Wulfen Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, CB77Don246 said: Sorry to say this as it will upset some, I have just the basic DCS I just wanted to see what it was about so I purchased Normandy and in MY opinion what a waist of money it is no were as good as ROF Chanel Map and thats 10 years old ok not the same area. From now on I will stay with Great Battles knowing ICC there Normandy will blow DCS into touch. I have to say, while not stellar (especially in VR fps). The Normandy map looks a lot better than the more recent BOBP map in IL2, which is very sterile and bland imo in comparison. Of course one has to factor in the price difference in relation to both, with one being solely a map, while the other is a map, plane set and missions etc. Regardless DCS Normandy feels a lot more realistic and alive in my experience. I still peordered IL2 Normandy as per usual, both to support the sim, and because of it's value, even though I spend 80-90% of my time in DCS. And of course I'll buy the P-47, Channel map and Mosquito as well as likely anything else as soon as the modules hit the DCS website. If it flies I'll buy it, the trouble is the lack to time to learn and utilize the full module set I have. Top class content, DCS and Heatblur should be paying that man commission for detailing the level of fidelity and beauty of DCS. Or at the least a refund for the Tomcat. Edited May 31, 2020 by Wulfen 1
CanadaOne Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 I'm undecided on the P-47 - it being an unexciting plane - but I want that map! Mind you, as A2G is my bag, I am considering the P-47. I wonder what the price will be; $55Cdn. like the other WWII planes, or $75 to $100 like the jets? One BIG! thing that's selling me on all this is something Spudknocker said about the mission editor being improved to make it easier to add trains to the map. Just for that one thing I'm likely to buy the P-47 along with the map. Some individual of Aristotelian brilliance over there at DCS reasoned it out and concluded that making it fast and easy and fun for the player to create his own flight exactly the way he wants it..................... is a good idea. For that single glorious epiphany on their part, I'm going to throw my money at them.
Lusekofte Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 17 hours ago, CB77Don246 said: Sorry to say this as it will upset some, I have just the basic DCS I just wanted to see what it was about so I purchased Normandy and in MY opinion what a waist of money it is no were as good as ROF Chanel Map and thats 10 years old ok not the same area. From now on I will stay with Great Battles knowing ICC there Normandy will blow DCS into touch. It wont upset anyone you havevtested both and concluded. anyway. I would give it more time. I agree GB is better than DCS in WW2 but there are gem’s in DCS too
DD_Arthur Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Wow! Didn't know this thing existed in DCS I've been on this ship....lots. Although it was never as immaculate as depicted here 5
Lusekofte Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, CanadaOne said: bag, I am considering the P-47 I hate the fact they went with the fat barrel with a snot on top and not the razorback. I was vocal on that to our devs and will buy this on sale at best. Just because
dburne Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 17 hours ago, CB77Don246 said: Sorry to say this as it will upset some, I have just the basic DCS I just wanted to see what it was about so I purchased Normandy and in MY opinion what a waist of money it is no were as good as ROF Chanel Map and thats 10 years old ok not the same area. From now on I will stay with Great Battles knowing ICC there Normandy will blow DCS into touch. I don't use DCS for WWII stuff, even though I own it all. I have IL-2 GB which I much prefer for that. I use it more for Jets and Helicopters. Currently in process of learning the Hornet, plus new Super Carrier is awesome.
CanadaOne Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said: I hate the fact they went with the fat barrel with a snot on top and not the razorback. I was vocal on that to our devs and will buy this on sale at best. Just because I don't really have a preference as to model, but I agree the Razorback looks pretty cool. My interest lies in the "Kaboom!" factor. It must have beaucoup Kaboom! 2 1
CanadaOne Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 I wonder what the offspring will look like? That said, I'm surprised the Hornet lasted 4 minutes. I thought there might be a premature ejection.
Wulfen Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, CanadaOne said: I'm undecided on the P-47 - it being an unexciting plane - but I want that map! Mind you, as A2G is my bag, I am considering the P-47. I wonder what the price will be; $55Cdn. like the other WWII planes, or $75 to $100 like the jets? One BIG! thing that's selling me on all this is something Spudknocker said about the mission editor being improved to make it easier to add trains to the map. Just for that one thing I'm likely to buy the P-47 along with the map. Some individual of Aristotelian brilliance over there at DCS reasoned it out and concluded that making it fast and easy and fun for the player to create his own flight exactly the way he wants it..................... is a good idea. For that single glorious epiphany on their part, I'm going to throw my money at them. Ground pounding is what I like to do most in DCS, and for WW2 I use the Mustang. Which I find quiet reasonable and stable to fly. The P-47's bread and butter is ground pounding, far superior in that role and in the aspect of survivability over the P-51 (which I really like). The P-51 is the thoroughbred, while the P-47 is the heavy armoured war horse. I'll pick it up once it lands. There are some good Normandy dynamic type missions on the Users files DCS site. Skies over Normandy is one mission I downloaded and added to, which I regularly fly for a quick fix of WW2. Plenty of ground targets including trains and A2A as well with bombers and fighters. Edited May 31, 2020 by Wulfen 1
CanadaOne Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, Wulfen said: Ground pounding is what I like to do most in DCS, and for WW2 I use the Mustang. Which I find quiet reasonable and stable to fly. The P-47's bread and butter is ground pounding, far superior in that role and in the aspect of survivability over the P-51 (which I really like). The P-51 is the thoroughbred, while the P-47 is the heavy armoured war horse. I'll pick it up once it lands. There are some good Normandy dynamic type missions on the Users files DCS site. Skies over Normandy is one mission I downloaded and added to, which I regularly fly for a quick fix of WW2. Plenty of ground targets including trains and A2A as well with bombers and fighters. I really like the DCS P-51. It was the first high-fidelity model I bought. I probably fly it 75% for the fun of flying and 25% for A2G. I have never flown a DCS mission, either provided by the game or from the user files. I make 100% of my flights through the mission editor. And that's why the last couple of hundred bucks of my flightsim money went to DCS; the carrier and the Hornet recently, and I just loaded up my Steam wallet this morning for the P-47 and the Channel map. The money is sitting there ready for pre-orders. "Click" In-game easy fast fun SP content creation = you get my all money. 2
DD_fruitbat Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Can't wait for the channel map, going to be awesome 1
LLv34_Flanker Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 S! Those P-47 and Normandy map videos looked awesome! Already have the money reserved ?
Lusekofte Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Nope nix nada njet. You devious bastard made me buy the Supercarrier You aint tricking me in to a P 47 purchase trains...... you said trains? will it have bombs?
Rolling_Thunder Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 8 hours ago, DD_Arthur said: Wow! Didn't know this thing existed in DCS I've been on this ship....lots. Although it was never as immaculate as depicted here Considering the lack of official help and complexities, there are some quite outstanding mods for DCS. The fact that one can, in theory, make your own aircraft, ships, ground assets is one of the great things about DCS. There are a lot of failed mods and with each update a lot of mods become broken but the modding community over there is pretty impressive. 1 1
CanadaOne Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 48 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said: Nope nix nada njet. You devious bastard made me buy the Supercarrier You aint tricking me in to a P 47 purchase trains...... you said trains? will it have bombs? It will have trains....... it will have bombs........ it will have beaucoup "Kaboom!" I don't really even care about the P-47 that much, I just want the map. But since the map includes an easier faster way to use trains in the mission editor, then blowing up those trains becomes a priority, and the P-47 looks to be a great train blower-upper. I hate to say it, but DCS is grabbing my WWII flightsim dollars. 1
Lusekofte Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, CanadaOne said: I hate to say it, but DCS is grabbing my WWII flightsim dollars. Well you save up some to next great battles For me it is pretty much only GB now Next time only DCS
DD_Arthur Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 55 minutes ago, CanadaOne said: I hate to say it, but DCS is grabbing my WWII flightsim dollars. Obviously none of my business C1 but you might find added value in the flight sim dollars you've already spent if you were to equip yourself with some form of head tracking. My semi-retired TrackIr 4 cost a shed-load of folding at the time and it's well over ten years old now but has been worth every penny - and then some. It was transformative. All those wonderful 'kersplosions out the corner of your eye? Get to see all of 'em! Just a thought..... 1
CanadaOne Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said: Obviously none of my business C1 but you might find added value in the flight sim dollars you've already spent if you were to equip yourself with some form of head tracking. My semi-retired TrackIr 4 cost a shed-load of folding at the time and it's well over ten years old now but has been worth every penny - and then some. It was transformative. All those wonderful 'kersplosions out the corner of your eye? Get to see all of 'em! Just a thought..... I love IL2, but it doesn't love me. I'm all about making every flight my own flight. IL2 makes that a pain the azz to do whereas DCS makes it fast and easy. And now DCS is saying they're going to be making it even faster and easier. I would have much preferred to spend that $100 here to pre-order BoN instead of sticking it in Steam for the DCS P-47 and Channel map. But even if I buy BoN, my 7th module, and hit maybe $700 in IL2 investments, I'm still in a SP content creation eco-system that forces me to turn the game off and open and separate program just to put a single plane in the air where I want it. I'm not throwing another $100 into IL2 just to be stuck with that. As to the trackir, I'd love to have one. I know a tech-nerd X-Plane guy who builds his own control panels and I'm going to get him to make me one of those free track things. 1 1
Gambit21 Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 3 hours ago, CanadaOne said: I hate to say it, but DCS is grabbing my WWII flightsim dollars. But there’s no “WWII” going on in DCS. ? 1 1
CanadaOne Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, Gambit21 said: But there’s no “WWII” going on in DCS. ? There's a WWII map and WWII planes and WWII objects and WWII missions. It's what you make of it. Just like here. 1
CanadaOne Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 I build every flight in DCS in the mission editor. I'm not as accomplished at mission building as you - I have your campaign and I know that for a fact - but I'm good enough to make a flight I enjoy. 1
sevenless Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, CanadaOne said: I love IL2, but it doesn't love me. I'm all about making every flight my own flight. IL2 makes that a pain the azz to do whereas DCS makes it fast and easy. And now DCS is saying they're going to be making it even faster and easier. Yep they have much potential. Maps are in a different league altogether and the editor is easy to handle. Interesting to see where we stand in 2 years with DCS based WW2. It definitively makes a lot of sense to have both of them, DCS and GB. They lack coherence and SP content bigtime. Let´s see if they get that sorted. 2
CanadaOne Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, sevenless said: Yep they have much potential. Maps are in a different league altogether and the editor is easy to handle. Interesting to see where we stand in 2 years with DCS based WW2. It definitively makes a lot of sense to have both of them, DCS and GB. They lack coherence and SP content bigtime. Let´s see if they get that sorted. IL2 beats the crap out of DCS in A2A combat. That's for sure. Maybe it's just me, but there's a fluidity and beauty to IL2 A2A that DCS simply does not have. But in A2G action, DCS is in the win. You can quickly manufacture custom environments and scenarios, this is something sorely IL2 lacks. And in A2G mission building, you want to be able to move chit around and build things up on the go. Having to turn the game off and load up a separate program every time to want to make a change is as mind boggling in conception as it is ridiculous in implementation. I suspect in two-years DCS will have some seriously tasty WWII action going on. 'Cause you gotta know a WWII animated/interactive carrier is in the works already now that the modern one is out and the code is down. An interactive WWII carrier with Corsairs or Zeros is inevitable, and the Marianas map is going to have a WWII time setting as well as a modern one. I'd give it a year and DCS is in the Pacific. 1
Jaws2002 Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Hey, Look what i found!!!!! A free Edge 540 is coming to DCS.? ? Red Bull air racing here we come! 1 2
CanadaOne Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Wow, that Channel map looks awesome. And there will be night lighting in England if the date is set correctly for it. very nice! 100% buying it!
WheelwrightPL Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 9 hours ago, CanadaOne said: I suspect in two-years DCS will have some seriously tasty WWII action going on. 'Cause you gotta know a WWII animated/interactive carrier is in the works already now that the modern one is out and the code is down. An interactive WWII carrier with Corsairs or Zeros is inevitable, and the Marianas map is going to have a WWII time setting as well as a modern one. I'd give it a year and DCS is in the Pacific. I think that in two-years a 500-pound gorilla otherwise known as Microsoft will squash all competitors by adapting their next-gen FlightSimulator engine to WW2 genre. I suspect Microsoft will have disappointing Flight Simulator sales which will force them to branch off into more flashy and accessible WW2 air combat game as an "easy" way to recoup some of their enormous development costs. 2
CanadaOne Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, WheelwrightPL said: I think that in two-years a 500-pound gorilla otherwise known as Microsoft will squash all competitors by adapting their next-gen FlightSimulator engine to WW2 genre. I suspect Microsoft will have disappointing Flight Simulator sales which will force them to branch off into more flashy and accessible WW2 air combat game as an "easy" way to recoup some of their enormous development costs. If the hardware can handle it, then yes. Imagine if they can time-machine their scenery, make certain regions look like 1917 or 1945, and incorporate combat, that will be the quite something. I'm guessing that will take more than two-years. But there's no question they're not going to let all that delicious scenery and technology be used only fort FS2020, there are going to be train sims and driving sims and city building sims, and all kinds of stuff for sure. For the moment, though, that DCS Channel map and P-47 look outstanding. Just waiting for the pre-order.
AndyJWest Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 9 hours ago, CanadaOne said: I suspect in two-years DCS will have some seriously tasty WWII action going on. 'Cause you gotta know a WWII animated/interactive carrier is in the works already now that the modern one is out and the code is down. An interactive WWII carrier with Corsairs or Zeros is inevitable, and the Marianas map is going to have a WWII time setting as well as a modern one. I'd give it a year and DCS is in the Pacific. 7 minutes ago, WheelwrightPL said: I think that in two-years a 500-pound gorilla otherwise known as Microsoft will squash all competitors by adapting their next-gen FlightSimulator engine to WW2 genre. I suspect Microsoft will have disappointing Flight Simulator sales which will force them to branch off into more flashy and accessible WW2 air combat game as an "easy" way to recoup some of their enormous development costs. Neither will happen. Or not in the timescale described. Not unless you define 'DCS being in the Pacific' as a Corsair flying around with no historical opponents. And Microsoft has invested heavily in technology to use satellite data to produce a map for a civilian flight sim. There is no WW2 satellite data. If the current flight sim fails (which seems unlikely) they aren't going to want to dump core tech in order to chase a smaller market. Carry on dreaming about it if you like though...
RedKestrel Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, AndyJWest said: Neither will happen. Or not in the timescale described. Not unless you define 'DCS being in the Pacific' as a Corsair flying around with no historical opponents. And Microsoft has invested heavily in technology to use satellite data to produce a map for a civilian flight sim. There is no WW2 satellite data. If the current flight sim fails (which seems unlikely) they aren't going to want to dump core tech in order to chase a smaller market. Carry on dreaming about it if you like though... Microsoft's endeavor is IMO pretty clearly a technology demonstrator first and foremost, and the streaming satellite data tech is probably the biggest single thing they want to show with this. When you look at what they have, size of their team, etc, it becomes clear that they will probably not make money on this, and because it's Microsoft they don't need to. The consumer sales they make will be help defray costs but it's small potatoes compared to the intellectual property they generate. MIcrosoft's bread and butter is in their enterprise solutions and if the tech does well expect to see various bits and pieces of the Flight Simulator tech moving into those areas. Maybe also an attempt to make big(ger) inroads into commercial training sims. A civilian flight sim and a combat flight sim are only superficially similar in that they both have high-fidelity flight models. But the flight models are a small fraction of the entire game - you need damage models, ground targets, gunnery, combat-oriented AI, landscapes and structural models that hold up during low-altitude combat. etc. In a lot of cases, you can't just tack these things on to an existing game engine, they have to be conceived of and optimized for at the very beginning. And if the objective was to make money I don't think they would make a 'sim' but rather a flight-themed arcade game with more mass appeal. Microsoft is not in it for millions, they're in it for billions.
Legioneod Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) Can't wait for the P-47, gonna be interesting to see how well it handles. 34:05 and 41:43 are particularly interesting to watch. Edited June 1, 2020 by Legioneod 1
DD_Arthur Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, CanadaOne said: . And there will be night lighting in England if the date is set correctly for it. very nice! April 1945. 1
Archie Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Oh man, now I've got to buy the P-47 and channel map! Wonder if there'll be a bundle deal.
DD_Crash Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 Mine is coming thanks to Luthiers failed WW2 game which DCS took over 1
Jaws2002 Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, DD_Crash said: Mine is coming thanks to Luthiers failed WW2 game which DCS took over Same here.?
Hoots Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said: Same here.? Same. We were obvs in it for the long game
Jaws2002 Posted June 1, 2020 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Hoots said: Same. We were obvs in it for the long game That turned out to be a decent deal. I got six planes, at $20 a piece, and I had access to them from the moment they were released as beta. On top of that we got the Normandy map and the WW2 assets pack as bonus. Edited June 1, 2020 by Jaws2002 1
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