Add 2 more aircrafts for BONormandy

[LUZITANO]

BON is a battle that has a larger map and it will cost more, it would be natural to add more content such as airplanes and the airplanes I will suggest are not difficult to produce, as they are practically ready in other variants already developed

 

Spitfire LF IXc for the Allies, similat to the IXe but with diferent wings and tail
109 G-6/AS to match the G-6 late version of BON. ASM engine with water and methanol mixture

 

I think it's possible and not hard to accomplish

 

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

Makes perfect sense, new collector planes 19.99 each. However, the game is missing large B17 formations and escort missions as by D-day there was no LW over France.

 

[Pict]

36 minutes ago, [Pb]Slegawsky said:

by D-day there was no LW over France.

 

Really?, in what box of Xmas crackers did you pull that gem of misinformation? "The Longest Day" movie or what?

 

There are 2 Lancaster crews buried in the cemetery 5 minutes walk from here (20 km west of Paris) that were shot down in August 1944 by Fw-190 fighters during bombing raids on the V-1 flying bomb facilities at the Bois de Cassan near L'Isle-Adam.

 

And that's just hard evidence that I can put my hand on in a 5 minute walk from home. If you look into the operational logs of Luftwaffe fighter squadrons on the Western front in the run up to and the period of a few months after the D-Day landings you will find that you are just repeating nonsense.

[Juri_JS]

For historically accurate pre-invasion scenarios the Spit IXc is certainly a must.

 

I think the G6AS would only make sense if it can be added as modification to the late war Bf-109G6. It was used over Normandy, but only in small numbers.

[LUZITANO]

1 hour ago, Juri_JS said:

I think the G6AS would only make sense if it can be added as modification to the late war Bf-109G6. It was used over Normandy, but only in small numbers.

This AS version has a different fuselage, I think it is not possible to use as "modification". And it was a variant made to fight on the western front

[357th_KW]

If a C wing and round tail becomes available for the Spit IX, it would be awfully nice to get options for a Merlin 61 and 63.  That would open up a whole lot of western front Spitfire options from 1942 onward.  

 

Another aircraft that needs some consideration is the P-38J.  The J-25 with the dive flaps and aileron boost was only a tiny percentage of Js overall.  It makes a good stand in for the later L models, but the 8th AF never had any of these late model P-38s, and the 9th probably didn’t have any until well into the Bodenplatte time frame.  It strikes me that if the aileron boost and dive flaps could be removed as a modification, you’re left with an early model P-38J that was in use in the Normandy time frame.

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

On 12/14/2019 at 1:56 PM, Pict said:

 

Really?, in what box of Xmas crackers did you pull that gem of misinformation? "The Longest Day" movie or what?

 

There are 2 Lancaster crews buried in the cemetery 5 minutes walk from here (20 km west of Paris) that were shot down in August 1944 by Fw-190 fighters during bombing raids on the V-1 flying bomb facilities at the Bois de Cassan near L'Isle-Adam.

 

And that's just hard evidence that I can put my hand on in a 5 minute walk from home. If you look into the operational logs of Luftwaffe fighter squadrons on the Western front in the run up to and the period of a few months after the D-Day landings you will find that you are just repeating nonsense.

There was almost no LW presence over France.

Laborious way of correcting bt thanks anyways.

[Bremspropeller]

On 12/14/2019 at 2:03 PM, [Pb]Slegawsky said:

by D-day there was no LW over France.

 

JG 2, JG 26 and several smaller units (like Jagdgruppe Süd, ZG 1, etc.) might disagree with you.

As do the countless Gruppen that did deploy into France post-invasion.

Edited December 17, 2019 by Bremspropeller

[357th_KW]

As Bremspropeller points out, the Luftwaffe did have fighter units based in France on June 6th.  They also had 2 gruppen of FW190As for ground attack purposes.  On paper, this should have been around 300 fighters, but was likely closer to 150 or so in terms of operational strength.  The Luftwaffe also transferred almost all of the single engine fighters from Luftflotte Reich (17 or so gruppen) on the 6th and 7th in response to the invasion.  This should have been around 900 additional fighters - roughly equal to the entire 8th AF fighter command.  Once again though, the operational strength was significantly lower - maybe 300-400.  The primary reason for these shortfalls were the heavy fighting against the US 8th and 15th AF (roughly 2200 fighters lost from Jan-May '44 purely from opposing 8th and 15th AF raids - not counting other sources of attrition).  This is of course only counting single engine fighters.  There were also significant numbers of twin engined fighters and bombers that were present or transferred in immediately after the invasion.

 

So the Luftwaffe had a small but meaningful force on D-Day, and it grew significantly thereafter.  The Luftwaffe was also very aggressive in using these aircraft to oppose the invasion, and intense air battles were fought over NW France starting on D-Day and continuing throughout the campaign whenever the weather allowed.  To give an example, on June 6th, Luftwaffe fighters claimed about 25 victories over NW France, and the Allied fighters claimed around 30.  The next day, with the infusion of aircraft from Germany, activity levels were even higher, with German claims rising to around 50 and Allies up to 75.  Both Allied and German losses were likely even higher then these numbers indicate, due to significant losses to flak with so many aircraft (particularly on the Allied side) being employed in ground attack roles.

 

In short, there was a LOT of air combat that took place over Normandy.

[CUJO_1970]

On 12/16/2019 at 5:14 PM, KW_1979 said:

Another aircraft that needs some consideration is the P-38J.  The J-25 with the dive flaps and aileron boost was only a tiny percentage of Js overall.  It makes a good stand in for the later L models, but the 8th AF never had any of these late model P-38s, and the 9th probably didn’t have any until well into the Bodenplatte time frame.  It strikes me that if the aileron boost and dive flaps could be removed as a modification, you’re left with an early model P-38J that was in use in the Normandy time frame.

 

Agreed - also feel BoN was a great opportunity to add P-38F, G and/or H models.

[LUZITANO]

The luftwaffe's reaction on D-day was small, but it did happen. It doesn't matter, probably if they do the B-17 they will sell separately to make money

 

Anyway the P-38 issue is interesting ... I was even surprised that this battle had more British planes than Americans

 

I think that between P-38 and Spitifre the Spitfire has preference because it was more produced and this version IXc was very used in the English channel
Could it be a mega Spitfire IXc from 42, 43 until 44 variants? Maybe so, why not? The changes to the plane were small with some detail on the wings and carburetor air intake

[357th_KW]

I agree with you on the priority.  There were certainly a lot more Spits present on D-Day.  P-38's only comprised 7 of the 33 US fighter groups of the 8th and 9th AF in June of 44, and the 8th converted all four of its P-38 groups to P-51s, from July to September of 1944.  And the differences between the early J models and the J-25 were pretty minor, aside from the dive brakes and aileron boost.