DCS

[CanadaOne]

5 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

It's a nice sandbox-terrain to play "pretend" on.

 

And unless someone has their PC inside a Spitfire flying over the Rhine, that's what every single person here is doing.

 

More planes + more maps = more fun! That's the whole ballgame right there.

 

Anyone who insist everything be 100% historically accurate should first and foremost get the hell away from the PC and go outside. Outside is historically accurate, and the graphics are first rate.

 

 

[Feathered_IV]

The modern day timeframe is odd given its obvious potential.  Another “doesn’t quite fit” scenario. 

[Redwo1f]

I honestly don't get DCS - they seem to be going haphazardly all over the place with no real direction, planing, or foresight - and is there any reason for anybody to play it single player? Somebody enlighten me if I have a false impression.

Edited January 3, 2020 by Redwo1f

[DD_Fenrir]

The Caucasus map has never seen a conflict involving NATO or the US whether it warbird or any Generation of jet - yet there are loads of plausible, enjoyable and absorbing missions and campaigns to enjoy.

 

A what-if modern day China/Russia v. US carrier focused conflict (as plausible as any of the imaginative contrivances for conflict in the Caucasus) is going to be the main set-up for this map, and as some have pointed out it will be a suitable (if not perfect) backdrop for F4U ops; yeah there are modern day facilities but 95% of the land mass appears uninhabited, and a lot of people won't be put off by some of the modern elements.

 

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, AndyJWest said:

 Though I'm not sure that either the Russians or the Chinese actually see the Marianas as of particular strategic significance.  

 

Haven't they become much more strategically important since the Chinese built themselves a fleet of SSBNs?   The only way out into the deep pacific for these things would seem to take them past the vicinity of the Marianas.

[Sokol1]

5 hours ago, WindWpn said:

 WWII carrier operations

WWII? 

 

• A very large ocean area with a few islands. Ideal for carrier operations.
• Islands that are situated such that airfields have natural red, blue, and contested locations.
• Home to at least one modern-day USAF base.
• Feasible for US, Russia, and China operations in the Pacific.
• Take advantage of the Chinese Assets Pack.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Feathered_IV said:

The modern day timeframe is odd given its obvious potential.  Another “doesn’t quite fit” scenario. 

 

Wouldn't be DCS if it was cohesive and indicative of proper time and resource management. 

OF COURSE it doesn't match the WWII birds.

 

Zeke vs Corsair, Rumble Over Nevada - coming soon.

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

Nice. I'm surprised its free. But i' more interested in the Hind, Huey coop and F-15E.

[CanadaOne]

32 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Wouldn't be DCS if it was cohesive and indicative of proper time and resource management. 

OF COURSE it doesn't match the WWII birds.

 

Zeke vs Corsair, Rumble Over Nevada - coming soon.

 

It's a game. A game to be played with. It's meant to provide some entertainment and fun. And FYI, the Nevada map is a lot of fun

 

And by the by, doesn't IL2 allow people to hunt WWI tanks outside of Moscow in a Me262?

 

Glass houses and all that, eh?

[Gambit21]

27 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

And by the by, doesn't IL2 allow people to hunt WWI tanks outside of Moscow in a Me262?

 

Glass houses and all that, eh?

 

"Allowed to" and "Forced to" are two quite disparate things my friend - thus I I take your winkie and double it.

[CanadaOne]

"Forced to?" Dude... it's a game.

 

Who is forcing anyone anywhere to fly anything at anytime?

 

Tell me how cohesive this is? A tank where it never was, with a plane that it never saw, on a runway it never got near. 

 

I hope I'm not forcing you to consider this.

[Gambit21]

2 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

"Forced to?" Dude... it's a game.

 

 

 

Dude...it's a thread about a game.

 

Don't take it too seriously. You're free to fly your WWII fighters over modern day Guam or the Luxor Casino all you want...I'm free to poke fun at it.

That's how this works.

[CanadaOne]

Indeed.

 

I just think it's funny when someone insinuates that his historical unreality is better than the other guy's historical unreality.

 

Wait until IL2 does Korea and we have a Mig-15 chasing a Sopwith Camel over the Rhine. The boys at DCS will be poking fun in our direction.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Is there a picture of the actual map? Not just screenshots of beaches? 

I just read the news letter. A new A-10c warthog 2 to replace the existing a-10c

it will also be available to existing A-10C Warthog owners at a significant discount.

So what I'm reading Is the current A-10 will, at a future date, no longer be updated. You will need to purchase the new one?

You have to now pay for the progress of the WiP modules you purchase. 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2020 by Rolling_Thunder

[Gambit21]

33 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Indeed.

 

I just think it's funny when someone insinuates that his historical unreality is better than the other guy's historical unreality.

 

Wait until IL2 does Korea and we have a Mig-15 chasing a Sopwith Camel over the Rhine. The boys at DCS will be poking fun in our direction.

 

I think it's funny when someone doesn't make distinction between being able to create something silly if so desired, vs having something silly as default content without the option to revert to something more historical. So we're both finding humor here...that's a good thing! Keep it light, have fun, drop some 500 pounders on Circus Circus...it's all good.

 

 

 

[cardboard_killer]

3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

The only way out into the deep pacific for these things would seem to take them past the vicinity of the Marianas.

 

The pacific ocean is way bigger than that. Now the Philippines . . .

Edited January 3, 2020 by cardboard_killer

[CanadaOne]

36 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I think it's funny when someone doesn't make distinction between being able to create something silly if so desired, vs having something silly as default content without the option to revert to something more historical. So we're both finding humor here...that's a good thing! Keep it light, have fun, drop some 500 pounders on Circus Circus...it's all good.

 

 

 

 

You're being very strict in your views. There are historical options in DCS. The Persian Gulf, Caucuses, and Normandy maps have aircraft and ground unfits suited to the region and time frame. I think IL2 is a much better WWII air combat simulation, but that does not mean DCS has nothing to offer. I get to land a Harrier at night on an aircraft carrier in DCS. That **** is fun!

 

And the Nevada map is great. BIG ASS CONCRETE AIRFIELDS! 

 

I want more planes, more maps, and more fun. That means IL2 and DCS.

Edited January 4, 2020 by CanadaOne

[Gambit21]

Just now, CanadaOne said:

 

You're being very strict in your views. There are historical options in DCS. The Persian Gulf, Caucuses, and Normandy maps have aircraft and ground unfits suited to the region and time frame, and the Normandy map also has planes and ground units that are well suited to it. I think IL2 is a much better WWII air combat simulation, but that does not mean DCS has nothing to offer. I get to land a Harrier at night on an aircraft carrier in DCS. That **** is fun!

 

And the Nevada map is great. BIG ASS CONCRETE AIRFIELDS! 

 

I want more planes, more maps, and more fun. That means IL2 and DCS.

 

I was ecstatic for you when your BIG ASS CONCRETE AIRFIELDS finally arrived to BoS. 

[CanadaOne]

1 minute ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I was ecstatic for you when your BIG ASS CONCRETE AIRFIELDS finally arrived to BoS. 

 

I felt your benevolent vibes. 

[BladeMeister]

Same old ED, free map, great idea, no vision for picking a direction let's say WWII or modern and actually deciding to go that direction with a road map towards completing one or the other with some actual content beyond just modules. Maybe ED could persuade VEAO to come back and release the Wildcat and P40 they never released. Hell the Normandy map is boring as anything with 4 planes to fly on it. So let's go to the Pacific with 2 planes. Oh, but I forgot, those planes have clickable cockpits. Yea, that's the ticket. All these years and ED is still wandering aimlessly IMHO. Also now I have to repurchase new updated A10 or KA50 or not use the older no longer updated versions or keep two copies of the game on my hard drive. I am this close to just uninstalling DCS, cutting my losses, saving my hdd space, saving money and this may be the news to actually prompt me to do just that.

 

S!Blade<><

Edited January 4, 2020 by BladeMeister

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, cardboard_killer said:

 

The pacific ocean is way bigger than that. Now the Philippines . . .

 

Chinese boomers are big, noisy things that have to make their way out into at least the middle of the north Pacific to threaten Uncle Sam.  The South China sea and the East China sea are shallow lakes surrounded by friends of Uncle Sam and his listening devices.

 

The Pacific ocean is very, very big indeed but you've still got to get into it..........

 

   

[Lusekofte]

This gonna be my Huey in Nam sandbox. 
Unlike many others here I do not mind pretending. While flying in GB I pretend I am a pilot. I actually do not believe I am able to kill 123 buildings, 23 vehicles, 4 heavy guns, and 5 fighters in one mission, for real
 

Edited January 4, 2020 by No.322_LuseKofte

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

I do not mind a free map. And what interests is how this new graphics engine will be. I wonder if the North Field on Tinian still has the facilities where the B29 "Enola Gay" loaded up etc. Sure the nature has taken over if totally abandoned, but is there anything left? 

 

 

 

[cardboard_killer]

8 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

The Pacific ocean is very, very big indeed but you've still got to get into it..........

 

Have you looked at a map of the Pacific and where the Marianas are? In order to approach them the Chinese would have to get past much more restricted waters (as you admit), and then would not have to get closer than 1,000km of Saipan to drive past it, while in some of the deepest water on the planet. It's akin to saying we need Bermuda to keep Russian subs out of the Atlantic.

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by cardboard_killer

[CanadaOne]

11 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

Same old ED, free map, great idea, no vision for picking a direction let's say WWII or modern and actually deciding to go that direction with a road map towards completing one or the other with some actual content beyond just modules. Maybe ED could persuade VEAO to come back and release the Wildcat and P40 they never released. Hell the Normandy map is boring as anything with 4 planes to fly on it. So let's go to the Pacific with 2 planes. Oh, but I forgot, those planes have clickable cockpits. Yea, that's the ticket. All these years and ED is still wandering aimlessly IMHO. Also now I have to repurchase new updated A10 or KA50 or not use the older no longer updated versions or keep two copies of the game on my hard drive. I am this close to just uninstalling DCS, cutting my losses, saving my hdd space, saving money and this may be the news to actually prompt me to do just that.

 

S!Blade<><

 

DCS is far more of a sandbox sim. For my part, that's great. As my fellow flyer Lusekoft said, "Unlike many others here I do not mind pretending." Well, that's what we're all doing, we just do it in different ways. But DCS does provide a good playground. And with the sandbox flying idea in mind, one thing DCS has in spades that IL2 is missing is SP content creation made fun and easy. That's a big deal for me anyway. That was the selling point for why I just dropped about $150 on the DCS Christmas sale. Once I have the planes and maps, I get to do what I want with them, fast and easy and fun.

 

And no, you don't have to repurchase the new updated A10C. But you do have the option of buying the new updated version at a "significant discount", as they put it. I don't have to buy the new BOX Hurricane, but of course I will. $20 (or whatever) for a BOX quality Hurricane, it's a no brainer. How could any flightsimhead not want a BOX quality Hurricane?

 

The bottom line is simulating flight and having fun. More planes + more maps = more fun. For me it's that simple.

[DD_Arthur]

2 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

Have you looked at a map of the Pacific and where the Marianas are? 

 

As your map shows,  Guam - with it's very long runways and Los Angeles class SSNs - is the closest US island to the two hundred mile wide rat run between Taiwan and Luzon that Chinese boats have to cross.

In our new, Trumpian age it also has the advantage of not being subject to those other local political and diplomatic pressures that US bases around Japan and South Korea have to face.

 

Of course getting back on topic; it's a free map!   Quite what assets would be brought to the area by the 'chinese assets pack' would remain unclear

[9./JG27golani79]

14 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

Same old ED, free map, great idea, no vision for picking a direction let's say WWII or modern and actually deciding to go that direction with a road map towards completing one or the other with some actual content beyond just modules. Maybe ED could persuade VEAO to come back and release the Wildcat and P40 they never released. Hell the Normandy map is boring as anything with 4 planes to fly on it. So let's go to the Pacific with 2 planes. Oh, but I forgot, those planes have clickable cockpits. Yea, that's the ticket. All these years and ED is still wandering aimlessly IMHO. Also now I have to repurchase new updated A10 or KA50 or not use the older no longer updated versions or keep two copies of the game on my hard drive. I am this close to just uninstalling DCS, cutting my losses, saving my hdd space, saving money and this may be the news to actually prompt me to do just that.

 

S!Blade<><

 

You wont have to re-purchase the KA50 or the A-10 - there will be a free graphical update and you will be able to use the modules in the future even if there are updated versions with additional weapons / systems.

You only have to pay if you wanna use the new weapons / systems.

[OrLoK]

free map? great!

[CanadaOne]

14 minutes ago, 9./JG27golani79 said:

 

You wont have to re-purchase the KA50 or the A-10 - there will be a free graphical update and you will be able to use the modules in the future even if there are updated versions with additional weapons / systems.

You only have to pay if you wanna use the new weapons / systems.

 

I might consider the new A-10C. If they make it into the ultimate taxi cab of death with new graphics and weapons, it will be hard to resist.

 

I have the A-10A model now. The GAU-8 is a must have.

[fubar_2_niner]

Forget all that, look at the bottom of the update.............. F-15 Eagle at last !!!!

[Rolling_Thunder]

18 minutes ago, fubar_2_niner said:

Forget all that, look at the bottom of the update.............. F-15 Eagle at last !!!!

Lol. in 2 years, or more maybe

[simfan2015]

People can never be even a bit pleased it seems !?

Everyone is shouting for PTO, everyone wants updated planes, maps ... in DCS and of course IL-2.

But no-one seems to be able to wait a bit longer and/or spent some extra $ to make it all happen ?

I am also really looking forward to the new A-10C and KA50 ... finally 100 percent compatible with the new 2.5.5+ DCS engine.

IMHO DCS as well is IL-2 is becoming a better experience each and every month and I, personally, am still willing to dedicate what it takes 

 to improve my enjoyment.

The free pacific map is probably the best decision ED has made in quite some time !

Edited January 4, 2020 by simfan2015

[Gambit21]

4 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

 

The free pacific map is probably the best decision ED has made in quite some time !

 

Which isn't saying much - but sure.

 

 

In typical DCS fashion, they make an "almost" great decision.

[dburne]

Sheese - no wonder now they continue to delete the DCS threads... it just turns into bashing. Even to the point of complaining about a free map LOL.

 

I will say this - we should all be very grateful that we have two great combat flight sims for our niche hobby, it is good for the genre and good for PC Gaming overall.

The less that get supported by the consumers, the less we will have. Not good to go backwards.

If not for them being successful along with space sims, we probably would not even have the boutique joystick hardware guys either.

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by dburne

[Gambit21]

6 minutes ago, dburne said:

Sheese - no wonder now they continue to delete the DCS threads... it just turns into bashing. Even to the point of complaining about a free map LOL.

 

 

Free is all well and good, but ideally it also makes sense.

 

Please don't reduce valid observations to "bashing" - that's not what's happening.

In any case, a new map is great, especially a free one. Just wish they'd use their noggins a bit more.

[dburne]

14 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Free is all well and good, but ideally it also makes sense.

 

Please don't reduce valid observations to "bashing" - that's not what's happening.

In any case, a new map is great, especially a free one. Just wish they'd use their noggins a bit more.

 

 

With all respect:

Which isn't saying much - but sure.

In typical DCS fashion, they make an "almost" great decision.

 

I am not sure I would refer to that as a valid observation. I would call that more of a personal opinion, which really is closer to bashing.

 

[AndyJWest]

8 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

 

With all respect:

 

 

 

I am not sure I would refer to that as a valid observation. I would call that more of a personal opinion, which really is closer to bashing.

 

 

With all respect, that also looks looks like personal opinion to me.  And given that this thread is about something DCS is proposing to do, why shouldn't we offer our opinions on its merits?

 

I suspect this thread might have gone better without the misleading WWII spin the OP put on the announcement. Though that's only my opinion...

[Rolling_Thunder]

11 minutes ago, dburne said:

Sheese - no wonder now they continue to delete the DCS threads... it just turns into bashing. Even to the point of complaining about a free map LOL.

 

I will say this - we should all be very grateful that we have two great combat flight sims for our niche hobby, it is good for the genre and good for PC Gaming overall.

The less that get supported by the consumers, the less we will have. Not good to go backwards.

If not for them being successful along with space sims, we probably would not even have the boutique joystick hardware guys either.

 

I have looked and I have failed to see anyone complaining about a free map. 

I for one don't feel "greatful" why should I? "The less that gets supported the less we have"? I'm not supporting ED because they're full of shit. I'm not going to support a developer that doesnt support its paying customers. They release half assed products, under the beta banner, at full price and drag out the beta for years. They dont wait until one module is out of beta/released before they release the next one, then the next one. The Hornet customers are rightly pissed because the viper customers are getting long promised systems in the viper before the Hornet. Now there is a new A-10 in development? Where does that put the Hornet customers? I own neither of those modules but I fully support the folk who bought them, not ED. There are far too many folk who will jump to EDs defence. Enabling their BS, trampling on their fellow customers. 

Nah I wont support them and the less they develop the better for their existing customers.

[Gambit21]

22 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

 

With all respect:

 

 

 

I am not sure I would refer to that as a valid observation. I would call that more of a personal opinion, which really is closer to bashing.

 

 

We’ll agree to disagree.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

We’ll agree to disagree.

 

Agreed.