe digital world after all.   So is the concept that really far-fetched when you put it in those terms?  haha.

 

And yeah, of course I'm going to promote the campaign ... after all, I made it

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

 

 

That's a shame, it has been getting some good reviews by folks who were skeptical as well:  https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=180220

 

My argument is that why should one worry so much about period-appropriate units?   For realism?    We are all sitting behind a mouse and keyboard flying a digital aircraft through a monitor, in a make believe digital world after all.   So is the concept that really far-fetched when you put it in those terms?  haha.

 

And yeah, of course I'm going to promote the campaign ... after all, I made it

 

 

Ah yes, since I'm flying a virtual aircraft on a computer screen any other notion of immersion or the perception of realism should go out the window.

 

With that being said, when can I fly the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile with the USS Intrepid flight model? And will I be able to drop fusion bombs on Zetan motherships?

 

Yes, it comes down to the fact that I don't get any joy from a simulator that can't immerse me in a convincing world.

 

And so you are aware, I'm not knocking your campaign... You very clearly worked within the limits of what was available to you... No shame in that... But that doesn't mean its for me.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[Urra]

Ah yes, since I'm flying a virtual aircraft on a computer screen any other notion of immersion or the perception of realism should go out the window.

 

With that being said, when can I fly the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile with the USS Intrepid flight model? And will I be able to drop fusion bombs on Zetan motherships?

 

Yes, it comes down to the fact that I don't get any joy from a simulator that can't immerse me in a convincing world.

 

And so you are aware, I'm not knocking your campaign... You very clearly worked within the limits of what was available to you... No shame in that... But that doesn't mean its for me.

Same here unfortunately, I own most of dcs. Chasing He111, with an F15 is not my cup of tea. Or having the He111 blown up by a ground based missle battery. That being said the wienermobile always used to pull up next to me at the gas station. That is one mean aerodynamic machine. Edited March 16, 2017 by TunaEatsLion

[AndyJWest]

Mi-8 is great module.It gave me headakes just to learn how to start the engines 

 

Yup. Definitely need the manual on a second screen when flying the beast. There is an English-language cockpit mod, which helps a bit, but even with that you can see why the real thing has a three-man crew. 

[Gambit21]

 

 

That's a shame, it has been getting some good reviews by folks who were skeptical as well: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=180220

 

My argument is that why should one worry so much about period-appropriate units? For realism? We are all sitting behind a mouse and keyboard flying a digital aircraft through a monitor,

You're right!

Give us a 3D model of a guy sitting at a desktop PC with guns mounted on the back of the monitor and lets just replace every aircraft with that model.

 

Simple! What were we thinking with all this realism and immersion stuff.

[Apache600]

 

 

My argument is that why should one ...

I'm  just voicing my opinion here.  Of course there are limits.  (Hence, I don't play Call of Duty .... which is basically Mario Bros. with guns,   can't stand all the jumping people do in that.  lol)  But I must ask, if you knew you had these reservations ... why did you buy the MiG-15 and F-86 in the first place, or any of the WWII platforms?      

I appreciate your remark, and didn't once think you as belittling my campaign.  It was rather difficult to pull off a fun and challenging campaign without making the first generation jet just a sitting duck against the units that are available.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I'm  just voicing my opinion here.  Of course there are limits.  (Hence, I don't play Call of Duty .... which is basically Mario Bros. with guns,   can't stand all the jumping people do in that.  lol)  But I must ask, if you knew you had these reservations ... why did you buy the MiG-15 and F-86 in the first place, or any of the WWII platforms?      

I appreciate your remark, and didn't once think you as belittling my campaign.  It was rather difficult to pull off a fun and challenging campaign without making the first generation jet just a sitting duck against the units that are available.

 

They/we do it to support flight sims.

 

We can but hope one day DCS will produce some of the stuff they are more than capable of.

[Lusekofte]

My argument is that why should one worry so much about period-appropriate units?

 

 

Because as long as it is not their baby this is their argument, not one of these protested when they got a JU 87 G1 in the Stalingrad front, witch is far more out of time than the Dora.

They rather fly 79 against 1 in favour for blue , than admit that CFS is not a accurate simulator where some concerns to gameplay have to be made. 

They overlook the fact that this is implemented anyway. In all CFS. 

But the most wasted money I ever spent is the WW2 modules in DCS, in terms of usage. I have absolutely no interest in them, I put them on the side of the F 15 and upcoming F 14. My enthusiasm would be 100% more if we got some kind of devoted ground pounder

Edited March 16, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Feathered_IV]

Period authenticity is very important. Vital I would say.

 

I suspect things like the Ju-87 G1 didn't raise too many problems here as people knew intuitively that such an aircraft would soon come into its own in later expansions. With DCS authentic period maps or matching WW2 aircraft aren't even on the horizon. It frustrates.

[Dakpilot]

Not sure the Ju-87 (G1) is a very good analogy, the Ju-87-D3 was very common and period correct, the 37mm cannon were very common and in use, the (to become G1) 'field mod' was combat tested at the time of BoS and I have read many different accounts of them being used/confronted in the defence of Stalingrad region during operation Saturn in the Northern sector (how true or accurate these accounts are, are hard to verify, (not even sure I remember the books/articles) but they exist) The dedicated 'Tank busting' Ju-87 only got it's official "G-1' designation later, being identical to a D-3 with cannons under the wings.

 

It is only a single armament option amongst 10 aircraft and many armament options, compared to Dora's over Normandy it really is not the same..even the Yak -1b was present in few numbers at end of BoS but the series we have available is a later series with minor differences and thus is not available in BoS campaign as flyable or AI. (but will be in BoK)

 

I applaud any campaigns made using what is available and within restrictions from game Dev's, but I also can understand people's choices/preferences with regards historical and period accuracy, even having incorrect historical unit marking can be enough to jar immersion if you are knowledgeable of, and have an interest in that aspect

 

Dora's and late model 109's over a seemingly painstakingly period correct Normandy, when those are the ONLY Luft A/C is a bit more of a deal breaker, however the more content/campaigns the better for all sims, one has a choice to use them or not depending on personal preference with the serious sticklers for 'correctness' always being a much smaller minority

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited March 17, 2017 by Dakpilot

[Brano]

Yup. Definitely need the manual on a second screen when flying the beast. There is an English-language cockpit mod, which helps a bit, but even with that you can see why the real thing has a three-man crew.

I dont need english translation.I can read russian well enough. The problem is the overall complexity of these modules which makes me feel like having a second job. I allready have real life job and if I wanted such a realism level I'd probably try to become a real life Mi-8 pilot. After messing the update from 1.2 smtg to 1.5smtg version of DCS I just uninsatalled it and didnt come back. I prefer BoX approach of being the game with just enough complexity to not call it arcade.

At the end its a matter of individual preferences and doing what gives you satisfaction. Thats why I fly in space in Elite Dangerous almost exclusively

[Dakpilot]

I dont need english translation.I can read russian well enough. The problem is the overall complexity of these modules which makes me feel like having a second job. I allready have real life job and if I wanted such a realism level I'd probably try to become a real life Mi-8 pilot. After messing the update from 1.2 smtg to 1.5smtg version of DCS I just uninsatalled it and didnt come back. I prefer BoX approach of being the game with just enough complexity to not call it arcade.

At the end its a matter of individual preferences and doing what gives you satisfaction. Thats why I fly in space in Elite Dangerous almost exclusively

 

I flew an Mi-8 as a job for a while, it is a 3 crew aircraft, designed that way, and flown that way, It is/would/may   be possible to operate single pilot in an extreme situation but this was not how it was intended to operate, ever...

 

the way multi crew aircraft are handled in all sims is not good IMO or realistic, unless something like an IL-2 with purely an AI (with accepted limitations) gunner

 

CRM in aircraft is something today that a lot thought is given to, yet in sims little thought is given to this principle, which has been around for many years, ideally multi crew aircraft in sims need an actual RL multi crew, (which, I think would be great fun - although probably even more 'niche') or other crew members duties properly simulated, not a dig at DCS but all sims in a general sense in this respect

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Lusekofte]

Personally I think what plane flew that month and 4 month later has no relevance as long as they can put up a fight. Witch they can 50% in todays setup. All agree this is not optimal, but one make due with what one get. 

I believed I would be interested in DCS WW2 and reinstalled it because of it, turns out I was wrong, I am far more interested in advanced modern ground pounding. IT is those damn modern 109 (F 15) that are a bloody nuisance 

[Gambit21]

I flew an Mi-8 as a job for a while, it is a 3 crew aircraft, designed that way, and flown that way, It is/would/may   be possible to operate single pilot in an extreme situation but this was not how it was intended to operate, ever...

 

the way multi crew aircraft are handled in all sims is not good IMO or realistic, unless something like an IL-2 with purely an AI (with accepted limitations) gunner

 

CRM in aircraft is something today that a lot thought is given to, yet in sims little thought is given to this principle, which has been around for many years, ideally multi crew aircraft in sims need an actual RL multi crew, (which, I think would be great fun - although probably even more 'niche') or other crew members duties properly simulated, not a dig at DCS but all sims in a general sense in this respect

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Yeah I have no desire to fly a multi-crew aircraft and take on the duties of each crew member - especially if I'm trying to have fun.

So much for realism.

[BeastyBaiter]

The Mi-8 isn't as bad as you make it out to be tbh. I have everything needed in flight mapped to my X-55 and over half the buttons are unassigned cause I ran out of useful things to map to it. It's only the cold start that is complicated. I normally hop in the middle seat for that as it allows me to reach everything without being a TIR contortionist. A few people have asked for MP muliticrew in it like we have in BoS though, so I'm curious, what do you think the second/third person would do (besides man door gunner positions)?

[Brano]

Dont get me wrong. Its great module as it is. Its just not for me to call it fun after real life job. If I was payed to fly virtual Mi-8,that would be great

[Lusekofte]

I flew an Mi-8 as a job for a while, it is a 3 crew aircraft,

 

Damn interesting, my favourite of all times is this chopper, it just fascinate me this flying bus. I fly this 90 % of the time in DCS

 

 

 

ideally multi crew aircraft in sims need an actual RL multi crew, (which, I think would be great fun -

 

Agreed I would be all over a multi crew experience, this is the kind of flight simmer I am. Simulate a realistic mission.

 

 

 

Yeah I have no desire to fly a multi-crew aircraft and take on the duties of each crew member - especially if I'm trying to have fun. So much for realism.

 

Yeah, that is why CFS is appealing to you, right to the point and action flying. Nothing wrong with that , or combined between the two. Personally I have migrated to simulation itself and walked away from the shooting part. Whatever rocks your boat, it is all about fun

Edited March 18, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Veteran66]

Normandy Livestream:

 

[Guest deleted@30725]

Normandy Livestream:

 

 

Damn it, I hate this game so much. It looks so awesome, the clickable pits are cool, but for me the price is not worth it and I know I would fly around for a day or two, put it down and never play it again with a good amount of money tied up in it that I could buy a load of awesome games for or other real stuff, like some awesome food at a restaurant, a decent hotel somewhere or any number of other things.

 

Every update is like a dev diary for a future complete game, like buying doom and having to buy a new map or gun each month to get the full game.

 

The best thing I got from DCS was finding out about flying legends air show and seeing loads of ww2 planes flying.

 

I may be tempted if it was $60 and you got a clickable spitfire and comparable 109 with the map and a campaign or good online mode.

Edited March 18, 2017 by deleted@30725

[Finkeren]

That map is downright gorgeous 

 

The only thing that gets me is, that for June the ground looks a little too green. I have no idea, how Normandy looks at that time of year, but Denmark definitely isn't that uniformly green when viewed from above.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Map is a marvel, indeed. I also really like all the asset models, they look superbly detailed. One thing that concerns me is the performance, even watching Wags stream it wasn't smooth experience. I hope they will achieve success with optimizing it. 

[Gambit21]

That map is downright gorgeous 

 

The only thing that gets me is, that for June the ground looks a little too green. I have no idea, how Normandy looks at that time of year, but Denmark definitely isn't that uniformly green when viewed from above.

 

Grass, trees etc doesn't look painterly to you?

It does to me.

[Finkeren]

Grass, trees etc doesn't look painterly to you?

It does to me.

 

You're gonna have to define, what you mean by "painterly".

 

Is it, that the colors are too saturated? Yeah, that's a possibility, though I personally think, that BoX is a bit too far in the other direction (though it fits the theme).

[Lusekofte]

That map is downright gorgeous 

 

The only thing that gets me is, that for June the ground looks a little too green. I have no idea, how Normandy looks at that time of year, but Denmark definitely isn't that uniformly green when viewed from above.

 

 

I agree, the map colours look like old COD , cartoonish. Not sure if the colours are wrong, but there is maybe something wrong with light and shadow. It might be they not finished with it though

[Feathered_IV]

It might be they not finished with it though

I see what you did there.

 

It does look very nice however. Maybe in a few years time there will be some correct Luftwaffe aircraft for it too. Hopefully they don't jump straight to an Me-262 or something before then. I'm content to wait though. I've got my eyes on Il-2 Pacific for the foreseeable future!

[Blutaar]

They need to lower prices, whats the point anyway with having such a pricewall when the most copys of the game are just that, copys and not disks with casings and handbooks, man i looked to my Falcon 4.0 box right now laying next to me, what a nice time it was, i miss it.

 

With enough interest from people, achieved through lower prices i can imagine DCS WW2 to be the top dog in the ww2 sim market, they just need more planes and a scenraio first, dont get me wrong BoX is nice but its not that good in the sim part of things yet, its maybe a better game from a players pov but from a simers pov i dont think it is but it would be a good second place if they make a few things better, now BoX is first place because there is nothing else besides just 2 older games where no new content was added, we will see how CloD evolves now but it needs time.

 

Before i forget, its just my opnion, and if BoX makes some, in my opinion, needed changes i will continue buying all the stuff they throw at me and play it regularly even if DCS would make it but i dont think that ED will lower there prices so it will not threaten BoX.

 

Its really sad when i think about it, imagine this genre would be much bigger, which means more money, look how fast other genres evolved, there is big competition in the gaming industry so they push like crazy, we just lack the numbers.

Even if i dont like most of todays games that much but there are great games comming out regularly that i enjoy, its not a problem when there are games that are just bad you dont need to buy them.

 

Maybe Star Citizen can give the sim genre a nice push if its finally released, in 10 years haha but more people would buy a stick and from there its not far to try out planes in atmosphere instead of planes in space.

[BeastyBaiter]

Map is a marvel, indeed. I also really like all the asset models, they look superbly detailed. One thing that concerns me is the performance, even watching Wags stream it wasn't smooth experience. I hope they will achieve success with optimizing it. 

 

Optimization has never been something ED is very good at. Just look at the old Caucuses map around the Senaki to Batumi area. That place has FPS jumps all over. I'll get 100 fps looking at one town, then look at the side of a mountain and get 30 fps for no apparent reason. I know the reason though, they don't use clip mapping and place 500,000 individual trees instead of using one big forest object with textures to make it look like more than just a low poly blob. The end result is all those trees wreck performance and they do it even when not in view! NTTR is a lot better about that, but I couldn't tell you if it's cause they use clip mapping or if it's just cause there aren't all that many trees to start with.

[Finkeren]

Not sure if the colours are wrong, but there is maybe something wrong with light and shadow.

I actually really like the shadows on the ground, they are so crisp and make objects that rise above ground really stand out. This is one area where I definitely think DCS beats BoX graphics-wise.

[Lusekofte]

Yes , you are right. It is not the shadows. I can live with the colours or light as is. But I still think it got a cartoonish look . The landscape, trees and houses is   absolutely gorgeous.

 

Regarding the price wall, I dunno , there is relatively few virtual pilots , ED and third party shall make money. And people pay the price, I am not sure more would buy it if it was cheaper. Because there is a weird distance between the different groups of virtual pilot

Edited March 19, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Silver_Dragon]

I missing put them on that post...Unofficial week update (previous week)

 

About the "period units" aka new AI 3D objects, ED build a great quantity of thems by some years. Check my "unofficial roadmap" on the ED forum

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116893

Edited March 19, 2017 by Silver_Dragon

[Trooper117]

Well, I'm in