Which planes could be next

[cardboard_killer]

So, for the holidays, I ran through my books to see if I could identify 36 aircraft that could be added to the system. I eschewed: planes with turrets, PTO only, night fighters and bombers (unless used extensively for daylight as well). I tried to pick planes with reasonable build numbers, and that saw some reasonable amount of combat.

 

I invite comment, but if you suggest another a/c, please also pick the plane that you would remove from this list, and keep it within the same parameters (e.g. no PTO a/c).

 

Here's the list I came up with.

 

[ITAF_Rani]

Fiat G 55

RE 2000, 2001, 2005

[Rei-sen]

Great list, I would also add: 

Bf-109 E4

Spitfire mkI

Spitfire mkII

Yak-1 early series with PA engine and non rounded rear canopy section 

Lagg-3 early series (series 4)

Lagg-3 later series (series 66)

P-47 C5 for some early 43 action

P-47 D10 - same

Do-17

FW-189

Polikarpov R-5

Sukhoi Su-2

Early He-111 (BoB time)

Early Ju-88 (BoB time) 

Beriev MBR-2

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by Arthur-A

[Bremspropeller]

Edited December 24, 2019 by Bremspropeller

[cardboard_killer]

1 hour ago, Arthur-A said:

Great list, I would also add: 

Bf-109 E4

Spitfire mkI

Spitfire mkII

Yak-1 early series with PA engine and non rounded rear canopy section 

Lagg-3 early series (series 4)

Lagg-3 later series (series 66)

P-47 C5 for some early 43 action

P-47 D10 - same

Do-17

FW-189

Polikarpov R-5

Sukhoi Su-2

Early He-111 (BoB time)

Early Ju-88 (BoB time) 

Beriev MBR-2

 

 

And the question is, what planes are you going to remove from the list to add all of those on? Would you rather have a Su-2 or a Tu-2? An Early Ju-88 or the Ju-87B-2?

 

I did also try to stay away from the BoB planes, and took into account the BoN planes we're getting eventually.

2 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Fiat G 55

RE 2000, 2001, 2005

 

Again, what do you drop off the list to put those on? Would you rather have an Re 2000 or an A-36?

 

Only ~270 Fiat G.55 were delivered so I discounted it. There were fewer than 50 Re.2005 built, so it will never see a modeling in BoX.

 

I added some of the other Italian planes specifically because they fought with more nations, too.

 

13 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

I don't think we will see flying boat penis substitutes modeled, either. But Keep Hope Alive!

[ww2fighter20]

3 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

So, for the holidays, I ran through my books to see if I could identify 36 aircraft that could be added to the system. I eschewed: planes with turrets, PTO only, night fighters and bombers (unless used extensively for daylight as well). I tried to pick planes with reasonable build numbers, and that saw some reasonable amount of combat.

 

I invite comment, but if you suggest another a/c, please also pick the plane that you would remove from this list, and keep it within the same parameters (e.g. no PTO a/c).

 

Here's the list I came up with.

 

I don't really understand the turret exclusion since Ju87/Do217/Ju188/Sm79/A26B/P61B/Li-2/Il-10/Tu-2/Pe3Bis all have from 1 to several turrets.

Only 27 Mosquito FB X VIII where built/converted and also might be an modification to current planned FB VI.

As far as I know the Mosquito B Mk IV where used only with Lancasters/Halifaxes bombing strategic targets in the night.

 

Where exactly are the following aircraft going to be used in the current maps?

 

All french aircraft

All Italian aircraft minus the Mc200

Bf109E3

Gloster Gladiator

P63 (As far as I know only used by Ussr in Manchuria)

Finnish B239E

IL-10

La-7

Yak-3

Yak9U

[AndyJWest]

 

 

 

[cardboard_killer]

8 hours ago, ww2fighter20 said:

Where exactly are the following aircraft going to be used in the current maps?

 

All french aircraft

All Italian aircraft minus the Mc200

Bf109E3

Gloster Gladiator

P63 (As far as I know only used by Ussr in Manchuria)

Finnish B239E

IL-10

La-7

Yak-3

Yak9U

 

The French a/c were used by Italy and Bulgaria (IIRC), and could also be used in a BoBp map 1940 scenario, along with the Bf-109E3 (and Ju-87). However, I purposely avoided the Spit/Hurricane I as they don't want to step on CLoD's toes.

 

Of the rest, I did not limit my plane set to available maps, although I did try to limit them to ETO/(late)MTO. Someone mentioned an early P-47, which I think would be a good idea for 1943 MTO.

 

The P-63 has been claimed to have been used in the ETO (surreptitiously, against the US/USSR agreement) by at least one Russian pilot in his memoirs. When I first started the list I had the P-39Q, but when I found a reference to use of the P-63, I changed it out.

8 hours ago, ww2fighter20 said:

I don't really understand the turret exclusion since Ju87/Do217/Ju188/Sm79/A26B/P61B/Li-2/Il-10/Tu-2/Pe3Bis all have from 1 to several turrets.

 

Some of those I knew, but I admit some I wasn't sure about. My main goal was to pick planes that wouldn't be automatically excluded by devs for reasons they have already stated, and turrets galore is one of those reasons.

8 hours ago, ww2fighter20 said:

Only 27 Mosquito FB X VIII where built/converted and also might be an modification to current planned FB VI.

As far as I know the Mosquito B Mk IV where used only with Lancasters/Halifaxes bombing strategic targets in the night.

 

I admit to not being much of a Mossy junkie, and struggled to find models that would fit my criteria. I will try to do some research and pull them if not acceptable. I'd like to keep British planes in the mix, though, so am very open to suggestions for UK replacement a/c.

[Lusekofte]

I would add to that list without removing

SB 2 bomber

SU 2 recce/ bomber

DB 3/ IL 4 Bomber

DO 17 

All these greatly missed since the start

[cardboard_killer]

1 hour ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

I would add to that list without removing

SB 2 bomber

SU 2 recce/ bomber

DB 3/ IL 4 Bomber

DO 17 

All these greatly missed since the start

 

I looked at all of these, but they didn't make the list. I would rather see any of the 36 I listed rather than those five. If my list were simply planes I'd like added, well that would be every plane that flew in WW2, but that's not reasonable. Indeed 36 isn't reasonable, but I have plans for cutting it down later.

[Lusekofte]

DB 3/ IL 4 is almost a necessity compared to axis bombers early to mid war. I simply can not understand why you left it from the list. 
Axis has the overweight in bomber capacity all along the line. TU 2 is a good one from your list but IL 4 where more used

[cardboard_killer]

Okay, you convinced me. I will drop the Pe-3 and replace with DB-3/IL 4

 

Along with this, I dropped the P-63 and replaced with the P47C-5.

 

Edited December 24, 2019 by cardboard_killer

[RAY-EU]

Henkel He 162 A-2 Salamander _ Volksjäger : 

 

 

[Vig]

Like many, I vote for all the Italian and French aircraft listed.  Restricted to one choice, it would be the M.S. 406.

Blackburn Skua for a Brit replacement.

[Amiral_Crapaud]

I think that the Baltic & Finnish front (for both the Winter & Continuation wars) would be a great place to make - there's potential for a map, and more importantly original Axis aircrafts (not just the Ms.406 and the Buffalo you mentioned already, but the Curtiss H.75 or the Fokker DXXI too!) & naturally Soviet aircrafts too. Man, they even had Hurricanes & Gladiators - what is there not to love!

Ok, maybe I'd be the only guy to buy that, but still ^^

Edited January 3, 2020 by Amiral_Crapaud

[sevenless]

On 12/24/2019 at 11:03 AM, cardboard_killer said:

I admit to not being much of a Mossy junkie, and struggled to find models that would fit my criteria. I will try to do some research and pull them if not acceptable. I'd like to keep British planes in the mix, though, so am very open to suggestions for UK replacement a/c.

 

Mosquito XVI will be most likely, IMHO. It is the successor of the Mk.IV bomber, capable to carry the cookie, and operated with the Light Night Striking Force. A subbranch of Pathfinder Force which operated independantly of the Lanc/Hal heavies and flew harassing raids on all sorts of targets in germany under 8 Group. 

[Heliopause]