P-47 Razorback with Malcolm Hood

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Not sure wether I like the Look, but in the Air it seems Practical to have.

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

Only very few aircraft were modified with the Malcolm hood, though.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

When has that ever been relevant with the Devs though? There are plenty of Mods ingame that were exceedingly rare, but operational.

 

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

igitt , ugly as hell......

[BlitzPig_EL]

1 hour ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

When has that ever been relevant with the Devs though? There are plenty of Mods ingame that were exceedingly rare, but operational.

 

 

Witness the one piece windscreen for the I-16, a prime example.

[Legioneod]

It’d be nice to have.

Razorback won’t have much to choose from in the way of mods unless they add an engine mod for 150 fuel and the Malcolm hood.(or more bomb options)

 

Itd be good to have just for some options.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Legioneod

[=621=Samikatz]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

Witness the one piece windscreen for the I-16, a prime example.

 

I think the biggest one is the Mg151 gondolas on the Mc.202. Five trial aircraft in mid-1943 and that's it and here it is in game

[migmadmarine]

They have been drifting away from those sorts of mods more lately. Those were more popular in the days of the unlocks system. 

[AndytotheD]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

Witness the one piece windscreen for the I-16, a prime example.

Or the EZ42 gunsight in the Dora

[=621=Samikatz]

Just now, AndytotheD said:

Or the EZ42 gunsight in the Dora

 

If it made combat units I'm much less fussed and don't mind it as something interesting. It's like the Spit's rockets. Only used by one squadron during the timeframe, but that squadron is on the map, so why not?

[PatrickAWlson]

 

1 hour ago, III/JG53Frankyboy said:

igitt , ugly as hell......

 

Yeah, but there's only so much a coat of lipstick will do for a pig ... ducks  

[AndytotheD]

5 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

If it made combat units I'm much less fussed and don't mind it as something interesting. It's like the Spit's rockets. Only used by one squadron during the timeframe, but that squadron is on the map, so why not?

Oh no, I’m in agreement. If it saw operational service and there’s data to be found on it then it is nice to have in game.

[Beazil]

1 hour ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

I think the biggest one is the Mg151 gondolas on the Mc.202. Five trial aircraft in mid-1943 and that's it and here it is in game

I have not seen a single server allow this mod for the mc202 other than say berloga or planes/tanks normal.

Most multi player servers lock this one, at least in my experience.

Edited December 5, 2019 by JG51_Beazil

[Bremspropeller]

But we're not talking about the Bella Macchina here.

 

Back to the hood on the P-47:

 

I'd much rather have the devs spend the time on a better damage-model on the Jug, HVARs on the -28, a proper selection of droptanks and possibly nape, and cluster ammo.

I'd also much rather have them make an early-ish D-Razorback, a mid-range block and a -22/-23 bird with the specific mods.

 

 

[sevenless]

Modeling the blown hood for the Fw-190 F-8 (same as D-9 hood) should be more important than this unicorn, additionally it is ugly as hell ?

[Voyager]

I'm not sure it was actually that benefitial in the P-47. The razerback had a thin spine and deep scallops in the back so I recall from the original Il-2 that it had pretty decent rearward visibility, even for a non-bubbletop. 

[Legioneod]

54 minutes ago, Voyager said:

I'm not sure it was actually that benefitial in the P-47. The razerback had a thin spine and deep scallops in the back so I recall from the original Il-2 that it had pretty decent rearward visibility, even for a non-bubbletop. 

Plus it has a decent mirror (same as P-38 except not see through) ,hopefully they don’t model the spitfire style mirror for the Razorback.

[Letka_13/Arrow_]

I like it, looks much better than the framed canopy in my (probably sole) opinion ? Though I doubt we'll see it in the sim. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

On 12/5/2019 at 8:24 PM, Rudolph said:

I like it, looks much better than the framed canopy in my (probably sole) opinion ? Though I doubt we'll see it in the sim. 

I'm not really sure how well I like it from the Outside, but it ads a lot of Combat Value. And a nearly identical Hood was mounted to the Mustang as well.

[Rei-sen]

Mustang with Malcolm hood looks great, but not the Jug IMO

[69th_Panp]

That one reminds me of my ex wife ?

big bottomed and ugly glasses

 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

So far no Pics with a Malcolm Hood yet.

[Atomic_Spaniel]

Hideous

[=X51=VC_]

It doesn't look any better on the Mustang ? from a pure external aesthetics point of view, framed canopies have a lot going for them. The blown hood only looks good on the Spitfire, and even then only because it's not that different to the flat original, and was replaced fast enough that it's just how we're used to seeing it.

[FoxbatRU]

It would be better if they made a version with a convex lantern cockpit in Fw 190A-8 (F/G).

[DBFlyguy]

44 minutes ago, =X51=VC_ said:

It doesn't look any better on the Mustang ? from a pure external aesthetics point of view, framed canopies have a lot going for them. The blown hood only looks good on the Spitfire, and even then only because it's not that different to the flat original, and was replaced fast enough that it's just how we're used to seeing it.

Blasphemy!

 

 

 

The Mustang looks beautiful with ANY kind of canopy LOL....well, maybe except for those extended "birdcage"  two seat versions ?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I think the Malcolm Hood is a bit like Cancer. It grows on you with time.

[=X51=VC_]

11 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

The Mustang looks beautiful with ANY kind of canopy LOL....well, maybe except for those extended "birdcage"  two seat versions ?

 

OK I'll give it to you, the Mustang is a good looking plane in all versions.

 

But it looked its absolute best when it was still dating Allison, before it married into the Rolls Royce family. ?

Edited June 28, 2020 by =X51=VC_

[MattS]

1 hour ago, =X51=VC_ said:

 

OK I'll give it to you, the Mustang is a good looking plane in all versions.

 

But it looked its absolute best when it was still dating Allison, before it married into the Rolls Royce family. ?

 

Allison was definitely much more "down to Earth" ?

[Lusekofte]

The malcolm hood on P 51 made aerodynamical difficulties with elevator and rudders of some sort. 
It is well documented and create a problem for the dev’s. Meaning it need a slightly different fm than without it. Never really heard if it did the same with the P 47. 

[Irishratticus72]

Galland hood on EVERYTHING! 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

8 minutes ago, Irishratticus72 said:

Galland hood on EVERYTHING! 

Are you trying to Trigger the "actually it's called the "X" Crowd? You know full well it's Erla Haube (Hood) and Galland Panzer (Head Armor).

[Irishratticus72]

13 minutes ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Are you trying to Trigger the "actually it's called the "X" Crowd? You know full well it's Erla Haube (Hood) and Galland Panzer (Head Armor).

In fairness though, the best plane of world war 2 was definitely American ... ? 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Irishratticus72

[Lusekofte]

8 minutes ago, Irishratticus72 said:

In fairness though, the best plane of world war 2 was definitely American ... ? 

Not quite accurate. Best performing maybe mid to late war. Due to excellent training on aircrews. Good machinery. 
But it seems to me Germany was ahead on innovation and had quite a few good future projects they had not time or resources to make operational

[Stoopy]

Every time I see pictures of that Malcom Hood on the P-47 or P-51, my mind's eye immediately sees this:

 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

30 minutes ago, Irishratticus72 said:

In fairness though, the best plane of world war 2 was definitely American ... ? 

I like to do a simple Parity Check whenever discussing Planes. So same Conditions Weather, Fuel, Airfield.

 

Put a later Mustang on the Eastern Front, 700m Cloud Cover, Mud/Dust Runway and the same Fuels as used by the Russian Aircraft (somewhere in the low 90s Octane) and give the Crew 24h to tune the Aircraft for Service (Supercharger Gearing, Adjusting Injection and Ignition, Test Flying and Essential Repairs/Improvements) and then pit them against one another in a War of Attrition.

 

Result will be a Mustang likely without Gear Covers and locked Tailwheel, Massively derated Engine (at best 52"@3000, ca. 1200hp) up against a Yak-9U or La-5FN at 1650 to 1850hp and far less draggy, thus massively outclassing the Mustang.

 

Reverse this to the Western Front, 2000m Clouds, Good Airfields and 150 Octane. Suddenly you can uprate the Yak or the Lala to Power Levels well beyond 2000hp, and their Airframes were already Low Drag to begin with, so they will also leave the Mustang absolutely in the Dust.

 

But generally the 109 and 190 always Shine in any Parity Check. Put a 109 into the RAF Hands and a Spit Mk.I to the Luftwaffe, and the 1450hp 109E on 100 Octane will run absolute Circles around and inside of the Spitfire barely making 1000hp on our 87 Octane Juice.

Edited June 28, 2020 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Irishratticus72]

1 minute ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

I like to do a simple Parity Check whenever discussing Planes. So same Conditions Weather, Fuel, Airfield.

 

Put a later Mustang on the Eastern Front, 700m Cloud Cover, Mud/Dust Runway and the same Fuels as used by the Russian Aircraft (somewhere in the low 90s Octane) and give the Crew 24h to tune the Aircraft for Service (Supercharger Gearing, Adjusting Injection and Ignition, Test Flying and Essential Repairs/Improvements) and then pit them against one another in a War of Attrition.

 

Result will be a Mustang likely without Gear Covers and locked Tailwheel, Massively derated Engine (at best 52"@3000, ca. 1200hp) up against a Yak-9U or La-5FN at 1650 to 1850hp and far less draggy, thus massively outclassing the Mustang.

 

Reverse this to the Western Front, 2000m Clouds, Good Airfields and 150 Octane. Suddenly you can uprate the Yak or the Lala to Power Levels well beyond 2000hp, and their Airframes were already Low Drag to begin with, so they will also leave the Mustang absolutely in the Dust.

But, but, America! ?

[Talon_]

1 minute ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Reverse this to the Western Front, 2000m Clouds, Good Airfields and 150 Octane. Suddenly you can uprate the Yak or the Lala to Power Levels well beyond 2000hp, and their Airframes were already Low Drag to begin with, so they will also leave the Mustang absolutely in the Dust.

 

150 grade doesn't necessarily imply increased power. Allisons for example were unable to take advantage of 150 grade and ran on the same MAP as they did when on 100 octane.

[Irishratticus72]

Just teasing lads, everyone knows the Japanese had the best planes. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

5 minutes ago, Talon_ said:

 

150 grade doesn't necessarily imply increased power. Allisons for example were unable to take advantage of 150 grade and ran on the same MAP as they did when on 100 octane.

It requires higher Supercharger Gearing. Which isn't impossible to do. On a Yak it would bascially mean making the High Gear the new Low, and adding another even higher Gear.

Edited June 28, 2020 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann