Is the P51 made out from the panzer armor?

[ATA_Vasilij]

bcs I hit the plane with  heavy guns quite enough and the Mustang still flies like indestructible.

 

nevertheless

Is it a plane like any other, or is it not?

 

[357th_Dog]

I’ve not found the P-51 really any more or any less durable than the Spitfire or 109.

 

A 1-2 second burst from a D9 is more than enough to inflict fatal damage to the P-51. While it may not take an entire wing off, it’ll put down mortal damage just the same.

 

 

[JtD]

If Chuck Norris was a fighter aircraft, he'd be a P-51 Mustang.

[Voidhunger]

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Edited November 20, 2019 by Voidhunger

[cardboard_killer]

10 minutes ago, JtD said:

If Chuck Norris was a fighter aircraft, he'd be a P-51 Mustang.

 

If Chuck Norris were a fighter aircraft, he'd be a squadron of F8F Bearcats.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

7 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

 

If Chuck Norris were a fighter aircraft, he'd be a squadron of F8F Bearcats.

 

Chuck Norris PTO confirmed.

[HansBlitz]

Fly one yourself for a while. I think you'll find it is like the others. I've had various damage when hit flying one. Depends on where its hit. Have limped some back and other times was wrecked right then.

[357th_Dog]

If he thinks the P-51 is indestructible holy cow keep him away from the P-38...

 

[FTC_crane]

1 hour ago, JtD said:

If Chuck Norris was a fighter aircraft, he'd be a P-51 Mustang.

If Chuck Norris was a fighter aircraft, he'd be piloted by chuck yeager.

[357th_Dog]

34 minutes ago, ACG_crane said:

If Chuck Norris was a fighter aircraft, he'd be piloted by chuck yeager.

The difference is Chuck Norris deserves his reputation 

[Poochnboo]

The Axis surrendered because they knew Chuck Norris was coming.

[PikAss]

3 hours ago, Sky_Angel-0- said:

bcs I hit the plane with  heavy guns quite enough and the Mustang still flies like indestructible.

 

nevertheless

Is it a plane like any other, or is it not?

 

Only because you are used to get quick kills on planes like P38, P47, Spitfire or the Tempest, it doesn't mean it's a tankplane. The gras is Always greener on the other side.

[MercCrom175]

Never see any mention of shot placement and or distance you engaged the tgt....  This has a huge effect, atleast i hope it does with this damage model..  Regardless the p51 was known for being very sensitive in regards to its cooling system being taken out.  Granted that was more AG stuff but still is a factor.

Edited November 18, 2019 by MercCrom175

[CrazyDuck]

Again, how do you separate the claim "P-51 is strong" from "German guns are weak"?

[CUJO_1970]

P-51 damage model got mixed up with the P-47 it seems, as it is tougher than P-47 and it's fragile liquid cooled engine system is more durable than the radial engine in the P-47:

 

 

P-51 will survive multiple direct hits by 20mm to engine and cooling system and keep running, like this one did (happens constantly, easily tested both online and offline:

 

 

It's wing root is also more durable.

 

P-51 engine and cooling system is also more durable than radial engine in FW190A-8, BMW801 dies shortly (within seconds) after even a couple hits from .50 cal:

 

 

 

P-51 is arguably the most durable single engine fighter currently modeled in the sim - probably only the Yak is as "durable".

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MercCrom175]

that is unfortunate and needs to be fixed

[69th_Panp]

s the P51 made out from the pansy armor?

 

yes 

[DD_Arthur]

1 minute ago, CUJO_1970 said:

P-51 damage model got mixed up with the P-47 it seems,

 

I don't normally go in for these sort of threads but......

[Rjel]

Not only is the Mustang indestructible, it's also too maneuverable, too fast and just too damned good looking. Please, continue to make all Luftwaffe A/C the best that's ever been.

[Lusekofte]

Hmm it took me seconds to get shot down in one

[357th_Dog]

1 hour ago, CUJO_1970 said:

P-51 damage model got mixed up with the P-47 it seems, as it is tougher than P-47 and it's fragile liquid cooled engine system is more durable than the radial engine in the P-47:

 

 

P-51 will survive multiple direct hits by 20mm to engine and cooling system and keep running, like this one did (happens constantly, easily tested both online and offline:

 

 

It's wing root is also more durable.

 

P-51 engine and cooling system is also more durable than radial engine in FW190A-8, BMW801 dies shortly (within seconds) after even a couple hits from .50 cal:

 

 

 

P-51 is arguably the most durable single engine fighter currently modeled in the sim - probably only the Yak is as "durable".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I doubt severely that you took multiple 20mm hits to the engine and cooling system and it kept going on like nothing was wrong.  I've been hit in the same way and the engine more or less quits after about 6 minutes...which is fairly realistic for the cooling system to bleed out. 

 

[CrazyDuck]

Just like always in such threads, all the "feelings", "beliefs", "assumptions", "certainties" and "perceptions" are completely and utterly meaningless.

 

What you need to bring to the table to support your cause are some real, repeatable, objective, statistically significant tests. Then and only then you can hope to catch an eye of the developers.

[MasserME262]

I shad shot down a lot of AI Ponys with a F4 with zero problems.

[Cybermat47]

Haven’t tried in SP yet, but I’ve shot down loads of Mustangs with little difficulty in MP.

[blitze]

Use the 109's 13mm mg's on a P51

They look pretty when falling from the sky in flames. ?

[PatrickAWlson]

4 hours ago, ACG_crane said:

If Chuck Norris was a fighter aircraft, he'd be piloted by chuck yeager.

 

Bad visual

[CUJO_1970]

4 hours ago, 357th_Dog said:

I doubt severely that you took multiple 20mm hits to the engine and cooling system and it kept going on like nothing was wrong.  I've been hit in the same way and the engine more or less quits after about 6 minutes...which is fairly realistic for the cooling system to bleed out. 

 

 

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But - the P-51 can quite often take multiple hits by 20mm and 13mm to engine and cooling system and fly much longer than 6 minutes. For example this Mustang was hit less than 1 minute into a QMB mission:

 

 

And landed after about 10-1/2 minutes with the engine still running:

 

5 hours ago, CrazyDuck said:

Again, how do you separate the claim "P-51 is strong" from "German guns are weak"?

 

One way is to compare German guns effectiveness against P-47 with their effectiveness against P-51. This is most readily apparent with wing root damage and engine durability.

 

 

When people report (as many are) that P-51 is stronger than P-47 they are not joking.

 

The issue is a little bit with the ammo, but it's a whole lot with the individual aircraft damage models it seems.

Edited November 19, 2019 by CUJO_1970

[=RvE=Windmills]

6 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But - the P-51 can quite often take multiple hits by 20mm and 13mm to engine and cooling system and fly much longer than 6 minutes. For example this Mustang was hit less than 1 minute into a QMB mission:

 

 

Doesn't really say anything if you have no idea what the damage was. This was AI I assume?

[D3adCZE]

I found nothing bad about damage model of P51. They burn beautifully.

[CountZero]

P-47 was tuff at start, then axis complained that it takes to many 30mm to blow it up so it was fixed, we already had axis complained about to good turning ability so tempest got fixed as it turned to good at low alt, and also hispanos are to good so that will get fixed, sone im sure,  and now P-51 needs to be fixed also to brake like glass, no panic guys it will be fixed sone and youll be able to blow up 51s same like 47s in no time.

[Lusekofte]

They whom cry loudest shall get. 
One of these days I will start a german 30 mm too effective tread or JU 88 is too hard to shoot down

[[DBS]TH0R]

I too have no problem with P-51 damage modeling. One pass usually knocks it out of action. Thank God we we have something more than one "hit - engine governor out" damage model like in some other flight sims.

 

If there is anything wrong with the damage modeling, then repeatable and standardized testing should be done. Preferably across different aircraft types. Then and only then will the developers have a more accurate picture.

 

29 minutes ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

They whom cry loudest shall get. 
One of these days I will start a german 30 mm too effective tread or JU 88 is too hard to shoot down

 

How strange, I find that when I'm flying Ju-88 that is goes down much more easily than lets say He-111 which is a tough nut to crack. ?

[RedKestrel]

9 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But - the P-51 can quite often take multiple hits by 20mm and 13mm to engine and cooling system and fly much longer than 6 minutes. For example this Mustang was hit less than 1 minute into a QMB mission:

 

 

And landed after about 10-1/2 minutes with the engine still running:

 

 

One way is to compare German guns effectiveness against P-47 with their effectiveness against P-51. This is most readily apparent with wing root damage and engine durability.

 

 

When people report (as many are) that P-51 is stronger than P-47 they are not joking.

 

The issue is a little bit with the ammo, but it's a whole lot with the individual aircraft damage models it seems.

Honestly, its probably not that the 51 is too strong, but rather that the P-47 in game loses wings at the root VERY easily, as well as control surfaces etc. Its engine also seems pretty fragile, more fragile that in-line engines in game in my experience. 

Compare the P-51 to a Spit IX, they're more comparable airframes.

[SCG_motoadve]

24 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Honestly, its probably not that the 51 is too strong, but rather that the P-47 in game loses wings at the root VERY easily, as well as control surfaces etc. Its engine also seems pretty fragile, more fragile that in-line engines in game in my experience. 

Compare the P-51 to a Spit IX, they're more comparable airframes.

You nailed it.

If you compare it to the fragile P47, it feels strong.

P51 is fine, best FM, DM in the sim IMHO. (And I fly German by the way)

 

[MikhaVT]

19 hours ago, Sky_Angel-0- said:

Is the P51 made out from the panzer armor?

 

 

Thankfully not. If the metal quality on the P-51 was like that of the Panzers it'd crack and fall apart after a single hit. 

[MeoW.Scharfi]

People who complain about P51s damage model, are used to see this..  (Timestamp set at 19:22)

 

 

Timestamp, just look how fast the engine of the second P47 quits, should the P51 change/swap the DM with P47 only that you see P51s engine quit so fast? Hell no..

Same problem is with the P38 elevator that flies off way too easy or the P47 DM overall(the P47s engines quit always like that when you read Engine 1 is damaged).. while the russian counterparts can take way more punishment.

 

Sure, there are moments where i am wondering how much some P51s can take, but i have these moments with shooting on Bf109s, Fw190s, Bf 110s, Yaks, Lalas, LaGGs as well...

 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2019 by MeoW.Scharfi

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, [DBS]TH0R said:

How strange, I find that when I'm flying Ju-88 that is goes down much more easily than lets say He-111 which is a tough nut to crack. ?

I have a much higher survival rate in JU 88 than I got in PE 2. 
But I get far less time in it and it seems Red pilots not often bother go up high and intersept me. My post was kind of a joke. I only flown P 51 twice with bombs and got shot down in one pass in both occasions. So I am kind of puzzled by this topic

[Voidhunger]

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Edited November 20, 2019 by Voidhunger

[357th_Dog]

7 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

 

Thats the problem. P51 is more durable and its good but other planes are from glass.

On the other hand P51 can take multiple hits from 30mm and while she is probably doomed after some time she is still flying and fighting(AI).

and I dont want old DM model back because it was ridiculous to see P47 eat 30mm rounds for breakfest.

 

We need separate DM model/durability for each plane.

 

 

 

 

Each plane has it's own durability and damage model

An error with one planes DM doesn't make another planes obviously also wrong. 

 

[Voidhunger]

22 hours ago, 357th_Dog said:

Each plane has it's own durability and damage model

An error with one planes DM doesn't make another planes obviously also wrong. 

 

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Edited November 20, 2019 by Voidhunger