DCS

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

Another delay. I get it's a lot of work but constant delays make it hard to take anything ED announces seriously.

 

These pictures are great but it looks like we will have to wait at least till the end of March.

 

Damage model update is most welcomed. Current one is bit of a joke, possibly worse than War Thunder .

[Guest deleted@1562]

Sounds good. Hopefully they'll not release this at the end of March or early April as I will not have time to fly at that time.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I will have to get new SSD, judging by NTTR map size (was it like 20-30 GB ?) Normandy can get even larger. 

 

 

P-47 and Me-262 but we need to push also for FW-190A-8/9, P-38 and of course Hawker Tempest as minimum.

Meh. Fighters, fighters and fighters. I wonder if they will ever dare to try and make multi crew multi engine playable aircraft. B-17 is Ai, while its nice seeing at least A-20G or Arado 234 would be a new level of experience. 

[MiloMorai]

I will have to get new SSD, judging by NTTR map size (was it like 20-30 GB ?) Normandy can get even larger. 

 

 

Meh. Fighters, fighters and fighters. I wonder if they will ever dare to try and make multi crew multi engine playable aircraft. B-17 is Ai, while its nice seeing at least A-20G or Arado 234 would be a new level of experience. 

 

B-25s and B-26s were quite common over the Normandy battlefield.

[Jade_Monkey]

im impressed by the level of detail of the tanks

[Urra]

im impressed by the level of detail of the tanks

I like as well, but I am more cautious about it, (realistic), they may turn the textures down on release just as they already seem to have for the landscape of the Nevada mountains. Early mountains 3 months ago even, looked like a painting. Perfect. Now the textures are like medium used to be, but now at high.

[Feathered_IV]

B-25s and B-26s were quite common over the Normandy battlefield.

 

That rules them out then. 

[Demon_]

I wonder if I will get an early access to Normandy map because of my backing the kickstarter...

Your probably too poor

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126712

Edited December 31, 2016 by Demon_

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3000741&postcount=851

 

So apparently Belsimtek and ED joint project is F/A-18C. Hopefully ED will have more to say as Belsimtek modules are as bare as they can, with extremely limited training and no campaigns/missions. I still wait for a Korean map for MiG-15 (which I love to fly btw), in the meantime playing Relic Campaign. 

[SCG_motoadve]

I have been reading forums and looking into DCS WWII, so far I like the planes and systems they have modeled, not impressed by effects,damage models and weather, needs more life.

Are there AI only planes too? 

B17,P38 etc?

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

There will be. They provided some pictures of Ai B-17 they are making. 

 

Also, I somehow missed it but apparently Polychop Ju-87 is on halt : https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2981164&postcount=124

They are (Polychop) going with some meetings and will decide of its fate yet, but in best case scenario there will be a many month if not a year longer delay. 

[Guest deleted@1562]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3000741&postcount=851

 

So apparently Belsimtek and ED joint project is F/A-18C. Hopefully ED will have more to say as Belsimtek modules are as bare as they can, with extremely limited training and no campaigns/missions. I still wait for a Korean map for MiG-15 (which I love to fly btw), in the meantime playing Relic Campaign. 

 

You need to buy the helis. Both the Huey and the Mi-8 include campaigns by Belsimtek.

I have been reading forums and looking into DCS WWII, so far I like the planes and systems they have modeled, not impressed by effects,damage models and weather, needs more life.

Are there AI only planes too? 

B17,P38 etc?

 

Not yet. But at least the B-17 is planned and I think it will come with the Normandy map.

[150GCT_Veltro]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3000741&postcount=851

 

So apparently Belsimtek and ED joint project is F/A-18C. Hopefully ED will have more to say as Belsimtek modules are as bare as they can, with extremely limited training and no campaigns/missions. I still wait for a Korean map for MiG-15 (which I love to fly btw), in the meantime playing Relic Campaign. 

 

Belsimtek is borned by ED, it's a sort of twin company, and they are working on AFM of severals if not all the ED modules.

 

Edit.

Sorry, i mean PFM.

Edited January 2, 2017 by 150GCT_Veltro

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I dont like Helis. Not my piece of a cake. I dont even like modern jets. I'm more into classics - cars, music and vintage airplanes. Maybe I should have lived in a different time  

 

I'm still uncertain if I should get F-86. Considering there wont be Korean map and Relic campaign, as fun as it is, comes far from reality (P-51 campaign though is real peak of stupidity) I'm still fighting with this choice. I found that MiG-15 and F-86 so far seem to be one of the most, if not THE most balanced setup in DCS. Each has pros and cons but at the end of the day they are both very capable against each other. Shamefully there is no map and scenarios to exploit that advantage. There is one multiplayer server, empty most of the time though. 

 

 

 

Belsimtek is borned by ED, it's a sort of twin company, and they are working on AFM of severals if not all the ED modules.

If I'm not mistaken Belsimtek was a part of ED but then they somehow got separated. Now Belsimtek is a partner, so more than 3rd Party but less than ED. From my perspective details of their relationship are irrelevant, they make good modules (albeit both F-86 or MiG-15 are still plagued with some bugs but this can be said about every single DCS module) but they are bare. Little quick missions, little training missions, lucky if there is any campaign for those. And they produce those modules without any regard or consideration of the consequences. Made MiG-15 and F-86 but for what purpose. To pretend that Caucasus is Korea ? 

[Urra]

Problem is once they make the Single Ww2 map they will probably not make others and will make it into a great triumph for 10 years of how they got this one out. Asking for others will most likely be offensive to them.

[Lusekofte]

 

 

I dont like Helis. Not my piece of a cake. I dont even like modern jets. I'm more into classics - cars, music and vintage airplanes. Maybe I should have lived in a different time  

 

I did not look twice after modern jets until I started to fly DCS lately. I am fascinating about the learning of systems and routines. I still do not like A to A fighting, I am and will stay a ground pounder.

 

Helicopter is just amazing to me. Slingload to platforms and ships, landing at ships or on the roof of some casino in Las Vegas. Love it. And the complex KA 50, very effective and hard to stay alive in 

[II./JG77_Manu*]

 

 

dont like Helis. Not my piece of a cake. I dont even like modern jets. I'm more into classics - cars, music and vintage airplanes

Come on, the Huey is definitely a classic. It feels more like a WW1 kite, then something modern. Climb to fast --> you crash. Descend to fast --> you crash. Fly a tight manouver (3G+) --> rotor gets teared off and you crash. If you haven't so far, i'd definitely try it

 

 

I'm still uncertain if I should get F-86. Considering there wont be Korean map and Relic campaign, as fun as it is, comes far from reality (P-51 campaign though is real peak of stupidity) I'm still fighting with this choice. I found that MiG-15 and F-86 so far seem to be one of the most, if not THE most balanced setup in DCS. Each has pros and cons but at the end of the day they are both very capable against each other. Shamefully there is no map and scenarios to exploit that advantage. There is one multiplayer server, empty most of the time though. 

I have both and like both, but they weren't worth the money so far for me. Not the models fault, but as you pointed out the lack of playground. Fighting gunfighter AI in DCS makes no sense for me, and multiplayer is empty. The rare occasions i set up small arena fights against friends are not worth the 60 bucks (in sale). I am still hoping somewhere in the future some appropriate theatre is coming and multiplayer will be popular, but until then i would not buy it.

 

For me the worthiest moduls in DCS when it comes to playability at the current time are the Huey and the Mig21 against F5 setup, which is quite popular in MP and a great, balanced duel

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

Come on, the Huey is definitely a classic.

Oh I've tried Huey. My brother has it on his copy. It's ok but again helis are not for me, at least not for that price.

 

 

 

For me the worthiest moduls in DCS when it comes to playability at the current time are the Huey and the Mig21 against F5 setup, which is quite popular in MP and a great, balanced duel

I'm slowly learning MiG-21, but in the meantime I fly MiG-15 and P-51. I honestly enjoy the beauty and simplicity of MiG-15. And starting procedures of MiG-15 or even MiG-21 ... then I recall how long it takes to start A-10 and there you have it. Simplicity is also a beauty.

 

 

 

Problem is once they make the Single Ww2 map they will probably not make others and will make it into a great triumph for 10 years of how they got this one out. Asking for others will most likely be offensive to them.

I think now all those thinking of teaching their grandchildren of DCS and modules can rest assured that a great company as Eagle Dynamics thought of that as well. As they claim in their recent updates and wishes : "This is only a small part of our plan for 2017. Our goal is to create an entire World War II environment for our warbirds which will continue our strategic goal of creating an air combat simulation that spans the world and across the decades. Strap in!"

[Guest deleted@1562]

"This is only a small part of our plan for 2017. Our goal is to create an entire World War II environment for our warbirds which will continue our strategic goal of creating an air combat simulation that spans the world and across the decades. Strap in!"

 

Nice plans, but sadly those are only plans and subject to change.

 

When I look at what ED planned to release in 2016 and what we got by now they managed to release just one item on the list: The Spitfire. No F-18, no Straight of Homuz, no improved ATC, no FLIR, no dynamic weather, no dedicated server, no carriers, NTTR still alpha with it's own install.

 

After Luthier sunk the boat and ED took over in 06/2014, Wags gave a timeline for the WW2 modules: Spit in 12/2014 (was released 12/2016) and Normandy was scheduled for "early access" in 05/2015.  3 months ago it was end of 2016, now it's planned to be released sometime in Q1/2017. Wouldn't be surprised if they postpone it again.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an entire WW2 environment in DCS.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

After Luthier sunk the boat and ED took over in 06/2014

 

After so long and various reads I'm really concerned that story ED told about overtaking project wasnt the actual picture. Of course thats company politics so it doesnt really matter to us. But ED at this stage proved to be not really dependable company from customer point of view. 

 

 

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an entire WW2 environment in DCS.

Not at all, hence why I think by the time anything gets complete we will raise grandchildren and probably fly to the Mars.  

[Solty]

Nice plans, but sadly those are only plans and subject to change.

 

 

 

When I look at what ED planned to release in 2016 and what we got by now they managed to release just one item on the list: The Spitfire. No F-18, no Straight of Homuz, no improved ATC, no FLIR, no dynamic weather, no dedicated server, no carriers, NTTR still alpha with it's own install.

 

After Luthier sunk the boat and ED took over in 06/2014, Wags gave a timeline for the WW2 modules: Spit in 12/2014 (was released 12/2016) and Normandy was scheduled for "early access" in 05/2015. 3 months ago it was end of 2016, now it's planned to be released sometime in Q1/2017. Wouldn't be surprised if they postpone it again.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an entire WW2 environment in DCS.

That is exactly why we need IL2:Battle of the Bulge . I need more P-51D now!

Really though I hope Normandy won't take too long, but I wish it goes on steam quick.

Edited January 2, 2017 by =LD=Solty

[Apache600]

 

 

and Relic campaign, as fun as it is, comes far from reality 

 I am the one who created "The Museum Relic".   I know the story is a rather far fetched concept, but I had to create something that some how tied the MiG-15 and F-86 into the modern environment that DCS offered.   I really liked both of those aircraft, and was disappointed to see that, aside from having only a few single player missions, they had no other content.  So instead of waiting for Belsimtek to make a campaign, I thought I would

 As unrealistic as it is ... well, we are sitting behind a desk in a comfortable chair, flying a digital aircraft, with a beer or soda by our side, so how realistic do we need?  haha.  Don't get me wrong, I love realism.  I'm an airline pilot in real life.  But this is a game after all, and I wanted the story to be more entertaining than anything.  I feel that's what keeps a players attention.  And it's why I play games.

 If you've been playing the campaign, I hope you've been enjoying it so far!

 

- Apache600    

[Lusekofte]

Well the Huey was tested by pilots flying huey, and the developer witch flew MI 8 for years was to fly one and was amazed how close he was to the real thing. So I think the Huey are pretty close. That is one thing. The Mi 8 is spectacular close to real thing. MI 8 pilots say it is amazing how the model act like the real thing. It s oddities and good things are as spot on as it gets. Helicopter sim say DCS is the best all in all simulator for public available, only a few modules in X plane can compete.

But there are always more than just the flight models, like in BOS the environment is still not as real world

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

Apache600    

Hey Apache600, no offense meant there. I appreciate the campaign for what it is and for that I can do something useful with my MiG-15 which now I love more and more.

By realism I mean immersion in this case, namely the absence of Korean map, ground units and Ai aircraft to get the feeling of those 1950s air combat. On that you had no impact and nobody will until either Belsimtek or ED will step in. Which I doubt they will any time soon despite ED's megalomaniac claims.

[Lusekofte]

I might try out the MIg 15, never flew it, just bought it together with the MIG 21 , just because I could

[CisTer-dB-]

 I am the one who created "The Museum Relic".   I know the story is a rather far fetched concept, but I had to create something that some how tied the MiG-15 and F-86 into the modern environment that DCS offered.   I really liked both of those aircraft, and was disappointed to see that, aside from having only a few single player missions, they had no other content.  So instead of waiting for Belsimtek to make a campaign, I thought I would

 As unrealistic as it is ... well, we are sitting behind a desk in a comfortable chair, flying a digital aircraft, with a beer or soda by our side, so how realistic do we need?  haha.  Don't get me wrong, I love realism.  I'm an airline pilot in real life.  But this is a game after all, and I wanted the story to be more entertaining than anything.  I feel that's what keeps a players attention.  And it's why I play games.

 If you've been playing the campaign, I hope you've been enjoying it so far!

 

- Apache600    

I am glad that we have passionate people like yourself sir

 

o7 

[Apache600]

 

 

Hey Apache600, no offense meant there.

None taken  I just wanted to explain why I did what I did.    I agree, that the real immersion won't be set for the MiG-15 or F-86 for quite some time.  Sure the Normandy stuff will get close ... but that's nearly decade old technology (in a time of RAPID advancement) for the Korean time frame.  I think these two jets will be the last (if ever) to get their era developed.  It would be nice to get just a few A.I. aircraft from their time period in place, even if slowly trickled in one by one over time. 

 

LuseKofte,  The MiG-15 is a fantastically modeled little aircraft. Small, lightweight, and powerful weapons (albiet not much ammo).  It's very simple to learn the systems too.  I created some training video's (IFR Nav) and checklists for the plane.  https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=171920

 

ATAG_dB,  Thank you!  I'm glad to be here!   Though I hope Nvidia fixes the 780 drivers soon, the old drivers randomly crash my computer so I can't do to much with BoS right now.  Currently constructing a control panel for this Sim though, and I had a blast flying around when I did have my rig running well.  

 

- Apache600
 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

This could actually be solved if people could try their luck with maps. Whole area from Northern Korea including MiG Alley to Southern Korea including Seoul and bases around would be 50,000 km² or even less. Plenty of units from Normandy could be used, such as trucks, motorbikes and others. While not perfect, it would satisfactory. 

Edited January 4, 2017 by =LD=Hiromachi

[CisTer-dB-]

This could actually be solved if people could try their luck with maps. Whole area from Northern Korea including MiG Alley to Southern Korea including Seoul and bases around would be 50,000 km² or even less. Plenty of units from Normandy could be used, such as trucks, motorbikes and others. While not perfect, it would satisfactory. 

agree 100%  

[9./JG27golani79]

User made content would be great in regards of maps - the problem is that you need 3rd Part Dev status to develop maps for 2.5

At least if they stick to change their plans.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Which is the point I'm making. They are obviously incapable of expanding their product at reasonable pace, frankly, they cant even keep one game version. Allowing community to give more life to the product, at least in terms of environment would have positive impact in my opinion.

But with that 2.5 you have reminded me of something golani, whehn I recall Leathernecks answer to what is happening with Iwo jima map they stated something that they are waiting for new tools from ED, presumably to integrate it to 2.5 version. That now really makes sense.  

[150GCT_Veltro]

We just need maps (or better theaters of operations) but the DCS community should have to change its "FSX behaviour".

 

Look at the Normandy for ex.

Now people is asking E7, F4, Mk.I ecc. ecc. when we should have to ask first of all for G-10, G-14 (MG151/20!), A-9, Tempest, P-38, ecc. ecc. This a very bad way to go for the DCS community, a sort of FSX clone community.

 

Normandy is really a welcome (first) addition but the "revolution" should have to be a Korean map, just to make clear that DCS policy is FINALLY changed.

 

Korea with T5 engine and Belsimtek F-86 vs Mig-15.......hooooo my God, what a [edited] sim it would be! I'm shocked they still don't have understood this. A virtual online experience with your F-86 Squadron for my opinion....would be really insane.

Edited January 11, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
Lenguage

[Demon_]

Understand what? A map for two aircraft?.. Later, of course but not now.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Demon_

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

A map for two aircraft?

Three actually, since there is P-51D that can really well work in Korea environment albeit in different role than it does in WW2 scenario. That's not much different from 4 ww2 aircraft we have. As a matter of fact two comparable aircraft are enough to build basic and fun gameplay around - proof is F-5E Tiger II vs MiG-21bis server that is intended partially to give some Nam ear experience.

 

The problem with variety exists and will exist in DCS because their development times are very slow. You have of course plenty of modern jets ... but those are not full modules with clickpits. Thus I dont see any problem with having map of Korea, especially that it wouldnt have to be that large - 40,000 - 50,000 km² is not big by any standards, even less than current Stalingrad map in BoS. And later in case of DCS means usually 10 years later.  

[Tomsk]

For me if what you want to do is just fly around in various planes (kinda like in FSX) then DCS is great. However IL2 BoK has an environment, and a set of flyable units (fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, transports) that can work together and create interesting multiplayer scenarios. Despite various complaints the two sides actually seem vaguely well balanced. I also feel like IL2 BoX is going somewhere, the development speed is good and everything is fleshing out nicely. I've become a bit disillusioned with the slow pace of development in DCS. I was very excited by the DCS WWII kickstarter .. but that was over 3 years ago, and honestly ... not much has happened since then.

 

What keeps me in DCS for now is VR, but I'm very much hoping VR support comes to IL2 BoX soon, and that it's good and reasonably competitive. If that's the case, it will very likely be the one getting my attention (and thus money).

Edited January 6, 2017 by Tomsk

[Guest deleted@30725]

For me if what you want to do is just fly around in various planes (kinda like in FSX) then DCS is great. However IL2 BoK has an environment, and a set of flyable units (fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, transports) that can work together and create interesting multiplayer scenarios.

 

This is the point of Il2. It's not trying to be DCS. DCS is not trying to be Il2.

[Lusekofte]

Personally BOX cannot manage to entertain me more than a hour a day at best, 3 hours during FNBF. DCS is pure fun if you make yourself a setting and goal . And perform it. I love every minute I fly DCS. I probably fly it more when the Viggen comes, it is a brute and excellent plane.

DCS provide me with offline flying in environment I can create myself or others making. It got a lot to offer in many ways. I can sit here all night telling you what is not so great about DCS and its Beta´s .

If my family is out doing something else for a while and I can dedicate 3 hours for sim I fly COD. They all got something to offer. It is not a contest. I like to have a lot of options. I even consider flying ROF again, and if I can get my controls to work in IL 2 I will fly it too

[Feathered_IV]

I'm pretty much the opposite. DCS seems to be more of a "What if" simulator. Unless you set up a mission where you recreate the bombing of some hapless minority group, that's about it. No US or Russian aircraft faced each other over the environments provided. The WW2 aircraft provided didn't face each other over Normandy. No Sabres and MiGs fought over the Caucasus, and no Hueys strafed or dropped off troops there.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

DCS is not trying to be Il2.

I dont think DCS knows what its trying to be. It's not what Il-2 brand represents, neither is it what FSX represents. It sets high levels of fidelity and detail which is then put into combat - but unless we are talking about modern jets, this combat is just artificial and theoretical. Neither place, time or even targets below you make sense.

 

Well, I didnt even know there was B-29 mod for DCS :

 

One thing less necessary to set plausible scenario for Korea.  

[Lusekofte]

Multiengined prop aircraft in DCS flown by player, I have given up that idea, I would be pleased if we only got a P 38