DCS

[ACG_Wind]

4 hours ago, dburne said:

Sheese - no wonder now they continue to delete the DCS threads... it just turns into bashing. Even to the point of complaining about a free map LOL.

 

I will say this - we should all be very grateful that we have two great combat flight sims for our niche hobby, it is good for the genre and good for PC Gaming overall.

The less that get supported by the consumers, the less we will have. Not good to go backwards.

If not for them being successful along with space sims, we probably would not even have the boutique joystick hardware guys either.

 

Ahhh, and as we patiently await for MS Flight Simulator 2020 to "minimally" grace our SDD/M2 drive space as well!!!... that is an entirely new thread topic! 

 

o7

Edited January 5, 2020 by WindWpn

[CanadaOne]

4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Free is all well and good, but ideally it also makes sense.

 

Please don't reduce valid observations to "bashing" - that's not what's happening.

In any case, a new map is great, especially a free one. Just wish they'd use their noggins a bit more.

 

I really don't see the problem. No one is forced to buy anything, and in fact you can - in the near future - fly two planes on two maps free of charge. That's a pretty decent taste test to see how you like it.

 

Admittedly they're trying to cover a lot of bases, that means we have the option to buy lots of different planes and helicopters from different eras an fly them on different maps. Fine by me. Like dburne said, we're better off with both IL2 and DCS. DCS offers big cities and night lighting and jets and airports and easy content creation, and IL2 offers a far superior WWII flightsim experience.

 

As far as "Just wish they'd use their noggins a bit more", that can be applied in both directions depending on who is speaking.

[simfan2015]

12 hours ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

The Hornet customers are rightly pissed because the viper customers are getting long promised systems in the viper before the Hornet.... 

Afaik those promised systems will end up in the release version. I too buy Early in the EA period, but if I was planning to be upset about it not fully as hoped for I would simply wait a few years and then buy the modules (almost) feature complete at... half price or less. Same goes for il-2! 

[CanadaOne]

4 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

Afaik those promised systems will end up in the release version. I too buy Early in the EA period, but if I was planning to be upset about it not fully as hoped for I would simply wait a few years and then buy the modules (almost) feature complete at... half price or less. Same goes for il-2! 

 

I go for the sales with DCS. $70 for one plane is just too much. I checked my Steam account and I bought everything on sale except for the Persian Gulf and Nevada maps. $66 each, but I am a slut for new maps.

 

I hope BOX starts pimping out new maps. I'm buying. Make a map of the North Pole, I'll buy it.

[simfan2015]

23 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

$70 for one plane is just too much

Maybe ...

But since DCS World will now feature 2 free maps, thus if you buy just one module, like FC3 or one study-module, you already have a complete sim/game.

As you write, indeed, most DCS planes go on sale for a mere 25 USD.

IL-2 BOS, BOM, BOK are even cheaper (too cheap in fact :-)).

My favourite sims -those that still reside on my PC SSDs and as a whole- costed me between 1000 and 2000 USD.

Not a lot if I look at the cost of all other 'gaming' software JUNK on Steam e.g. !  

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

Maybe ...

But since DCS World will now feature 2 free maps, thus if you buy just one module, like FC3 or one study-module, you already have a complete sim/game.

As you write, indeed, most DCS planes go on sale for a mere 25 USD.

IL-2 BOS, BOM, BOK are even cheaper (too cheap in fact :-)).

My favourite sims -those that still reside on my PC SSDs and as a whole- costed me between 1000 and 2000 USD.

Not a lot if I look at the cost of all other 'gaming' software JUNK on Steam e.g. !  

 

I should have said its "too much for me".

 

I just bought the Harrier on sale for $45, that's as much as I've spent on a DCS plane. But it's a lot of fun. As for IL2, I think the collector plane prices are very reasonable.

[Lusekofte]

Even a free map is wrong in this site. 
It takes a great deal of pretending and make do attitude flying ww 2 in DCS. And some attributes on some modules are questionable.  But truth be told after some hours flying in my favorite us planes ( P 40, P 47 and P. 38) in GB I ended up in the one I never really cared for. The P 51. 
P 38 got two reliable and pretty strong allisons but throw a nail at the plane and it loose all controls. P 47 engine made of glass. 
So it takes for me even more pretending and make do attitude flying GB in those planes. I never believed it would. Those flying DCS is frustrated by lets say the “mess” of modules. 
But it is still many very good reason for them to fly DCS. I am happy for those satisfied flying only GB, good for you. I need a healthy dose of MI 8 to get over my frustration in GB myself. 
Whatever rocks your boat. 

[Rei-sen]

Since other DCS thread is gone, I'll post it here. Seems like a lot of fun!
 

 

Tracers look amazing. I wish we had them in IL-2 instead of those cartoonish lazer beams.

[Danziger]

On 1/3/2020 at 4:53 PM, WindWpn said:

DCS announced upcoming release of new free Mariana Islands Map!  Will this set DCS as frontrunner for WWII carrier operations in high fidelity VR experiences?!  I am very much looking forward to seeing where this goes, and perhaps it may bump IL2 efforts to see which development studio makes first offerings of WWII carrier based scenarios...unseen since IL2 Pacific Fighters/1946!

Link to the Announcement

So what you're saying is that DCS is going to be doing a WW2 Pacific map with carriers and planes from the US and Japanese forces??? AWESOME!!!

[Jade_Monkey]

11 minutes ago, Danziger said:

So what you're saying is that DCS is going to be doing a WW2 Pacific map with carriers and planes from the US and Japanese forces??? AWESOME!!!

Yes that what he said to mislead everyone.

The truth is that no, that's not what's happening. But you can choose to imagine that.

[Ribbon]

On 1/3/2020 at 10:31 PM, Gambit21 said:

 

Wouldn't be DCS if it was cohesive and indicative of proper time and resource management. 

OF COURSE it doesn't match the WWII birds.

 

Zeke vs Corsair, Rumble Over Nevada - coming soon.

Bring your wallet, in case you bail over casino!

[Danziger]

1 hour ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Yes that what he said to mislead everyone.

The truth is that no, that's not what's happening. But you can choose to imagine that.

So what you are saying is that the OP is trying to intentionally mislead people in order to bait them into clicking on his topic? DCS is not really making a WW2 Pacific expansion with carriers and planes from the US and Japanese forces?

[Ribbon]

Free map...i like free maps!

 

Carrier, Corsair and AI Zero in the works so i guess proper pto map and pto assets will be released too, eventually.

It will take time but as with Normandy it will SLOWLY form a bigger picture.

P51, Spit, K4, Dora and A8 released.

P47, 262, Mossie and SoW in the works dcs ww2 could be a nice place to be.

 

But with single pto plane (corsair) i'll wait with purchase until they create decent amount of content to make it playable.

[Sgt_Joch]

as a free map, Marianas actually makes sense, easy to build, FPS friendly, but doubtful this has anything to do with WW2.

 

The current main DCS project (to the extent there is a focus) is on modern carrier ops with the F-18. Not everyone is prepared to buy the Persian Gulf map, so a free map is needed. Guam is the principal USN and USAF base in the western pacific and the closest one to China, so would be the focus of air and or naval activity in the event of a hypothetical (non nuclear) war between USA and China and/or Russia. 

 

The modern Marianas map will be perfect for carrier ops, training and attacking Chinese/Russian naval/air assets.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Sgt_Joch

[Ribbon]

8 hours ago, raaaid said:

all these various fake news about a pacific theater being made seems to me like trying to influence devs

No fake news!

This map is not intended for ww2 pto but Corsair and ww2 carrier are in development as well Zero (AI).

There is another ww2 map in development but isn't revealed yet.

From Normandy example and how it's forming regarding content i'm quite sure DCS PTO will go same way.....but it'll take time....a lot of time!

[CanadaOne]

Apparently it will be Armageddon when the DCS Corsair comes out.

 

The pedants and puritans think a plane coming out that does not have a pre-existing perfectly historical map to go with it will bankrupt the flightsim industry. Which is odd because a lot of people, including me, would buy a Corsair.

 

Strange how giving a business money is bad for their business.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

4 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

The pedants and puritans think a plane coming out that does not have a pre-existing perfectly historical map to go with it will bankrupt the flightsim industry.

 

 

Can you provide a link to anyone actually saying that?

[CanadaOne]

10 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Can you provide a link to anyone actually saying that?

 

Not to you.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Not to you.

 

 

Or anyone else.

[CanadaOne]

No.

 

Just you.

 

 

 

[Gambit21]

56 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Apparently it will be Armageddon when the DCS Corsair comes out.

 

Nah, you guys will have fun...I'm happy for you.

 

Fly an airshow in Vegas, buzz the Strip, go sight-seeing over Normandy, practice formation flying with Spitfires or some Hueys, fly another Air Show in Guam and take part in a Legacy Flight with an F-18, then park next to the F-16's and B-52's stationed there.

What's not to like?

[DD_Arthur]

6 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Nah, you guys will have fun...I'm happy for you.

 

Fly an airshow in Vegas, buzz the Strip, go sight-seeing over Normandy, practice formation flying with Spitfires or some Hueys, fly another Air Show in Guam and take part in a Legacy Flight with an F-18, then park next to the F-16's and B-52's stationed there.

What's not to like?

Lol.  It probably will be like that for most users. Almost certainly me?

[Gambit21]

I actually think a fully rendered airshow, with crowd, statics displays etc is the ticket.

Then you can fly anything and it works.

 

Then code the AI F-16's to fly the T-birds show, or the F-18 to fly the Angels show, then you get to fly slot or solo.

That would be a blast.

[CanadaOne]

12 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Nah, you guys will have fun...I'm happy for you.

 

Fly an airshow in Vegas, buzz the Strip, go sight-seeing over Normandy, practice formation flying with Spitfires or some Hueys, fly another Air Show in Guam and take part in a Legacy Flight with an F-18, then park next to the F-16's and B-52's stationed there.

What's not to like?

 

 

 

 

Just now, Gambit21 said:

I actually think a fully rendered airshow, with crowd, statics displays etc is the ticket.

Then you can fly anything and it works.

 

Then code the AI F-16's to fly the T-birds show, or the F-18 to fly the Angels show, then you get to fly slot or solo.

That would be a blast.

 

FS2004 had an airshow, didn't it?

[BraveSirRobin]

4 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

or the F-18 to fly the Angels show, then you get to fly slot or solo.

That would be a blast.

 

Only for one more year.  Then DCS will have to release the Rhino.

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Only for one more year.  Then DCS will have to release the Rhino.

 

Yeah - I'm curious about that.

Took them forever to switch...I'll have to find a way to see that show...but not going anywhere near Sea Fair in Seattle...no thank you.

[BraveSirRobin]

First Rhino show is supposed to be at NAS Jax.  But the 2021 schedule has been removed from the BA website.  I'm not sure if that means anything.  

11 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Yeah - I'm curious about that.

Took them forever to switch...I'll have to find a way to see that show...but not going anywhere near Sea Fair in Seattle...no thank you.

 

[Lusekofte]

9 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Can you provide a link to anyone actually saying that?

If you are on other groups and sites. You would know that Corsair no matter version is about as popular as pixels in a computer ever can be. 
People with any knowledge to ED knows that whatever said on their part do not mean it going to happened. When you press buy button you know you got the corsair. But you do not know if anything else related to pacific will. You might get offered a Cessna next

Edited January 7, 2020 by No.322_LuseKofte

[Archie]

9 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Nah, you guys will have fun...I'm happy for you.

 

Fly an airshow in Vegas, buzz the Strip, go sight-seeing over Normandy, practice formation flying with Spitfires or some Hueys, fly another Air Show in Guam and take part in a Legacy Flight with an F-18, then park next to the F-16's and B-52's stationed there.

What's not to like?

That sounds perfect to me, after over a decade of pretending to shoot at stuff I need a change.

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

If you are on other groups and sites. You would know that Corsair no matter version is about as popular as pixels in a computer ever can be. 
People with any knowledge to ED knows that whatever said on their part do not mean it going to happened. When you press buy button you know you got the corsair. But you do not know if anything else related to pacific will. You might get offered a Cessna next

 

I wouldn't mind a Cessna. That's why I bought the Yak-52.  It's a fun little plane.

[Lusekofte]

39 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I wouldn't mind a Cessna. That's why I bought the Yak-52.  It's a fun little plane.

Yak 52 is great. There are a few owning it for real that fly it in DCS. They are pretty positive when they compare real and virtual

[Rolling_Thunder]

4 hours ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

If you are on other groups and sites. You would know that Corsair no matter version is about as popular as pixels in a computer ever can be. 
People with any knowledge to ED knows that whatever said on their part do not mean it going to happened. When you press buy button you know you got the corsair. But you do not know if anything else related to pacific will. You might get offered a Cessna next

There is nothing, zero (no pun), nada on the DCS horizon, and that stretches into decades, in regards to WW2 pacific. The F4u and its assets, carrier ai zero, are a one off. All 3rd parties have their roadmaps set. Even leatherneck, the maker of the F4u, have the F8 next. ED have said that western Europe is their WW2 theatre and have no intention of moving it to the pacific. If they did you would still be looking at 10 years in the future considering how long it's taking them to get the 109, 190, spitfire out. Not to mention the P47 and 262. The only hope for a fully realised WW2 pacific theatre in DCS is a brand new 3rd party. Not going to happen in our lifetimes. 

[CanadaOne]

Well I'm still holding my breath for an F-104.

 

Ya gotta dream, baby. 

[Lusekofte]

47 minutes ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

The only hope for a fully realised WW2 pacific theatre in DCS is a brand new 3rd party. Not going to happen in our lifetimes. 

I given that idea up too. I use ww 2 modules for fsx kind of flight inbetween chopper flying

[DD_Arthur]

9 hours ago, Archie said:

That sounds perfect to me, after over a decade of pretending to shoot at stuff I need a change.

 

I know that feeling.  I get much more of a kick out of formation flying with the chaps than 'kersplosions these days

[unlikely_spider]

17 minutes ago, raaaid said:

is it posible to play a modern jet in dcs no spending any money?

The SU-25 or the A-4. Those are the only free jets that I know of.

Edited January 7, 2020 by unlikely_spider

[Rolling_Thunder]

I have feeling the next DCS ww2 map will include fjords just  because of the mosquito. Just a feeling. So if LN were to include a clipped wing corsair in their package it would have a home. Just a feeling and wishful thinking.

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Well I'm still holding my breath for an F-104.

 

Ya gotta dream, baby. 

 

Here's my problem.

I don't have the time in my life to actually learn how to fly a modern jet.

I want just enough complexity so that I can pretend that I know how to fly an F-16 and operate it's systems, without actually having to know how to operate all it's systems.

The latter is sounds great in theory, and it's all...you know "hard core" and stuff, but 'life' doesn't allow for this...it just doesn't. Maybe if I was single and nothing better to do.

 

I used to study the Su-27 and F-16 systems on my lunch breaks at work back in the day before going home to practice what I read about...it was like taking a college class.

I just cant' do that anymore

 

So something like the MiG 15 is right up my alley...in theory.

I need at least a fully populated air show if not a Korea map and assets. 

 

Someday down the road I may get the F-14, but I doubt it. It's another "great in theory" equation for me .

The reality is that the novelty will wear off, and I'll forget all my key binds, procedures etc after letting it go for a few weeks and trying to fly it again...like I see happen to others on here over and over and over again with just about every DCS aircraft.

 

So basically WWII is my jam, and even that I don't have time to fly right now.

[4driano]

That is why I like WWI planes!

 

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Here's my problem.

I don't have the time in my life to actually learn how to fly a modern jet.

I want just enough complexity so that I can pretend that I know how to fly an F-16 and operate it's systems, without actually having to know how to operate all it's systems.

The latter is sounds great in theory, and it's all...you know "hard core" and stuff, but 'life' doesn't allow for this...it just doesn't. Maybe if I was single and nothing better to do.

 

I used to study the Su-27 and F-16 systems on my lunch breaks at work back in the day before going home to practice what I read about...it was like taking a college class.

I just cant' do that anymore

 

So something like the MiG 15 is right up my alley...in theory.

I need at least a fully populated air show if not a Korea map and assets. 

 

Someday down the road I may get the F-14, but I doubt it. It's another "great in theory" equation for me .

The reality is that the novelty will wear off, and I'll forget all my key binds, procedures etc after letting it go for a few weeks and trying to fly it again...like I see happen to others on here over and over and over again with just about every DCS aircraft.

 

So basically WWII is my jam, and even that I don't have time to fly right now.

 

You're kinda talking about the low fidelity planes in DCS, and they are perfect for me. I would prefer all low fidelity planes, but they don't make them.

 

I don't use the high fidelity DCS modules I have in a high fidelity way. I get just deep enough into them to have fun, which is why I only buy them on sale. I want fifty maps and fifty planes and the ability to just tool around in whatever is enjoyable at the moment. I just want to fly for the fun of it. As for your statement, ". . . it was like taking a college class", that's exactly(!) how I feel about the BOX _________ __________, and why, even with the endless patience you and others have shown, I never use it. It's simply no fun at all, and I have no inclination to spend my flighstim time not having fun. I do however use the __________ ___________ in DCS all the time.

 

Like you I prefer the WWII stuff, but as a lifelong sandbox flyer, I like the variety. And with BOX and DCS, we got variety. Throw in FS2020 and it will be fat city for flying fun.