As the Mossie is coming...

[BlitzPig_EL]

Do remember that the Mosquito is a true monocoque, and hence is quite strong.  It is a far cry from a spruce, canvas, and, wires stringbag.

[Lusekofte]

What I read about it is the pilots loved it. 
There is no mention of sluggish controls but rather the opposite. I recall it said to be a responsive airplane. Not maneuverable like a fighter but pretty responsive on both aileron and lift. 
I do not think we will notice much of a speed advantage if we need to go low. But high up interceptors will struggle to climb and catch up

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Do remember that the Mosquito is a true monocoque, and hence is quite strong.  It is a far cry from a spruce, canvas, and, wires stringbag.

Surfaces are still Wood and Canvas.

 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Surfaces are still Wood and Canvas.

but it cannot in anyway be compared to earlier wooden airplanes. My english is pretty bad so I cannot give a reasonable explanation on its design. But it is available and innovative 

[imaca]

7 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Surfaces are still Wood and Canvas.

 

The de Havilland construction methods were nothing short of revolutionary. The mosquito is a mix of various composite plastic/wood structures. It has almost nothing in common with older canvas/wood types, the canvas is essentially just part of a protective coating system for the structure.
 

If you look at the flight global archive (it's down at the moment) there is an excellent article (around 45/46 I think) describing some of the manufacturing methods used.

Edited January 6, 2020 by imaca

[Heliopause]

The wooden nose was pretty strong anyway.

An 248 Sqn Mossie that took part of a ships timber mainmast back to base after a somewhat "to low an attack" on may 4th 1945 .....

 

 

[Georgio]

That ‘cookie’ bomb certainly looks like it would spoil someone’s day.

Were these the devices designed to strip roof slates allowing clouds of incendiaries to burn cities to a cinder?  

[RedKestrel]

32 minutes ago, Georgio said:

That ‘cookie’ bomb certainly looks like it would spoil someone’s day.

Were these the devices designed to strip roof slates allowing clouds of incendiaries to burn cities to a cinder?  

Essentially, yes. 

[DD_Fenrir]

Handling characteristics (from the horses mouth, if you will):

 

 

 

[WokeUpDead]

On 1/3/2020 at 7:30 AM, Trooper117 said:

 

As the Mossie is coming to the game, I thought it might be time for a little light reading!

I enjoyed flying it in the old IL2... can't wait to see how this version comes out  

 

 

The Haynes Manual must be a spoof, right? Does it end each section with "assembly is the reverse of disassembly?"

[unreasonable]

1 hour ago, WokeUpDead said:

 

The Haynes Manual must be a spoof, right? Does it end each section with "assembly is the reverse of disassembly?"

 

I do not have that one but if it is the same format as the Camel manual I have from the same line of books, it is less of a spoof and more of a disappointment.  They are not really owners' manuals at all but a fairly typical plane survey with lots of pictures, most of which I have seen elsewhere, with fairly general text about origins, use and variants. Almost no technical detail.

 

If that does not apply to the WW2 birds I would be happy to be corrected, since as things stand I will not be buying any more of that series.

[HBPencil]

1 hour ago, unreasonable said:

 

I do not have that one but if it is the same format as the Camel manual I have from the same line of books, it is less of a spoof and more of a disappointment.  They are not really owners' manuals at all but a fairly typical plane survey with lots of pictures, most of which I have seen elsewhere, with fairly general text about origins, use and variants. Almost no technical detail.

 

If that does not apply to the WW2 birds I would be happy to be corrected, since as things stand I will not be buying any more of that series.

I have the Haynes manuals for both the Spitfire and the Merlin, and I'm sorry to say they're really disappointing for the same reasons you gave for the Camel manual. I wish I hadn't wasted my money on those books.

[Trooper117]

An oldie but goodie reminder of those Merlins on the Mossie.

Looking forward to seeing it in game next year!... turn those speakers up.

 

 

[Avimimus]

On 1/5/2020 at 3:10 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

Do remember that the Mosquito is a true monocoque, and hence is quite strong.  It is a far cry from a spruce, canvas, and, wires stringbag.

 

Off-topic - but I wonder how the construction of the Roland fighters (D.II and D.VI) would compare?

 

[SYN_Vander]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

 

Off-topic - but I wonder how the construction of the Roland fighters (D.II and D.VI) would compare?

 

 

Yes, some of the German aircraft had early monocoque designs. This is a Pfalz:

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by SYN_Vander

[cardboard_killer]

Looks good, but it will never replace fabric, wire and glue.

 

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, SYN_Vander said:

Yes, some of the German aircraft had early monocoque designs. This is a Pfalz:

 

Now that is a lovely photo! A D.II I presume? The D.VI had a somewhat different construction I gather (clinker built rather than plywood spirals shaped in formers and then glued)... it was perhaps the best fighter in German service but very expensive to build in terms of labour.

 

55 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

Looks good, but it will never replace fabric, wire and glue.

 

Or the eternal wire, silk and bamboo?

Edited December 20, 2020 by Avimimus

[Freycinet]

Among Mossie accounts this one is great. Fear, sarcasm and drama....

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1622369.Terror_in_the_Starboard_Seat

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by Freycinet

[DN308]

On 1/3/2020 at 4:30 PM, Trooper117 said:

 

As the Mossie is coming to the game, I thought it might be time for a little light reading!

I enjoyed flying it in the old IL2... can't wait to see how this version comes out  

 

I do too

[Talisman]

Try this for the sound of the Mosquito in the cockpit.  Sitting in the middle of 2 x Merlin engines is going to sound different to just the 1 x Merlin up front.

 

Mosquito KA114 Flight: May 17 - YouTube

 

 

 

[Blitzen]

You could always do flight training with this:?

[AndytotheD]

12 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

You could always do flight training with this:?

 

 

 

Honestly if you have your controls mapped right that wouldn't be half bad.

 

Truly a timeless game.

[Rjel]

As long as we're getting excited about the Mosquito (we are getting excited aren't we?), would someone correct me on this photo? The cockpit shot below, in the lower left corner, is what looks like the aircraft clock. Is it? It looks curiously like an ordinary wind up pocket watch.

 

 

[SYN_Luftwaffles]

On 1/3/2020 at 10:54 AM, sevenless said:

 

I hope so. I need my "Cookie Monster". The Mk. XVI. Hopefully they get that beauty into the game.

 

 

 

Aaaannnd it's locked in multiplayer... 

[sevenless]

Some Mossie action in Norway. Nope not the 633 Sqn flic. This is the real deal...

 

Mosquitos Attack Shipping Off Norway - YouTube

[cardboard_killer]

From IL-2: 1946

 

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by cardboard_killer

[CanadaOne]

That doesn't look half bad. It's enough to think about reloading IL2-46 just for some Mosquito action in the Fjords... at 250FPS.

 

(My buddy still flies only IL2-46 to this day. He has one flightsim priority: "Can I fly a P-47 in the Pacific?" That's his fun.)

 

Hopefully there will be a newer flightsim Mosquito available in a month or so.

[sevenless]

2 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

From IL-2: 1946

 

Yep that is why I love IL:1946. Still the best overall. Still no capable successor.

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, sevenless said:

Some Mossie action in Norway. Nope not the 633 Sqn flic. This is the real deal...

 

Mosquitos Attack Shipping Off Norway - YouTube

 

One thing I've been wondering about:

 

How hard would it be for the Devs to model the ability of the RP-3 25lb rocket to travel underwater (as was the case in real life)? Maybe repurposing the code used for skip bombing?

 

They already travel a short distance underwater before detonating in the current version!

Edited December 22, 2020 by Avimimus

[Avimimus]

!!!!!!! I DID MORE TESTS!

 

My 25lb rockets travelled a little over 100 metres underwater before hitting the sub!

 

I really need to stop saying 'Wouldn't it be cool if this was modelled?' ...and start checking to see if it is!

 

With this dev the answer is usually 'yes' and 'we didn't bother to tell you'!

[SYN_Ricky]

Some nice Mosquito books collection here. I do own several of those titles, and thanks to Busdriver a new one shall arrive soon ?.

Really looking forward to the Mossie, even if I feel that in the actual multiplayer environment it won't be able to survive much more than other fighter bombers...

[Bremspropeller]

4 hours ago, SYN_Ricky said:

Really looking forward to the Mossie, even if I feel that in the actual multiplayer environment it won't be able to survive much more than other fighter bombers...

 

That may be true, but flown right, it's a smaller and faster A-20 minus the defensive fire, but with a lot more oomph in the offensive fire department.

[SYN_Ricky]

42 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

That may be true, but flown right, it's a smaller and faster A-20 minus the defensive fire, but with a lot more oomph in the offensive fire department.

 

True that.

 

I would like to have a MP environment where you could recreate Ranger missions, but that would need to have randomly scattered objectives around the map so that probabilities of having fighters waiting for you would be lesser. They would have an alert once the target is effectively attacked only, giving you a chance of bugging out before being jumped.

Edited December 22, 2020 by SYN_Ricky

[Aurora_Stealth]

6 hours ago, SYN_Ricky said:

Really looking forward to the Mossie, even if I feel that in the actual multiplayer environment it won't be able to survive much more than other fighter bombers...

 

Yeah same, I reckon it'll still need to be flown as a hit and run aircraft - especially online and in late war scenarios, perhaps flying roundabout to targets to avoid interception - which it should excel at.

 

My only other concern is how well it will deal with flak, I'm sure it can take a fair few hits from small calibre rounds but not so sure about survivability from higher calibres such as 37mm. It also sounds like it could be a real handful on one engine, but then again that applies to many twin engine aircraft.