DCS

[CanadaOne]

I haven't flown much IL2 lately, but it's certainly nice to fart around in the clouds and just enjoy the flight. Looking forward to the DCS carrier. But until then, probably going to spend more time in IL2.

 

This is a slow part of the season for us, and with the silliness going on, we have extra free time. It's a good time to fly.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

The new IL-2 update coming should help some things, hopefully. In DCS I have done a lot of sightseeing and practising take offs and landings

[Hoss]

On 3/26/2020 at 3:05 PM, Jade_Monkey said:

The new carrier deck operations video was pretty impressive I must say.

Looks pretty close to the real thing......... except the Shooter doesn't dance.............  Need to see the brown shirts weighed down with Tie down chains...   Hope the Air Boss is yelling at people too....... 

 

Hoss

[BOO]

5 hours ago, Art-J said:

 I guess a couple of dozen gigs extra are needed for extracting archives during installation as well.

 

Id say the above is usually true but the 2.5.5 to 2.5.6 beta required over 40GB of spare drive to do its do. And thats without  the Nevada map installed (which i own but detest). Afterwards of course you get your space back but without some serious overhead spare for such big reworks, cramming it into a drive  barely big enough will only lead to frustration later.  

[screamingdemon]

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First things first. You should run the game from one "DCS World" folder, whatever the bits and pieces in that "downloads" folders of yours are, I suspect it might not be a complete copy. How big are both of these folders? Barebones DCSW package with only free content in it requires about 75 GB nowadays. Full-everything install requires about 180-185. You want to try only a few modules, so you need something inbetween these values. I guess a couple of dozen gigs extra are needed for extracting archives during installation as well.

 

Estimate how much space you have to spare on each drive and we'll think what to do next.

 

Hi Art-J - I can free up more than 250GB on my HDD (D drive).

 

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Unfortunately, I'm not smart enough to help. But there are a couple of DCS flyers here who have helped me with tech issues more than once. I'm sure someone will jump in. 

 

Hope all is well in Bahrain.

 

Hi Canadaone - Bahrain is also on Curfew for the virus.

[Art-J]

10 hours ago, screamingdemon said:

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Hi Art-J - I can free up more than 250GB on my HDD (D drive).

 

The "DCS World" folder on your 3rd screen seems to show correct folder path, but is clearly incomplete (lack of BIN sub-folder, which contains all executables needed for the game to run). "Downloads" folder from the 2nd screen does have "bin" in it, but lacks others, looks like some leftover from unfinished installation process and God knows what's in it. All and all, both are a mess.

 

To be safe I would rather dump both of them and start form scratch, making sure first that I do have those free 250 GB available, but I guess as a last resort solution before doing so, you could copy content of "downloads" to "DCS World" (overwriting when asked) and then run repair and cleanup on "DCS World" (repair link should be available in Start menu > Programs > Eagle Dynamics > DCS World, if these links were created at all).

Edited April 4, 2020 by Art-J

[Danziger]

I can't even get the GUI set up for my monitor. After a few hours of trying find how to edit it manually somewhere in a config file or something I just gave up. The cursor was gone and the GUI did not match the monitor resolution so I was having to blindly hover around trying to get the menu items to highlight and click by some miracle so I could reset the resolution but it didn't work. That was kind of the last straw for me. The gigantic downloads. The user unfriendliness of everything. For someone that just wants to fly around and blow something up maybe once a week when I have an hour to spare, it just isn't worth the disk space and hassle of owning it. I manage to play for a while and have some fun only to come back in a couple of weeks to have to sit through hours of downloading and updating to find that something was broken or completely changed. I like the way the IL*2 guys work everything is always smooth for the most part. I will wait and buy DCS World Gold after they finally finish it.

[screamingdemon]

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To be safe I would rather dump both of them and start form scratch, making sure first that I do have those free 250 GB available, 

Hi Art J. I prefer this option too, but how can I do this without to download again all files, are the original files I downloaded hidden somewhere which I can reuse?

 

In the meantime I try you other proposal.

 

Also I find strange my version shows as 2.5.5 but I believe latest version is 2.5.6?

[Art-J]

All stuff your computer downloaded is stored in these two folders ( plus "_downloads" sub-folder), hence my second suggestion. In theory it should work. If the installer managed to create ED-related shortcuts and Windows registry entries, correct files should be detected during repair process (thus updater would not download them again), incorrect ones should be removed during cleanup process and missing content should be downloaded.

 

As for the version numbers, DCS is distributed in two separate forms: release version, which is standard, more stable and less buggy one and optional public Open Beta version for these players who want to have the latest, new toys inlcuded in it, but are OK with worse performance, much more bugs and glitches. It's up to user's preferences which one he wants to try (although some of the newest aircraft are compatible with Open Beta only for the time being).

 

Latest relase build available is 2.5.5 dated december '19. Latest Open Beta build available is 2.5.6, updated last week.

Edited April 4, 2020 by Art-J

[Bremspropeller]

16 hours ago, 361st_Hoss said:

Hope the Air Boss is yelling at people too....... 

 

I could do that all day. Will only take a small "consulting" charge.

Oh wait, make that "insulting" charge...

[Dijital_Majik]

29 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

I could do that all day. Will only take a small "consulting" charge.

Oh wait, make that "insulting" charge...

 

Hope your coffee isn't too hot when you do...

[CanadaOne]

13 hours ago, screamingdemon said:

 

Hi Canadaone - Bahrain is also on Curfew for the virus.

 

I hope it's as painless for you guys as possible.

 

In the meantime, best of luck with your DCS files. This is a good time to be flying.

 

[screamingdemon]

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....but I guess as a last resort solution before doing so, you could copy content of "downloads" to "DCS World" (overwriting when asked) ....

Art-J. Thanks for the advice. Everything working now after doing as you proposed. Also able now to download modules. I'm just unhappy that I missed the Harrier and Spitfire free trials which were the 2 i was looking forward to the most...go figure...Murphy's law in full swing

[Eisenfaustus]

How does one activate the free trials?

 

I just started my DCS steam version - but no anton ...

[CanadaOne]

You have to find the module in the list of DCS products on Steam, go into the details of that module, and you will see an option for a free trial, it says "play now" or something like that. When you click it, the demo will start downloading and the game will start, but since the demo is still downloading, you will probably not see it in your list of active planes right away. Stop the game, let the download finish, and start the game again. It should be there.

[Eisenfaustus]

thank you very much - I gave the Anton a Ride and have to say - I enjoy flying the 190 in IL2 a lot more!

 

2 Things though I appreciate: Groundhandling feels more natural and I really enjoy the inclusion of decent tutorials! That is something IL2 would benefit from as well I think

[CanadaOne]

I tried the DCS FW-190 demo and I liked it. Flew really nicely. But there's no way I'm paying $66 (the Steam sale is over) for a 190 in DCS when I have four of them in IL2.

 

 

[nirvi]

5 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

I tried the DCS FW-190 demo and I liked it. Flew really nicely. But there's no way I'm paying $66 (the Steam sale is over) for a 190 in DCS when I have four of them in IL2.

 

 

Tough the sale is still going on in the E-shop, 25$ right now.

[Bremspropeller]

8 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

I tried the DCS FW-190 demo and I liked it. Flew really nicely. But there's no way I'm paying $66 (the Steam sale is over) for a 190 in DCS when I have four of them in IL2.

 

Especially with that bar.

[Lusekofte]

9 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

I tried the DCS FW-190 demo and I liked it. Flew really nicely. But there's no way I'm paying $66 (the Steam sale is over) for a 190 in DCS when I have four of them in IL2.

 

 

Dora or a8? 
I got the Dora. But seldom fly it. 
only ww2 plane I fly a little bit is I 16 and P 51 both I like better than GB version. And that is in free flight not combat I might add. 
I really do not know why I like them better in DCS it simply make no sense

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 In DCS landing and and takeoff is in my opinion a bit more challenging. Really have to be careful in the Bf109K-4. Ground handling is better too. 

[CanadaOne]

26 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Dora or a8? 
I got the Dora. But seldom fly it. 
only ww2 plane I fly a little bit is I 16 and P 51 both I like better than GB version. And that is in free flight not combat I might add. 
I really do not know why I like them better in DCS it simply make no sense

 

Morning,

 

No demo for the Dora. Too bad, I really wanted to try it. But the A8 was good fun. I really like the P-51 (bought it long ago), and hated the Spitfire demo.

 

I think flying is sometimes more interesting in DCS because of the maps. Some of the IL2 maps are pretty good, but the DCS maps are a step above and it can make for a more enjoyable flight. If it's a big dogfight, or even a small one, IL2 wins because of the better atmospherics and the great FPS, but if you're flying just for the fun of flying, takeoffs and landings and farting around, the DCS maps, for me anyway, make it more fun. The DCS maps are alive; the IL2 maps are ghost towns. Not to mention the ___________ ___________ which allows you in the space of two-seconds to put the plane exactly where you want it.

 

I hope IL2 takes a step up with its maps. Even if they make just one "cutting edge" map, even a fantasy map, and charge for it, fine with me. But if the BoN map is just another massive ghost town and the ___________ ____________ remains as it is, I can't see buying it. And that's a shame. It will be the first title I skip.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

I do not have performance issues in DCS. Frankly, it runs smoother without stutters than GB. I have bought all the WW2 planes, can't wait for the P47D. 

 

Normandy has gotten better, but the tree circle is painfully visible. The smoke pillars showing from far really adds to the feel of the map. 

 

Caucasus map in DCS is not too detailed near Kerch or Taman. Seems best details are Iin the middle of the map. In that regard Kuban in GB feels more alive. 

 

Nevertheless I fly both + CloD. All for various reason, but most importantly because they are flight sims. 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

21 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

Nevertheless I fly both + CloD. All for various reason, but most importantly because they are flight sims. 

I like Cod better. But I was in it Saturday to take part in the server stress event. All my settings was disabled. And I could not find my trackir

footing. 
So I will glue it at something to be ready for 5.0. 

I got the same view as you, all sim bring benefit to all sim. The more people getting into the genre , is good for all brands. 
cod is more bomber friendly, it give more dimensions and demand more brain cells
 

 

[CanadaOne]

Amen to your last sentence. 

 

But I'm surprised you get better performance in DCS. I get almost 100% better FPS in IL2 even with much more going on. Then again I only have 8GB system RAM, mind you my video card also has 8GB of RAM. Before the new card, DCS was a dog.

 

As for CLoD, I bought it and returned it minutes later. The tin can sound of the guns firing was a deal breaker for me. If it's on sale and the new update is good, maybe I'll try again.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

Amen to your last sentence. 

 

But I'm surprised you get better performance in DCS. I get almost 100% better FPS in IL2 even with much more going on. Then again I only have 8GB system RAM, mind you my video card also has 8GB of RAM. Before the new card, DCS was a dog.

 

As for CLoD, I bought it and returned it minutes later. The tin can sound of the guns firing was a deal breaker for me. If it's on sale and the new update is good, maybe I'll try again.

 

From my perspective in VR, I get decent performance in DCS, but significantly better performance in IL-2 GB.

This is from my single player perspective.

Edited April 6, 2020 by dburne

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I have not looked into FPS in DCS. In GB I have 120fps with GSync, but suffer from stutters. In DCS even I had lower FPS(never checked) it is smooth without them. Same with Cliffs, buttersmooth experience.

[jollyjack]

On 7/13/2015 at 2:26 PM, Feathered_IV said:

I own both installed, but I never play DCS.  That probably tells you something.

 

Agree ....

[SARFlytitus]

Agree !

[Monostripezebra]

Still working on that F-18 landing styles

 

Edited April 7, 2020 by Monostripezebra

[Eisenfaustus]

Tried the 109K4 today - that one I really liked! VR in DCS doesn't work as smooth and visibaility - at least on my rack - is even worse - but the the Plane was very pleasent to fly. And I think even after a lot of hours in GB 109s I still learned something from those tutorials ^^

 

But to fully enjoy the K4 in dcs I'd need 50€ K4 + 40€ Normandy + 40 €WWII Assets + 10€ Jagdflieger campaign... thats 140€ to fly an awesome messerschmidt in a somewhat fitting environment - something every single GB module allows me to do...

 

On the other hand fighting within B17 combat boxes would be something not possible in GB in the near future...

 

Still very expansive

[CanadaOne]

I have to admit, I really like that 109. Not sure why, but it just feels immersive. Flies well, fast, looks good, sounds good. But as with most planes in DCS, what seals the deal for me are the maps. It's not just that the plane is nice, it's that the maps really lend to the immersion. But as I have many 109s in IL2, there's no way I'd pay $65 for another. But it's a nice little plane. Really gives you the feeling of flight.

 

I chased a few B-17s, that was fun. Even landed without crashing the first time, but spun out at the end.

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

Probably in our best interest is having at least two competitive ww2 sims, however as mentioned pricing is killing dcs ww2 community.

Heres an example, engine sound:

109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5Wy1po9kA

 

Edited April 7, 2020 by [Pb]Slegawsky_VR

[Trooper117]

Nice!

[CanadaOne]

I'd like to see what IL2 could do, as a test if nothing else, if they charged more for a collector plane or a collector map and put the extra cash into some extra effort. Now, I don't know diddly on the squat about computer programing and modeling, but I know how money works. In this case $65 gets you a pretty nice DCS 109.

 

$40 for a "premium" collector plane instead of $20, or a $40 map in IL2, I'm curious what we would see.

[LukeFF]

13 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

$40 for a "premium" collector plane instead of $20, or a $40 map in IL2, I'm curious what we would see.

 

Really bad sales figures. 

[Birdman]

14 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

I'd like to see what IL2 could do, as a test if nothing else, if they charged more for a collector plane or a collector map and put the extra cash into some extra effort. Now, I don't know diddly on the squat about computer programing and modeling, but I know how money works. In this case $65 gets you a pretty nice DCS 109.

 

$40 for a "premium" collector plane instead of $20, or a $40 map in IL2, I'm curious what we would see.

You'd start to divide the community. The strength of IL2 is the homogeneous package that puts every user on almost the same footing (+/- the collector planes).

 

And that is great for MP.

 

For DCS the situation is instead of having 20 players on one map, you get 10 on Caucasus (if that) bc they don't wanna pay for a map and 10 more on Normandy (if that). And the MP experience start to sucks quick.

[CanadaOne]

6 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Really bad sales figures. 

 

You may be right. I don't know. On the other hand, this is a business with an enthusiastic customer base. Many here have spent several hundred dollars on this game and seem eager to spend more.

 

A $40 "next-level" B-25 or a really detailed map... I'm not convinced it would lead to poor sales.

[Lusekofte]

On 4/6/2020 at 3:51 PM, dburne said:

 

From my perspective in VR, I get decent performance in DCS, but significantly better performance in IL-2 GB.

This is from my single player perspective.

Same for me but depending on map. For me kaukasus is worst and PG best. One would think it should be the other way around. Rift S perform best in GB. 
but I find the view clearer in DCS. I think it let you tweak graphics for vr in a better way. Pixel density at 1,5 made it crisp. 
 

[CanadaOne]

6 hours ago, Birdman said:

You'd start to divide the community. The strength of IL2 is the homogeneous package that puts every user on almost the same footing (+/- the collector planes).

 

And that is great for MP.

 

For DCS the situation is instead of having 20 players on one map, you get 10 on Caucasus (if that) bc they don't wanna pay for a map and 10 more on Normandy (if that). And the MP experience start to sucks quick.

 

The community is divided. The last four or five people posting here own four of five variations of the available products. And that's just what is shown, add in campaigns and collector planes and maybe the last ten people posting own ten variations of the available products. Having one more product that some may own and some may not would change nothing at all.

 

I can't speak to the MP issue, haven't gotten into that with IL2 yet. But doesn't SP far outweigh MP in terms of percentage of players?

 

As for DCS performance, you're right. Much, much better performance in IL2. Using the PWCG, I had 40 planes in the air, just a FUBAR of a furball, and my FPS was 60 to 90 with the settings high enough to make it look great. But again, there is just as wide a discrepancy in hardware ownership as their is in software ownership. There are people flying with everything from a 760 to a 2080Ti, from a dual core i3 to a 9900K. There is no uniformity of performance to be had. That said, it's just one more variation in the soup if there is a map that not all can fly at its highest settings.