Wyatt Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) I was excited to play the new bodenplatte thinking there would be hundreds of people flocking to play american warbirds only to realize that steams backwards categorization system lists the game as DLC and nobody even saw it on the front page of "upcoming games". Its still only got 2-3 full servers and only one of them looks like its running the new content. I think its too late to save bodenplatte regarding the DLC catagorization. But if the developers are eventually going to move into the pacific theater I believe it should be a standalone game for marketing reasons. The best way to sell games on steam is through the wishlist system of people browsing unreleased niche games and "favoriting" the ones they like before they come out. And a home page where devs can update fans on development progress. But if the game doesnt show up in that area and is a "dlc" , its effectively unknown. I also believe tank crew should be a standalone game. Where as flight simulators require a "setup" with a joystick and track IR/VR. A game like tank crew will require nothing of the sort. This means the potential for sales of the game are exponentially higher than that of bodenplatte. People have been waiting for a GOOD tank game for a LOOONG time. They have had to deal with warthunder for the past like 7 years. I believe the developers should take the risk and if they have to delay it a few weeks launch tank crew as a stand alone game on steam so it can appear on the front page of steam that will allow it to generate sales. I dont know how this will effect cross play with aircraft but i believe its actually worth the risk if it complicates it. People want new tank games after world of tanks and war thunder. The problem is they likely will never see it if its listed as DLC. EDIT Additional fact. DCS games are listed on the upcoming games list despite being DLC modules. I believe the devs have a case of bias or argument here to fix the system and convince steam to let them put their games as standalone similar to DCS Edited December 7, 2019 by Wyatt 5
357th_Dog Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 BON is the next title and it's already outpacing Bodenplatte sales, people need to forget about the PTO for the time being, and by time being I mean for years. 1
Wyatt Posted December 7, 2019 Author Posted December 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, 357th_Dog said: BON is the next title and it's already outpacing Bodenplatte sales, people need to forget about the PTO for the time being, and by time being I mean for years. I would argue while its unfortunate that BOB is DLC. If the devs have a roadmap after battle of normandy that is mostly western front stuff maybe its time they branch off and make that the standalone "battle of stalingrad" that has DLC's that follow it? Or maybe make battle of normandy a standalone game and include the content from bodenplatte free and give a slight discount to owners of bodenplatte?
357th_Dog Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 I fail to see why catering to Steam at the expense of everything else makes sense. The problem is the way Steam lists titles, not the way 1C and company have structured their game
simfan2015 Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) Indeed Tank Crew is unique ! No looting boxes ... you get the tanks from the very start. There are older and basic looking (great though) tank sims, but AFAIK nothing as modern looking (4K textures) as Tank Crew (looking at Tank Battle simulators, not arcade-type gaming). Making it a seperate game because of Steam ??? ... IMHO not a good idea ... the perfect integration into the IL-2 BOX world makes it all worth so much more ! Edited December 7, 2019 by simfan2015
Wyatt Posted December 7, 2019 Author Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 357th_Dog said: I fail to see why catering to Steam at the expense of everything else makes sense. The problem is the way Steam lists titles, not the way 1C and company have structured their game catering to the largest western pc game distributor is always a good idea. Its the difference between making $ and possibly making $$$ I only made this thread because this DLC thing is holding all this great content back. Alot of flight game fans dont even know it exists. they talk on and on about how they loved playing IL2 and European air war and microsoft combat flight sim. But they dont know this exists Edited December 7, 2019 by Wyatt 1
Legioneod Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 Bodenplatte is standalone, the problem is that steam doesn't list it like that and the devs can't do anything about it iirc.
Wyatt Posted December 7, 2019 Author Posted December 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Legioneod said: Bodenplatte is standalone, the problem is that steam doesn't list it like that and the devs can't do anything about it iirc. they have a case for bias here because DCS is allowed to put their "DLC" as standalone pre release games and it appears on the "upcoming games" section of steam. So they are being treated unfairly here and i believe they should fight for it. I have multiple upcoming DCS things in my wishlist and im unable to even wishlist tank crew 3
O_DesoLunatic Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 I think part of the problem might be that Bodenplatte in title is not as eye catching as say Stalingrad, Normandy or say Berlin or Britain. 1
216th_Jordan Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, desolunatic said: I think part of the problem might be that Bodenplatte in title is not as eye catching as say Stalingrad, Normandy or say Berlin or Britain. That doesn't matter if it's not even visible. 1
Legioneod Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Wyatt said: they have a case for bias here because DCS is allowed to put their "DLC" as standalone pre release games and it appears on the "upcoming games" section of steam. So they are being treated unfairly here and i believe they should fight for it. I have multiple upcoming DCS things in my wishlist and im unable to even wishlist tank crew Not sure what you mean, everything (mostly) for DCS on steam is listed as dlc and requires the base DCS to play, nothing is listed as a standalone that can be used by itself. 1
216th_Jordan Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) If it would be possible to have different games of the Il-2 branch that use the same executable to be listed as different games rather than as DLCs on Steam that would very likely generate a lot more attention than the current setup. Also people would be less inclined to slam Il-2's 'DLC Policy' (which doesn't exist) For games such as Tank Crew I see at as incredibly important, because people not into flight sims (yet) will not even register it OR be forced to have BOS first, which they might not even have interest in. (Of course they could always go to the website - but honestly the very least of players does that research on something they don't even know about) Edited December 7, 2019 by 216th_Jordan 1
Redwo1f Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Legioneod said: Not sure what you mean, everything (mostly) for DCS on steam is listed as dlc and requires the base DCS to play, nothing is listed as a standalone that can be used by itself. I think he is saying that it isn't getting the proper advertising through steam as DCS does because of how steam has BoX internally organized. Being in the upcoming games list is actually a big deal as it gets the word out to all users -- and DCS is afforded this, BoX series is not. 2
O_DesoLunatic Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 Other food for thought: with so many DLCs released maybe it's time to release part of the Stalingrad planeset as F2P to get more people to try the game that would otherwise write it off. 2
Redwo1f Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, desolunatic said: Other food for thought: with so many DLCs released maybe it's time to release part of the Stalingrad planeset as F2P to get more people to try the game that would otherwise write it off. ....or simply having a free weekend of play (which is often done with many titles) could immensely help. (and also, correct me if I am wrong here - but the modules are really only DLC's in regards to steam (requiring BoS) - whereas if you purchase solely through the 1C store, they are all now stand-alones (correct(?)) - if so, it would be nice to try and get a change in steam so they are all stand-alones as well (though I don't know if that is possible(?) or can be done with them) 1
AndyJWest Posted December 7, 2019 Posted December 7, 2019 Unfortunately, most smaller developers have to go along with the Steam way of doing things, or lose significant numbers of potential customers. I'm sure that if this wasn't the case, IL-2 GB titles wouldn't be on Steam at all, given all the hassle and confusion it creates. 1
Jason_Williams Posted December 8, 2019 Posted December 8, 2019 We've already been round and round with Valve about how their system hurts us and we explored other options, but it would add even more confusion. We're well aware of the limitations of Steam. A thread like this does not good at this point. Just continue to tell your friends about BOBP and FC and all our titles. Thank you, Jason 1 1
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