Feathered_IV Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 Didn't we all joke several years ago that DCS would pull an I-16 out of their butts one day?
CanadaOne Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Feathered_IV said: Didn't we all joke several years ago that DCS would pull an I-16 out of their butts one day? I admit to being very surprised they made an I-16 for DCS. My first thought was "Why?" So many other planes to make, why make an oddball old plane that has been done, and well done at that, in BOX? Now if they made an IL2... that would mean war! (And yes I would buy it. You can never have too many IL2s) 1
Art-J Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 Keep in mind the guys behind the DCS I-16 started making that plane 5 years ago, and given the clusterF the BoS was under Loft's "command" back then, I would've probably perceived DCS as a platform with more promising future as well. It's also important to remember they come from FSX/P3D modding scene, so the question of the plane "fitting" the rest or not was/is most likely the very last thing on their priority list.
Sharpe43 Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 They definetly have a sense of irony and humor over at ED..teaser wise
Lusekofte Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 Hi I am right now flying the coolest chopper in the newest campaign for MI 8 and KA 50 and playing cards at the same time writing here. GB is messy when it come to use 2 screens
fiddlinjim Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 I previously could not get my Pimax to work properly with DCS but I just downloaded the latest version of DCS and it now works with my Pimax 5K+
nirvi Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 Who cares about the Viper, there are also some new A8 screens online ? https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/screenshots/1197/
Plesski Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 Well, I'm not sure if it is funny or sad. https://kotaku.com/flight-sim-developer-arrested-for-selling-f-16-manuals-1834736398
bzc3lk Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Plesski said: Well, I'm not sure if it is funny or sad. https://kotaku.com/flight-sim-developer-arrested-for-selling-f-16-manuals-1834736398
Trooper117 Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 Another one I will wait until it comes up cheap as chips in a sale, sometime in the future before I buy it...
Sharpe43 Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Danziger said: I thought the A8 was AI only? apparently not..
Eisenfaustus Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) Reading the threat I find many comments on what IL2 does better as a WWII CFS. Mainly: - coherent map/plane packs to create plausible missions - a well done career - sheer content for less money but a question to those who own dcs WWII: does it do things better? it obviously has AI B17 what many wish for Bodenplatte and we know won't come... How large are the Formations the game can handle? 80 fighters dogfighting around 200 fortresses... Possible? How is AI? How is communications with AI? What kind of SP content does it offer? Any advantages besides clickpit startup procedures? Edited May 17, 2019 by Eisenfaustus
Herne Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said: Reading the threat I find many comments on what IL2 does better as a WWII CFS. Mainly: - coherent map/plane packs to create plausible missions - a well done career - sheer content for less money but a question to those who own dcs WWII: does it do things better? it obviously has AI B17 what many wish for Bodenplatte and we won't come... How large are the Formations can the game handle? 80 fighters dogfighting around 200 fortresses... Possible? How is AI? How is communications with AI? What kind of SP content does it offer? Any advantages besides clickpit startup procedures? I think the biggest drawback at the moment, is a poor damage model for ww2 content, and also as you said lack of coherence in the plane sets. Mid War spits vs late war 109's and 190's. I do have buyers regret atm for the WW2 stuff, but I think over time it has the potential to be something quite special. For the moment, and the foreseeable future though, I think IL2 is likely to be my VR bread and butter 1
dburne Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said: Reading the threat I find many comments on what IL2 does better as a WWII CFS. Mainly: - coherent map/plane packs to create plausible missions - a well done career - sheer content for less money but a question to those who own dcs WWII: does it do things better? it obviously has AI B17 what many wish for Bodenplatte and we won't come... How large are the Formations can the game handle? 80 fighters dogfighting around 200 fortresses... Possible? How is AI? How is communications with AI? What kind of SP content does it offer? Any advantages besides clickpit startup procedures? It has better AI communications for single player along with ATC. And of course the procedural stuff. But severely lacking in single player, which is all I am interested in. IL-2 totally spanks it in that department.
Sharpe43 Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) Good lord preorders for both the 190 A8 and the F16... my wallet is aching.. Edited May 17, 2019 by Sharpe43
150GCT_Veltro Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 I only hope IL2 could find some resources to improve/upgrade its cockpits...... IL2 definitely need it. Incredible news for the F-16, really a surprise: preorder in May, release this autumn. 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted May 17, 2019 1CGS Posted May 17, 2019 6 hours ago, LuseKofte said: They do look prettier than the Dora I'm not quite sure what you're looking at, because those interior shots look really, really washed out. I'd be mightily disappointed if this ends up being how it looks upon official release.
Lusekofte Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LukeFF said: I'm not quite sure what you're looking at, because those interior shots look really, really washed out. I'd be mightily disappointed if this ends up being how it looks upon official release. You think so? I find it a tad better than gb pits. I find all German pits in pretty much all sims a bit washed out. I like the look of cod 109 pits Find them a pleasant different look. But I did not look at interior. I simply like the short nose ? on Edited May 17, 2019 by LuseKofte
Fennec Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said: How large are the Formations the game can handle? 80 fighters dogfighting around 200 fortresses... Possible? I dont own any WWII module in DCS but I tried to check how it is online out of curiosity yesterday. I joined a server with a (very) heavy mission and i noticed that despite having 16gb of RAM, it was borderline unplayable at times for me. I would need at least 32GB to enjoy it without stutters. I guess that with WWII planes, there are less things to compute but i dont think that you could run a massive bombing raid with their escort on a realistic scale unless you have a computer with 96gb+ of ram or something. Maybe I am wrong though, i dont know how it works exactly, i just noticed yesterday that it is RAM intensive online and concluded that I can only go in servers with light missions ( or moderate perhaps) if i want a smooth experience.
Danziger Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, LukeFF said: I'm not quite sure what you're looking at, because those interior shots look really, really washed out. I'd be mightily disappointed if this ends up being how it looks upon official release. There is a disclaimer at the end stating it is wip as well as color corrected video and not in game audio. When I was watching I was thinking that DCS is not very far ahead anymore graphically. The cockpit does not look any better than the latest from GB apart from glass on the instrument dials. Even the exterior model and texturing does not seem much better than the GB D9 if at all. 1
BOO Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 Gotta say I was a bit "ewww" at the image of the cockpit too. But hell, why look at the cockpit when you have the ultra realististic, period specific (or general sandox - pick your ED staffer to believe) perfectly lit, most accurate (map made of that area available in DCS), no issues whatsoever, espeically not the shadows..............or performance............or odd forestry....or overused generic tiles....or bad stitching...or missing landmarks.........offically "finished" and wonderfully colour toned Nowherdy map to look out onto...... or you can always fly it over that other well known 190 Theatre of Operations....post millenial Dubai where it can meet up with its most deadly foes. The I16 and the Tomcat.
catchthefoxes Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 god, i hope they also release the p 47 soon too!!
Sokol1 Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, dburne said: It has better AI communications for single player along with ATC. Problem is that conversation is in "modern language" - for WWII CFS. PhilStyle comment this in their "Big Show" review. 5 hours ago, nirvi said: https://youtu.be/ Kc-5viIeqEs A thing that DCS make very well is trailers. Edited May 17, 2019 by Sokol1 2
Aap Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said: but a question to those who own dcs WWII: does it do things better? The main thing it does better is obviously modeling the entire aircraft, with (almost) all of it's systems. So, if you are interested in learning and operating a WWII plane, DCS is better. From WWII gameplay point of view BoX is ahead of DCS in every imaginable way. P.S. Not WWII related, but DCS maps are also more lively than BoX. They have civilian cars, buses, trains, sailing boats etc doing their daily business. The other day I noticed on Nevada map that there was actually a NASCAR race going on, when I flew over the motor speedway there.
Lusekofte Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/anton/ and the F16 on preorder may 22. I actually think I buy that. A very good ground pounder that can defend itself Edited May 17, 2019 by LuseKofte
Fennec Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) So this Fw-190 will be made by ED and not a third party? Surely that means that their other WWII modules are selling well then if they focus so much resources on those WWII prop planes? It is not a good news for the IL-2 BoX community because it means that it will be divided even further... I remember the good old days of Hypperloby where thousands of pilots were online every night and all playing on the same IL2 simulator.. It was really amazing. Right now I am totally addicted to DCS as i purchased the Harrier that i love so much, but when i see that ED is diverting energy and resources for WWII.. doesn't really make me enthusiastic when there is so much potential untapped for more modern jets or helicopters in order to have a more complete picture of modern warfare. I can only hope that more third parties will work on modern DCS modules in the future. I respect their choices but basically if i want to recreate a WWII front in DCS, I would have to spend thousands of euros and wait 10 years to have all the aircraft needed, so I don't get it. I get it when someone loves a particular aircraft so much like say the Mustang or the Corsair or the Fw-190 or in my case the P-38 (that would be the only one i would consider to buy just for the joy of flying it in DCS). But to buy all these modules that are sold without any campaign and with the map sold separately... I dunno ? I hope that 777 will survive this by focusing on what DCS cannot do. Historical context, maps, campaigns, more content and a/c per expansion for maximum immersion, Theater of operations that DCS did not touch yet like the Pacific (and ofc finish the Eastern front) and maybe at some point integrate infantry ( like a Red Orchestra style of gameplay) in order to attract more customers aside from planes and tanks so that IL2 can turn into a massive WWII Combined Arms simulation without the navy. I dont know but it is a bit scary for IL-2 because DCS are releasing more and more WWII stuffs... that is 'stealing' customers away from IL2 potentially. Edited May 17, 2019 by Fennec 1
Lusekofte Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Fennec said: t is not a good news for the IL-2 BoX community because it means that it will be divided even further... It will have no impact what so ever. Difference of the two is monumental. Edited May 17, 2019 by LuseKofte 1
Archie Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 That 190 model looks stunning (exterior) must resist...
Jade_Monkey Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) Models, lighting and plane textures are the DCS forte. Seems like IL2 is catching up a bit based on recent 4K upgrades and the Dora. I'd love to see more defects in the surfaces, like small dents on metal using normal maps. One more thing i like how DCS handles is airfield slots and how AI taxis and takes off. The video is not using in-game sounds which can help with sales but then you are a bit disappointed when you play it (that's industry standard though). Anything related to SP content, AI and DM, is way behind IL2. The AI uses a very simple FM that will do some crazy things if you pay attention, it's especially noticeable when you are accelerating game speed. Edited May 17, 2019 by Jade_Monkey 2
Sharpe43 Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said: Models, lighting and plane textures are the DCS forte. Seems like IL2 is catching up a bit based on recent 4K upgrades and the Dora. I'd love to see more defects in the surfaces, like small dents on metal using normal maps. One more thing i like how DCS handles is airfield slots and how AI taxis and takes off. The video is not using in-game sounds which can help with sales but then you are a bit disappointed when you play it (that's industry standard though). Anything related to SP content, AI and DM, is way behind IL2. The AI uses a very simple FM that will do some crazy things if you pay attention, it's especially noticeable when you are accelerating game speed. I'd say Il2 gameplay is deeper (and cheaper to aquire) DCS seems to give you better aircraft control along with the clickable cockpits.
Lusekofte Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) I think they regard their busyness with the kickstarters for over and done with. That deal went down the drain together with Luthiers ambitions. I am in no way informed in the matter. But the only mention of that program is from you. Not that I blame you, but I think they consider obligations to kickstarters settled and finished. So I believe you should not wait for anything coming. Pre purchase is a fair deal, you pay for something you know little to none and earn 10 bucks on the bet. This one I buy in sale. I simply like to see if there comes more. 7 minutes ago, Sharpe43 said: I'd say Il2 gameplay is deeper (and cheaper to aquire) DCS seems to give you better aircraft control along with the clickable cockpits. Gameplay is not deeper in the mind of ground pounders. Only dogfighters. Click pits for these ww2 planes is not needed. It is just a thing expected. DCS lack a complete timeera in a historical point of view it can not be called a combat flight simulator. If that would be the case you need to put USA in total war with a country with unlimited access to old jets Edited May 17, 2019 by LuseKofte
Fennec Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) Imagine if they would put this in DCS , would be really awesome Edited May 17, 2019 by Fennec
Rolling_Thunder Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, LuseKofte said: I am in no way informed in the matter. That's all you need to say. The rest of your post is BS. Edited May 17, 2019 by Rolling_Thunder
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