DCS

[Feathered_IV]

I think all the other commentary is valuable customer feedback. The swearing and abuse is uncalled for though.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I think all the other commentary is valuable customer feedback. The swearing and abuse is uncalled for though.

The abuse by the moderators of other forums and the associated stalking of forums of entirely unassociated products is uncalled for too.

 

Point taken, F_IV - with all due respect.

 

Meh, I dont think it deserves ban. Bearcat and Haash are good guys, never had any trouble with them and hope that I never will.

 

I've been in my fair share of trouble over the past four years I've been hanging out with you guys and I know from much experience that, for the most part, they're pretty good dudes.

 

OT: I think the Normandy map is looking pretty good. I don't mind the grass but the color pallet does look a little over saturated. Nothing that guys like Barthek and Starway can't fix, I'm sure.

 

I agree with the sentiment that it will probably end up being another backdrop for the same old play styles. Unfortunately, there isn't enough of a "full package" or nearly enough variety to fill things out enough to encourage innovation in that regard. The B-17 may be pretty interesting but interception/escort is pretty limited and the weird variant timeline makes things kind of odd for fulfilling that as well.

Edited January 30, 2017 by 4./JG52_Space_Ghost

[Rolling_Thunder]

Awww, my feelings are hurt

 

What a paying customer cant visit these forums cuz the cool kids say so? Boo hoo...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zat9CRfUr-E

What a paying customer can't complain on your forums or any other "cuz" the uncool kids don't like to hear any criticism? Boo boo... Edited January 31, 2017 by Rolling_Thunder

[bzc3lk]

Show me any section on the ED forums that doesnt have criticism, try again. We are jerks cuz we dont let people tell others to f off... sorry for that.

 

You might want to amend that statement to represent what really goes on in the DCS forum world.

 

"Show me any section on the ED forums that does'nt have Filtered criticism, try again."

 

The A10c Exhaust ITT discussion involving a reserve A10c Crew chief no less, with posts and documentation disappearing (Filtered) faster than a fart in a fan factory if it conflicted with the alternate DCS world documentation. Keep  in mind this guy works on the real deal, not playing around with a PC make believe A10c, but what would he know ? 

 

                          Ps, Good luck with your Stasi style of moderation trying to find my account name over there for a ban.

Edited January 31, 2017 by bzc3lk

[HippyDruid]

WOW. I thought your posts - albeit slightly emotive - still maintained a level of professionalism up until this point.

[edited]

Edited January 31, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
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[bzc3lk]

The documents were passed to me from Snoopy, I passed them on to Yo-Yo, you can ask all parties involved, I am sure you wont, it ruins the narrative... what forum was this again? Oh yeah... IL2... enjoy boys. I am sure Snoopy doesnt need you or anyone else defending his honor.

 

PS I already know who you are  Anyways its been fun, I'll let you guys get back to your IL2 forum? Yeah, IL2... later kiddies.

 

 Nice "narrative" , but still doesn't explain non abusive posts disappearing like a fart in a fan factory especially if it casts doubt on the accuracy of the Companies products.

 

Snoopy's honor is not the point that is under discussion, it's your "Stasi" style approach to non abusive posts disappearing if they conflict with your perceived view of the world.

 

Your last  "I'll let you guys get back to your IL2 forum? Yeah, IL2... later kiddies" comment about sums up the attitude and moderation style exhibited at DCS.  Like they say " Your playground, Your rules", but another famous "Bomber Harris" phrase comes to mind with your moderation style, "They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind". 

 

Is the "Whirlwind" already in progress with poor sales? You wouldn't or couldn't tell me the truth anyway, but it seems by the style of moderation  at the DCS forum that you are in damage control by silencing (Filtering) posts that do not enamour  your product.

 

               Ps You really have no idea who I am.    I'm not a hater of DCS products, just the marketing "style" exhibited through the DCS forum.

Edited January 31, 2017 by bzc3lk

[MiloMorai]

Nice "narrative" , but still doesn't explain non abusive posts disappearing like a fart in a fan factory

 

 

Be sure, with demerit points and vacations/bans given out.

[Brano]

Im not a cool kid and never was. As a user of this forum I should feel offended by that guy's "later kiddies" remark. But Im not. Cant bother with unmature manners. Im also paying customer of ED, owning several of their moduls. I just dont feel like going over their forum,as there is nothing interesting to discuss for me. If there was a propper WW2 scenario planned for time period of Normandy landings,it would be welcomed alternative to the eastern front. Just that there isnt. On the other hand WW2 Ground Forces could be fun

Edited January 31, 2017 by Brano

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

WOW. I thought your posts - albeit slightly emotive - still maintained a level of professionalism up until this point.

Now you're just being [Edited]

He usually engages into discussion, provokes other users and once they give him excuse he serves ban. All too often have I seen discussions were going reasonably, not clean but still reasonably, until Mr joined them, added fuel to the discussion and then sent people to gulag. Also, I find it weird that Community Manager haunts people on other forums, in some countries that could constitute stalking and I'm sure its penalized in Canada.*

 

*The above is opinion about specific person, not ED forum management or ED products and should not be over-interpreted.

Edited January 31, 2017 by Bearcat

[Guest deleted@1562]

ED has so much stuff to do before their WW2 scenario can hold it's own against IL2. Some of it is said to be in the works, like the damage model and AI (how long that will take to finish, noone knows and I think after the release of the Normandy map, they will abadon the setting to work on the F/A-18 and Hormuz). My prediction is it will take years, before DCS:WW2 is somewhat up to par.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I doubt it will ever be "on par" because it's not a classic flight sim but more of a military aircraft sandbox. For example the lack of dedicated ground attackers and medium bombers means you won't be able to recreate big battlefields in DCS but rather small tactical scenarios (ai bomber escort, fighter combat, jabo).

 

As far as 3rd parties are concerned, well it's unlikely they will change much in this regard. Polyshop seems to have dumped their plans for a Stuka and the VAEO P-40 is in long delay.

Edited January 31, 2017 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Finkeren]

Everytime I remember that the P-40 is still not out, it amazes me. How on Earth can a developer take that long to get a single model out the door?

[Solty]

Sadly for all us late war aircraft fans, IL2 devs have already stated some time ago that they won't try to compete with others, therefore my P-51D will probably stay locked behind ED for the next 10 years or more .

Edited January 31, 2017 by =LD=Solty

[Feathered_IV]

Everytime I remember that the P-40 is still not out, it amazes me. How on Earth can a developer take that long to get a single model out the door?

 

I think DCS is very much like a modding community.  No real direction and everybody just makes what they want.  They fall in and out of favour with one another.  Announce ambitious projects, then suddenly go quiet once they realise how much work there is to be done.  They have open ended schedules as they only work on things in their spare time.  There is little coordination and people have a habit of drifting away and only a handful of the projects see the light of day.

[Danziger]

what forum was this again? Oh yeah... IL2... enjoy boys. I am sure Snoopy doesnt need you or anyone else defending his honor.

 

PS I already know who you are Anyways its been fun, I'll let you guys get back to your IL2 forum? Yeah, IL2... later kiddies.

Just wow... I really hope this guy doesn't represent the DCS leadership in any way. I've been on the DCS forums for years and I really thought this guy had more class than that. I'm not sure what it says in the forum rules here about moderators of other company forums coming here to start trouble or spy on people to ban in their own forum but I'm sure we will find out.

 

You can ban me at DCS if you want. I don't plan to return or give them another ruble as long as they employ persons of your ilk.

 

BTW, BraveSirRobin, I retract what I said about your post in the CloD thread. Sith has posted the douchiest thing I've ever seen on this forum. His stalking DCS users and banning them over critisisms made elsewhere is pretty douchey behaviour as well.

[Solty]

I think DCS is very much like a modding community. No real direction and everybody just makes what they want. They fall in and out of favour with one another. Announce ambitious projects, then suddenly go quiet once they realise how much work there is to be done. They have open ended schedules as they only work on things in their spare time. There is little coordination and people have a habit of drifting away and only a handful of the projects see the light of day.

You might have hit the nail with this one. Although there is one crucial difference. Mods do not cost 50€ or more and therfore people do not expect to get high quality product.

 

With DCS we pay a lot, wait a lot but get nearly nothing.

To US or German citizens 50$ or € may not be a lot, but to those that live in Poland or Vietnam and many other places, the price of a one plane exceeds a cost of a AAA game release. Now you have to pay nearly x4 that price to get all current WW2 planes, not to mention future ones and the Normandy map.

Edited January 31, 2017 by =LD=Solty

[Matt]

Oh yeah... IL2... enjoy boys. I am sure Snoopy doesnt need you or anyone else defending his honor.   PS I already know who you are  Anyways its been fun, I'll let you guys get back to your IL2 forum? Yeah, IL2... later kiddies.

Probably the most disrespectful comment i've read on this forum yet and there was enough competition in that regard over the past years.

 

Actually made me uninstall DCS just now.

[ACG_Invictus]

Probably the most disrespectful comment i've read on this forum yet and there was enough competition in that regard over the past years.

 

Actually made me uninstall DCS just now.

 

Not me.  I won't reward his poor manners with a knee-jerk reaction.  His reputation is both well-known and well-deserved in an otherwise great community.

[SYN_Haashashin]

Hi guys,

 

I guess I have to say something...

 

First off and to be clear, Im not a DCS customer, they do a fine job but aint my thing, time and money wise and also I almost never read this parts of the forum but reports were sent.

 

Some people edited their post, smart move if you ask me...it saved me tons of time editing out .

Now to the point...

 

What a paying customer cant visit these forums cuz the cool kids say so?

 

Everybody is welcome to visit and even register in this forums, customer or not. And only mods or administration can restrict the access to this forum to a member, again customer or not. Rule 2: "Use of the forum is not connected to usage of the game and access to this forum is not guaranteed to users as a consequence of purchasing the game."

 

That lil video and the Boo hoo part of this post...well...It was not needed and kinda rude. Against rule 7.

 

 Anyways its been fun, I'll let you guys get back to your IL2 forum? Yeah, IL2... later kiddies.

 

This one is clearly a condescending remark as the one you made on the post I quoted above. Please keep it civil.

 

To all other posters, if you have a problem with a certain member take it up PM or even better, use the ignore function of this forum.

 

Haash

[Bearcat]

OK guys. Let's tone it down and take it where it belongs. If you want to fight go to the bar the right started in.... not here.

[Lusekofte]

I use the DCS forums to get the grip on some monitor setup and getting tutorials. A lot of great stuff there. I do not know this shit guy something, but his arrogance was noticeable even to me.

But like it is here , there is a lot of great people flying in DCS , either forums do not represent the active pilots in any way

[BeastyBaiter]

Heh, all the Spitfire excitement seem to have evaporated and servers are back to normal. Seems like everyone picked Viggen. How is it ? 

 

Also, if anyone had hopes about DCS team being sane or competent : https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3030924&postcount=202

 

Lets drag this kicking and screaming somewhat back on topic. What you saw with the Spitfire is the usual new plane syndrome. All new planes are popular for a week and then they get judged on their merits in game. The Spitfire isn't a good plane in DCS (hard to kill Bf-109K with it and even harder vs F-15C), hence interest evaporated quickly. Once some proper AI units and a more balanced plane set are added (not even planned as far as I know), the WW2 end might sustain interest better. It all goes back to having a cohesive product, which is not part of ED's public plans at this time. The third parties seem to recognize this a bit better, but they are focused on the main DCS time frame (1970's to present).

 

For the Viggen, it actually fits the main DCS time frame pretty well and so its usage will likely remain strong, at least until the Hornet comes. It's the best ship killer in game by far and is modestly successful in ground attack too. It's no A-10 or Ka-50 replacement, but with 4x AGM-65's on a supersonic plane, it can do some damage quickly. In terms of survivability in unrestricted MP (ie 104th), it's better than the MiG-21 but still not great. The plane is fast and has good standoff weapons, allowing it to avoid problems most of the time but the defensive systems are non existent. It can't be equipped with countermeasures or ECM and still have anti ship missiles, it's one or the other. The RWR provides little information, but is more helpful than the MiG-21's RWR at least. I think the RWR is sufficient for defending against radar SAMs, but isn't of much use when pounced by fighters. This is a plane that will be outright replaced by the F-18C when released for most players, but will keep at least a few die hard fans due to the simplicity and potentially rapid sortie rate (rearm bug wrecks that atm, but will be fixed).

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

This is a plane that will be outright replaced by the F-18C when released for most players, but will keep at least a few die hard fans due to the simplicity and potentially rapid sortie rate (rearm bug wrecks that atm, but will be fixed).

Of that I'm certain. There are guys like me who fly MiG-21 despite ... despite all the odds. So I think Viggen will have some future.  

[Jade_Monkey]

I think DCS is very much like a modding community. No real direction and everybody just makes what they want. They fall in and out of favour with one another. Announce ambitious projects, then suddenly go quiet once they realise how much work there is to be done. They have open ended schedules as they only work on things in their spare time. There is little coordination and people have a habit of drifting away and only a handful of the projects see the light of day.

That's a very good way of putting it.

[Gambit21]

To boot - an engaging, immersive interface is needed for the various theaters.

 

Remember EAW? As soon as you booted up it felt like the 40's. They need to move beyond providing only a framework...oh excuse me "sand box" and move start paying some attention to immersion as well. It's about balancing all the requirements for a great sim.

[delta64]

The documents were passed to me from Snoopy, I passed them on to Yo-Yo, you can ask all parties involved, I am sure you wont, it ruins the narrative... what forum was this again? Oh yeah... IL2... enjoy boys. I am sure Snoopy doesnt need you or anyone else defending his honor.

 

PS I already know who you are  Anyways its been fun, I'll let you guys get back to your IL2 forum? Yeah, IL2... later kiddies.

heh yeah i was thinking about reinstalling my DCS today for some jet action but I think I am going to put that time into my beloved WWII (i.e. IL2 sturmovik) instead. enjoy your f-18 in about 2021 or so. 

[150GCT_Veltro]

The golden age for the WW2 flight sims. Yesterday the really amazing shoots from Kuban, now these from Normandy.

 

Now i would like see something about new clouds.

Edited February 11, 2017 by 150GCT_Veltro

[coconut]

It looks wonderful. I hope they don't release at the same time as BoK, or I'll just have to quit my job!

Edited February 11, 2017 by coconut

[Feathered_IV]

Looks a lot like Cliffs of Dover to me.

[Uufflakke]

It looks wonderful. I hope they don't release at the same time as BoK, or I'll just have to quit my job!

 

Or get yourself an extra job for the evening hours.

To pay for all the expansions, extra planes etc.

Edited February 11, 2017 by Uufflakke

[Finkeren]

Those shots are great. There is something about the shadows that just makes details on the ground stand out more clearly than we see in BoX.

[Lensman1945]

Those shots are great. There is something about the shadows that just makes details on the ground stand out more clearly than we see in BoX.

Indeed, DCS and Clod really have the lighting engine nailed.

[Tompa_73]

Jesus, apparently to my understanding polychop has stopped working on the Stuka or atleast the "guy"

working on it left.....wtf. I dont know whether to laugh or cry, well the hope lives on until further notice.

[Guest deleted@50488]

I actually prefer lightning, Sun and Moon rendition, clouds and weather effects overall in IL.2 Battle of to DCS, at least in their present versions.

 

Maybe version 2.0 of DCS can make my mind ( ? ).

 

Then there's that much more plausible identification of distant objects, particularly aircraft, in IL.2, compared to the various approaches used in DCS.

 

The only negative aspects in terms of scenery rendering in IL.2 are those derived from that awful "hallo of mist" around the aircraft, particularly noticeable the higher you climb, making realistic use of operational altitudes for some missions useless, IMO...

 

I really hope 1C / 777 finds some way of getting rid of these effect in future releases.

[Solty]

I actually prefer lightning, Sun and Moon rendition, clouds and weather effects overall in IL.2 Battle of to DCS, at least in their present versions.

 

Maybe version 2.0 of DCS can make my mind ( ? ).

 

Then there's that much more plausible identification of distant objects, particularly aircraft, in IL.2, compared to the various approaches used in DCS.

 

The only negative aspects in terms of scenery rendering in IL.2 are those derived from that awful "hallo of mist" around the aircraft, particularly noticeable the higher you climb, making realistic use of operational altitudes for some missions useless, IMO...

 

I really hope 1C / 777 finds some way of getting rid of these effect in future releases.

+1

[Lusekofte]

I would agree if it had not been for the rendering of trees and grass at low level. I find it to disturb much of a otherwise pleasant view.

 

Sorry to hear about the Stuka, I never really believed it would come, kind of given up the WW2 stuff in this game and concentrate on the things I do like to do right now

[nirvi]

Normandy 1944 Update:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3054183&postcount=70

 

Livestream planned on 25th february 

[MiloMorai]

History of the B-17G-65-BO in the link,

http://www.447bg.com/43-37544.htm

 

First mission June 7 1944, last mission April 21 1945, total 75

[Danziger]

I guess expanding the map so much could have something to do with the delay. Too bad they aren't very open about it. That is no doubt a very awesome B-17. I just hope one day a modder can make it flyable...

[Trooper117]

I'm happy it will be there even as an AI bomber... it will make for some interesting escort/interception missions depending on your bent of course.