Roland Emmerichs "Midway" (2019)

[PaladinX]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6924650/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

 

Has anybody seen it yet?

[Feathered_IV]

It’s great.  The best bit is where the plucky young captain who nobody believes gets proven right, and the target really is Midway.   Then he wins the war by rolling all the precious fuel drums down the beach to sink the Japanese carriers. 

[PaladinX]

Sounds like my type of movie ?

[Brano]

 The movie starts in cinemas across my motherland 14th November. I will definitely give it a chance . Few beers'n'shots before will do the trick ?

[Gambit21]

There’s already a thread - sneakily hiding itself under the heading “Midway Movie”

[PaladinX]

yes, but they talk about another Midway Movie (not Emmerichs)

[Lusekofte]

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2019/11/09/everything-about-blockbuster-midway-sinks-faster-than-japanese-carriers-at-midway/#.XcbOJw6P1fM.facebook

[blockheadgreen_]

Looks like complete cack

[pjmack11377]

I saw this last night.  Fantastic!!

 

[Legioneod]

20 minutes ago, pjmack11377 said:

I saw this last night.  Fantastic!!

 

My friend told me good things about it, said it had some "hollywood" scenes but was overall a great movie. I'm Gonna go see it when I get the chance.

[LukeFF]

Saw it tonight with the Misses and enjoyed it. No war move is perfect, but this honestly was one where I didn't sit through it grumbling about things they got wrong. 

[pjmack11377]

31 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

My friend told me good things about it, said it had some "hollywood" scenes but was overall a great movie. I'm Gonna go see it when I get the chance.

It's well cast, great acting, animations are great!

 

Enjoy.  I think it's worth it.

 

Patrick

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2019/11/09/everything-about-blockbuster-midway-sinks-faster-than-japanese-carriers-at-midway/#.XcbOJw6P1fM.facebook

 

LOL, that article is a reminder of why I tend to avoid Military Times and its offshoots like Army Times (e.g., THERE MAY BE A NEW PT TEST COMING. HERE IS WHAT ONE CORPORAL TOLD US). 

 

https://www.duffelblog.com/2016/03/army-times-50th-apft-cover-story/

https://www.duffelblog.com/2015/09/army-times-hackers-threaten-to-release-names-of-paid-subscribers/

 

I know you aren't in the US, so you wouldn't know, but publications like this are routinely laughed at by those in the military here.

Edited November 10, 2019 by LukeFF

[Jonttu1]

This movie was awful with basically the only saving grace being any scene with Isoroku Yamamoto in it. I was pleasently surprised at how much the movie spent on the Japanese side, showing the disagreements between the Navy and Army and between Naval leadership and what lead to them being caught so off guard. But on the whole the movie feels like a disjointed mess from start to finish.

Just like I feared based on the trailer, there is way too much unnecessary fluff crammed into this movie. Pearl Harbor is rehashed, though even that is done extremely poorly. The scene is ridiculously fast, I guess they're trying to invoke what a surprise the attack was, but everyone in the audience knows it is coming, so the surprise falls flat and the time we spend with Sully and Roy Pearce feels wasted. Then they smash in the Doolittle Raid, the Marshall Islands raid and the Battle of The Coral Sea, which glossed over when it at least affected the outcome at Midway. No mention of the Fleet Carriers knocked out at Coral Sea, which weakened the Japanese attack. This movie should have been nothing but the codebreaking, a bit of Coral Sea and then the action at Midway. Would have fit perfectly. 

 

And I have a hard time seeing how anyone that likes simulators or military aviation at all can speak positively of this movies action. The choreography of air fights is awful and overall it is just as bad, if not worse, than Red Tails. All it needs is Ed Skrein shouting to his gunner "Let me show him a little trick I learned." before he pulls his SBD into a vertical climb with a Zero sticking directly on his tail and somehow avoids him with a stall and hammerhead turn. Any semblance of strategy or tactics is lost and the airfights are simply bombers flying through ridiculous hails of flak or fighters to get absolutely destroyed or survive with no clear rhyme or reason why for the audience.

 

[Gambit21]

On 11/9/2019 at 11:27 PM, pjmack11377 said:

It's well cast, great acting, animations are great!

 

Lol  - ok

Great job with the SBD’s taking off/landing

 though.

 

I'll also give a nod to casting. I liked little known actors playing some of the lead parts as it helped with immersion a bit.

 

That said, go watch the Zero/B-25 sequence on Unbroken, and come back and tell me that those looked like real Zeroes flying around.

Tora Tora Tora as old as it is, and using Texans for Zeros did a MUCH better job with Pearl Harbor...the eeriness of seeing Japanese aircraft flying over, most people not even cluing in a first because there were constantly aircraft flying around anyway...they missed the boat on that.

 

Also all the Zeros constantly flying through each other's tracer streams etc, feet of the ground...it was silliness.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Gambit21

[Brano]

Hey, no spoilers! I want to see myself who will win....?....?

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Hollywood is on a pooptastic streak of making crappiest WW2 films ever. I wonder for what audience are they aimed for?I bet not for the WW2 enthusiast. An average Joe might enjoy them for the action. The equivalent in East are the new movies like The Tank etc. Holy crap the RMHS propaganda oozing out like smoke from mahorka. Utter garbage there too. Sam Peckingpah´s Cross of Iron or Big Red One, the original U-96 series, Tora! Tora! Tora! and others blow these latest war comedies to kingdom come. Movie makers are mocking the intelligence of the audience.

[Brano]

Hi Flanker. I do not expect anything out of that movie. We will be just a bunch of marry, half drunk buddies spilling popcorn and disturbing others,as usually ?

[Sokol1]

On 11/11/2019 at 4:02 PM, Gambit21 said:

That said, go watch the Zero/B-25 sequence on Unbroken, and come back and tell me that those looked like real Zeroes flying around.

 

Erhh, Zero/B-24.   

 

Yes, Miss Jolie and Rodeo FX did a good job in that movie. It's a shame it's an exception to Hollywood "Star Wars rule" for air combat in any movie. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by Sokol1

[PaladinX]

I saw the movie now and i like it

Great entertainment in an very interesting scenario ( i love the pacific theatre).

Its not Hollywood, its more or less a chinese production with a german director and some known faces from hollywood.

 

In my opinion better than "Pearl Harbor", less love story.

At the beginning, the dialogues are somewhat stupid - but they get better in the middle and the end. But some sentences are required to explain what happens for people who dont know the historic backgrounds.

The movie shows both sides more or less, of course with a certain weight on the winner, the US pilots. And i think they reproduced the thoughts and fears of some pilots very good.

 

what i miss somehow are the fighters on american side. where are the wildcats? not one to see.

 

I recommend to watch for everybody who likes aircraft in general and ww2 aircraft in special.

We dont have much choice when it comes to air combat movies.

 

between: the cinema was sold out on friday, saturday and sunday. was hard to get a place.

Edited November 13, 2019 by PaladinX

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, PaladinX said:

I saw the movie now and i like it

 

Glad you did.

A lot of people did. I had a good enough time being out at the movies. It was popcorn brain candy for me, little else.

 

3 hours ago, PaladinX said:

Great entertainment in an very interesting scenario ( i love the pacific theatre).

Its not Hollywood, its more or less a chinese production with a german director and some known faces from hollywood.

 

Point is, it's "Hollywood" in it's production values regardless.

For an example of something that isn't, see Band of Brothers, or even Unbroken to witness was aircraft should look like when flying.

 

3 hours ago, PaladinX said:

 

In my opinion better than "Pearl Harbor", less love story.

 

So we've established that's it's better than the atrocious Pearl  Harbor, and possibly better than a kick in the teeth. 

Agreed, with the possible exception of the kick in the teeth, my mind is still open on that one.

 

Tora Tora Tora did a much better job with Pearl Harbor...much better.

 

 

3 hours ago, PaladinX said:

 

The movie shows both sides more or less, of course with a certain weight on the winner, the US pilots. And i think they reproduced the thoughts and fears of some pilots very good.

 

Some of the historical perspective is outdated (what little there is) see the book Shattered Sword

 

3 hours ago, PaladinX said:

 

what i miss somehow are the fighters on american side. where are the wildcats? not one to see.

 

Not a one. 

 

3 hours ago, PaladinX said:

 

I recommend to watch for everybody who likes aircraft in general and ww2 aircraft in special.

We dont have much choice when it comes to air combat movies.

 

That's exactly who should stay away from it. 

 

3 hours ago, PaladinX said:

 

between: the cinema was sold out on friday, saturday and sunday. was hard to get a place.

 

Well lots of horrible movies sell tickets, no news there.

That's a commentary on what people gobble up, thus what the industry produces.

[Sokol1]

Saw the movie today - in a empty movie theater with reclined chairs, air conditioning, paying the equivalent of 2.60 US dollar. The popcorn and tea drink cost more.  

 

Overall I like, minus the cheese air action CGI (in Pear Harbor very meh!), and Hollywood exaggeration like the anchor used for kill Guido, what's wrong with the kerosene barres filled of water?

No BS love story, only some guys wives, what fit OK, but the narrative is a bit slow. The "AF" trick could be done better, a john doe audience may don't understand what happens.

But my "grognard" side like the good attention to the planes depicted, with their correct controls in cockpit, I smiled when the Zero pilot use the trigger lever in throttle handle to shoot at Guido.

 

Could be better? Yes, but was ways better than Pear Harbour, Red Tails.