DCS

[SharpeXB]

In DCS there is a huge distortion when Zoom is used...

like for instance in this great video of a Bf109K4 vs P51d... starting around 03:00

 

Yes, the default axis setting lets you zoom out too far, to the point where your view gets stretched and distorted.

Try this

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=137271&highlight=Zoom

[Ace_Pilto]

Y u no like clicky Finkeren?

 

It beats memorising a bunch of dumb keyboard button combos. Even if you have HOTAS you still run out of buttons.

 

I just got an email saying my multiplayer thingy is activated, will give it a try.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Yes, the default axis setting lets you zoom out too far, to the point where your view gets stretched and distorted.

Try this

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=137271&highlight=Zoom

 

Whow!  Thx a LOT!!!! Will try it ASAP!

[SharpeXB]

It beats memorising a bunch of dumb keyboard button combos. Even if you have HOTAS you still run out of buttons.

Well I think for full systems planes a click pit is mandatory. However for the WWII planes once you've started them they're used very little. Or at least I don't use them. Everything's on the hotas. It's actually harder to click on something with a mouse when IRL you can just feel where the switch is without looking. One reason why the Technochat in BoS is such a good idea.

Obviously for a modern plane like the A-10C the click pit a vital feature.

Edited July 14, 2015 by SharpeXB

[Ace_Pilto]

Definitely true. 

 

I do use the click-pit for some things like the canopy, lights, stores, gunsight controls and heading selector. I love the techno-chat in BoS because instead of me scratching my head and wondering if I did something right it tells me.

[Finkeren]

Y u no like clicky Finkeren?

 

It beats memorising a bunch of dumb keyboard button combos. Even if you have HOTAS you still run out of buttons.

 

I just got an email saying my multiplayer thingy is activated, will give it a try.

I hate having a mouse cursor flickering about across my screen and activating pop-up tags. It's visually distracting and completely negates the added immersion of actually pressing the buttons in their right place in the cockpit. The technochat in BoS is far less distracting, because it's confined to the same space on the screen every time.

 

It's a personal preference of mine.

[SYN_Mike77]

Too me, a clickable cockpit only makes sense in a touch screen environment.  Otherwise it seems less realistic than hotas/keyboard buttons.

[Sokol1]

Is BS argue that 'clickpits' add "realism" - this add practicality, imagine done all startup procedure in these "study" sims remembering all the LAlt+LShif+LCtrl+x shortcuts?

 

 

 

If you want the other aircraft to be easier seen than this, turn on the labels

 

In the plus side, DCS - like the old il-2 - allow customize the labels, so instead see "Plane, BF109K4,10200, JG53, "M@verickTriggerHappy" you can see only a . or ' that help see far contacts without looks "gamey".

For ground attack I use "smoke" '*' over ground targets above 5KM. And this can be turned OFF/ON in flight.

 

Maybe this new "DCS: Warbirds over Nevada" improve something...   

 

OP - Download the DCS Word - is free - and take a ride in Mustang TF-51D, overall is (IMO) the best WWII plane of all sims to just fly around.  

Edited July 15, 2015 by Sokol1

[SharpeXB]

On 7/15/2015 at 4:56 AM, Finkeren said:

I hate having a mouse cursor flickering about across my screen and activating pop-up tags. It's visually distracting and completely negates the added immersion of actually pressing the buttons in their right place in the cockpit.

 

You know that the pop-up tags can be turned off, right?

 

On 7/15/2015 at 7:42 AM, Sokol1 said:

imagine done all startup procedure in these "study" sims remembering all the LAlt+LShif+LCtrl+x shortcuts?

 

Yeah click pits are mandatory for full system planes. I find the Flaming Cliffs aircraft harder to use in some ways than the A-10C because of all the key commands vs just looking at a switch in the cockpit that says "Boost Pump" or whatever.

[Finkeren]

You know that the pop-up tags can be turned off, right?

I do, but then I have to memorize everything anyway.

 

I for one have an easier time memorizing a list of key commands than memorizing the exact location of each lever and button in each of maybe a dozen flyable aircraft.

[SharpeXB]

I for one have an easier time memorizing a list of key commands than memorizing the exact location of each lever and button in each of maybe a dozen flyable aircraft.

Ok but for something like the A-10C using key commands would be impossible.

[Finkeren]

Is BS argue that 'clickpits' add "realism" - this add practicality, imagine done all startup procedure in these "study" sims remembering all the LAlt+LShif+LCtrl+x shortcuts?

I find that a lot easier than actually having to remember where all the controls are in a dozen different cockpits. Better just having to remember one keystroke for each function. In BoS I'm not panicking trying to remember which lever controls the landing gear in the Yak-1 as opposed to the LaGG-3.

Ok but for something like the A-10C using key commands would be impossible.

It's a good thing we're not talking about A-10s then. We were simply discussing the posibility for full manual startup procedure in BoS, something that would require at most 10 - 15 new commands. Edited July 15, 2015 by Finkeren

[SharpeXB]

It's a good thing we're not talking about A-10s then.

Sure, but when the subject is "DCS" you gotta talk about the Hog.

In my humble opinion, DCS at least for now IS the Warthog. If you want to see DCS at its best then fly the A-10C. It's what the whole game is built around and it's the best PC flight sim plane in the world. Period. Even compared to FSX or any other sim, it's the top. So if you say "DCS" that's the plane to talk about.

Someday hopefully we can get WWII on that level. But discussing DCS without the A-10 or the Black Shark is like discussing how well BoS models tanks.

[Finkeren]

Sure, but when the subject is "DCS" you gotta talk about the Hog.

In my humble opinion, DCS at least for now IS the Warthog. If you want to see DCS at its best then fly the A-10C. It's what the whole game is built around and it's the best PC flight sim plane in the world. Period. Even compared to FSX or any other sim, it's the top. So if you say "DCS" that's the plane to talk about.

Someday hopefully we can get WWII on that level. But discussing DCS without the A-10 or the Black Shark is like discussing how well BoS models tanks.

I agree, but the reason we got to talk about clickpits in the first place was not in relation to DCS but because I said, that I'm glad we don't have'em in BoS.

[Ace_Pilto]

Well, BoS works well without them and to be honest the P-51 doesn't really need a clickable cockpit but it's nice to go through the same drill as they do in the real thing and feel like you're someone important enough to fly a P-51.

 

The A-10 needs a clickable interface, especially for the MFDs and such or else people would be trying to hold ctrl-alt-shift-tab-spacebar-ins-del-x to activate the sub-mode that lets you close your eyes because you're flying the ugliest aircraft built since the Fairey Gannet.

 

And you'd need two extra hands to hold all the keyboard buttons if they modeled all the functions without it. 

 

You'd probably need another keyboard too.

[SharpeXB]

If you're up for the most hard core challenge in flight simming. Go for the Maple Flag Qualification courses on the A-10. It replicates the USAF courses and scoring criteria to qualify on the plane. The 2:00 timed startup drill is only the very first step. Air-To-Air refueling is probably the most difficult task in flight sims you can master. After that everything is easy.

It would be cool if he makes those courses for the WWII planes.

I thought the training missions in BoS should have been more hardcore like MFM. Imagine if you had to pass a crosswind landing check in order to unlock the campaign? Too many people would complain ;-)

That's what can make the study sim planes more fun is if you've got real world tasks to do in them. Not just flying through green hoops.

Edited July 15, 2015 by SharpeXB

[Sokol1]

 

 

 In BoS I'm not panicking trying to remember which lever controls the landing gear in the Yak-1 as opposed to the LaGG-3.

 

But is just hit the "G" or the 'stick button assigned, no matter of plane.

 

"Funny" is DCS Mig-21 landing gear control:

 

One key/button for raise the gear lock lever.

One key/button for raise the gear.

One key/button for lower the gear lever for Neutral (or the compressed air can vent all during the flight).

One key for lower the gear lock.

One key/button for lower the landing gear.

 

[SharpeXB]

But is just hit the "G" or the 'stick button assigned, no matter of plane.

 

"Funny" is DCS Mig-21 landing gear control:

 

One key/button for raise the gear lock lever.

One key/button for raise the gear.

One key/button for lower the gear lever for Neutral (or the compressed air can vent all during the flight).

One key for lower the gear lock.

One key/button for lower the landing gear.

 

Good thing for some of us there's English labels available for the cockpit... :-D

[Finkeren]

But is just hit the "G" or the 'stick button assigned, no matter of plane.

 

"Funny" is DCS Mig-21 landing gear control:

 

One key/button for raise the gear lock lever.

One key/button for raise the gear.

One key/button for lower the gear lever for Neutral (or the compressed air can vent all during the flight).

One key for lower the gear lock.

One key/button for lower the landing gear.

 

 

Supposing that it was this complex for several planes in the sim, it would still be easier for me to memorize 5 key strokes rather than remember, where all the different keys are in each cockpit.

[Chuck_Owl]

Clickpits helped me so much more to learn about cockpit layout instead of non-clickable cockpits. When I have to physically click on a lever/switch, for me it creates a mental pictures of where is what and what it does.

 

With keyboard-only cockpits I can't remember a bloody thing.

[SharpeXB]

If you like clickable cockpits, these guys do some outstanding work. I have some of their X-Plane aircraft and they're quite magnificent. They are equal to DCS and have working GPS and EFDs. Really nice stuff. You don't get to shoot anyone but if you just like staring at pretty pits this will do it for you.

 

http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php

[Felix58]

Agree with Chuck, in DCS WW2 and Korea, you don't have to bind all the controls like you have to in BOS.  The trim wheel is the item to click when you want to use the trim wheel.  It can be frustrating in BOS when you can see what you want to trim but cannot remember the key binding!   Having said that, the reason I stick to WW2 and Korea is that there is not a multitude of controls like the modern jets, so if you play regularly it is not a huge issue.   A sequence of clicks in a cockpit is easier to remember than a series of keyboard commands.  The cockpit layout is generally sympathetic to sequences, and this is a mnemonic device in itself.

 

I enjoy both games and am looking forward to DCS World 2 just as much as BOM (especially the bf110!).

[Guest deleted@50488]

Ok, since other sims are being brought - guys, if you really really like big airliners, and the 744 in special, do yourself  big favor ( and expensive too ) and get Aerowinx PSX !

 

You can't do combat with it though :-/

[Finkeren]

You can't do combat with it though :-/

Where there's will, there's a way...

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

DCs WWII planes aren't as complicated as people think. When I got my Mustang I fired up a startup tutorial and learned it within 3 min. It's compareably easy because you don't have computers, radar and safety sytsems to operate (and as Chuck implied, clickpits really help to learn all basic functions intuitvely).

 

The Fw 190 is the easiest one to fire up although I would call neither a great challenge to master if you are used to it.

 

The only thing I do think is very challenging is landings and take off because DCS birds behave somewhat different from other sims. But practise is half the fun in DCS anyway

[TWC_Ace]

well we all here are long time simmers so pulling out a few buttons and knobs shouldnt be so hard for us?

[SharpeXB]

Ok, since other sims are being brought - guys, if you really really like big airliners, and the 744 in special, do yourself  big favor ( and expensive too ) and get Aerowinx PSX !

 

You can't do combat with it though :-/

Someday I will take on learning an airliner just for the sheer flight sim challenge. I'm always game for that ;-)

[Chuck_Owl]

If you like clickable cockpits, these guys do some outstanding work. I have some of their X-Plane aircraft and they're quite magnificent. They are equal to DCS and have working GPS and EFDs. Really nice stuff. You don't get to shoot anyone but if you just like staring at pretty pits this will do it for you.

 

http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php

 

Sounds cool, but I prefer military aircraft and shooting at stuff.

 

Pew pew pew pew!

Edited July 17, 2015 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[SharpeXB]

Sounds cool, but I prefer military aircraft and shooting at stuff.

 

Pew pew pew pew!

I do too. But I actually learned a lot in X-Plane going through the flight school. It greatly improved my flying for the combat sims.

[Ace_Pilto]

Gotta say I retract a lot of my first impressions on the P-51 and DCS in general, there's more to it than the GUI suggests.

 

I have been at the stick quite a bit over the last couple of days, mainly in the '51 but also in the A-10C and Su-25, and with a little bit of tweaking on the rudder and elevator axes and some fiddle-farting around installing mods and tweaking other stuff the aircraft in DCS are a joy to fly. There's still not the same "feel" that BoS imparts but it's damn good anyways. The P-51 in particular is superb and you guys (jcomm and t4) are right, it is actually quite a stable gunnery platform with the right inputs and I get one hell of a kick out of flying my favourite WW2 warbird. (Especially inverted under those power lines with a plume of smoke drifting up nearby from a crated containing the mortal remains of a D-9)

 

What's the best DCS WW2 online server? Now that I have my favourite ride back under me I think it's time I got my multiplayer fangs out again. In fact I reckon I'll be making more videos for my Youtube channel.

 

And thanks to OP, without this thread I might not have invested the time to make these discoveries.

[nirvi]

Gotta say I retract a lot of my first impressions on the P-51 and DCS in general, there's more to it than the GUI suggests.

 

I have been at the stick quite a bit over the last couple of days, mainly in the '51 but also in the A-10C and Su-25, and with a little bit of tweaking on the rudder and elevator axes and some fiddle-farting around installing mods and tweaking other stuff the aircraft in DCS are a joy to fly. There's still not the same "feel" that BoS imparts but it's damn good anyways. The P-51 in particular is superb and you guys (jcomm and t4) are right, it is actually quite a stable gunnery platform with the right inputs and I get one hell of a kick out of flying my favourite WW2 warbird. (Especially inverted under those power lines with a plume of smoke drifting up nearby from a crated containing the mortal remains of a D-9)

 

What's the best DCS WW2 online server? Now that I have my favourite ride back under me I think it's time I got my multiplayer fangs out again. In fact I reckon I'll be making more videos for my Youtube channel.

 

And thanks to OP, without this thread I might not have invested the time to make these discoveries.

Check out the JG27 Fighting Legends Server

They are hosting a "airquake" map for most of the time where you can get some fast dogfights.

If no human players are online, AI planes will spawn so you always have something to shoot at.

You need this modpack: http://www.9jg27.com/mod-pack

It contains a lot of custom skins, and a LOD mod to improve visibility of all planes. 

 

Most of my videos are from this server.

Edited July 17, 2015 by nirvi

[Guest deleted@50488]

 

 

Most of my videos are from this server.

 

 

Great channel nirvi !

[TWC_Ace]

jcomm u have an option to limit fov zoom....

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=137271&highlight=Zoom

Edited July 17, 2015 by blackram_

[SharpeXB]

You need this modpack: http://www.9jg27.com/mod-pack

It contains a lot of custom skins, and a LOD mod to improve visibility of all planes.

 

I really wish server owners would not require mods online. Adds too much complexity.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I really wish server owners would not require mods online. Adds too much complexity.

 

Considering that they have made it as simple as possible, I disagree with the complexity part.

 

Not to mention, the fixes in this mod-pack are pretty powerful.

[SharpeXB]

Considering that they have made it as simple as possible, I disagree with the complexity part.

 

Not to mention, the fixes in this mod-pack are pretty powerful.

The complexity problem is in keeping track of what they are and whether they conflict with updates to the program etc.

unless you're constantly in touch with the progress of these games it's too difficult to stay current on. The maker of a particular mod can drop out and not keep up with the game development.

For example I started up RoF again after being away for quite a while. I may have experimented with the mods but now I have no idea what they were or how I installed them or what this JGME thingy is that I used. So forget it.

Then there's the whole stability problem. If you get a game crash you've got no choice but to uninstall all of these just to eliminate them as causes.

So another difference between BoS and DCS. No modding. Which is good for BoS.

It's a disaster to go online and find out you need some mod to play on whatever server and now instead of gaming having to spend time screwing around with mods. And then another server would be different and so on. What a freakin nightmare. No thanks.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Yes, BoS is very simple to setup and use!

 

I also decided to install no Mods in DCS now.

Edited July 17, 2015 by jcomm

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

I disagree with nearly the entirety of what you said there - I'll leave that at that and respect the fact that you are entitled to an opinion.

 

If you're technical enough to install Titans, overclock a 3770K, install a closed-loop watercooler and perform a controlled benchmark dragging/dropping files/folders in a file structure shouldn't be that far beyond you. 

Yes, BoS is very simple to setup and use!

 

I also decided to install no Mods in DCS now.

 

JGSME is so simple that it isn't anything like dragging knuckles over a cheese grater like it seems it is being made out to be and with the fact that the LOD mod is as simple as dropping a folder in a folder... Well, I fail to see where others are making it out to be an insurmountable difficulty. 

 

Modding 1946 is a real pain, though... I will give you that.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Space_Ghost

[Guest deleted@50488]

I did use JGSME in my old DSC install, previous the last one, but I decided to really wait for EDGE to be released, and get nice visuals, at last :-)

[SharpeXB]

If you're technical enough to install Titans, overclock a 3770K, install a closed-loop watercooler and perform a controlled benchmark

 

Hahaha. Yeah you can tell by my skill level I didn't do any of that myself. Although installing graphics cards is something even I can mange. Barely...