Some questions about the 109 G-2.

[startrekmike]

Since that aircraft is (somewhat) right around the corner, I was hoping that some of you might have some insight as to what we should expect from it, how will it's performance compare to the F-4 we have now and what elements make it special?

 

  

[303_Kwiatek]

I expected G-2 would have little better climb rate and little faster at higher alts then F-4. Other hand it could be slowier at low alts ( beacause of blocked 1.42 Ata) and little worse turntime ( about 1 second worse).  In handling G-2 should be little heavier as it has weight increasing.

[Bladderburst]

Overall superior, slight degradation in handling. Faster than anything over Stalingrad at that time. The Russians didn't like encountering it and noticed the increase in performance.

[Endy]

On the screen showing the side views of the F + G versions of the 109, to me they look the same.

How the heck did the pilots on the other side know which was which?

[TJT]

On the screen showing the side views of the F + G versions of the 109, to me they look the same.

How the heck did the pilots on the other side know which was which?

 

The icon floating above the plane ofcourse!  

Seriously though,most of the time they couldn't. 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 All sides had problems on properly ID planes they engaged. VVS claimed engaging FiAF flown Fw190A when they propably were Brewsters or Curtiss Hawks. There are some claims of VVS Spitfires shot down over Carelia, but most propably they were Yaks etc. So ID was often a problem, especially in a combat that started and ended very quickly.

Edited April 9, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker

[OBT-Psycho]

there should be almost no external differences. the update from friedrich to gustav was more engine related until G6 came to the party with its bulged nose.

[EliteWing]

On the screen showing the side views of the F + G versions of the 109, to me they look the same.

How the heck did the pilots on the other side know which was which?

 

They didnt know,

And that was just how the Luftwaffe wanted it...

 

Although there is a very small engine tone difference betweem the models. Due to the engine updates between each model.

[Bladderburst]

On the screen showing the side views of the F + G versions of the 109, to me they look the same.

How the heck did the pilots on the other side know which was which?

 

When the 109 outran and outclimbed the yak it was a "new version".

 

Externally between F4 and G2 there is a window pane that is gone under the windshield on the left side... aside of that it's really minor visually.

 

So they could not see, they could only feel.

[=LD=Rulo]

I think that the f4 "hides" the tail weel and the and the g2 not. Off course if you can see something like that you are way too close.

 

Rulo

[Bladderburst]

I think that the f4 "hides" the tail weel and the and the g2 not. Off course if you can see something like that you are way too close.

 

Rulo

G2 still has the retractable tail wheel, or at least some of them have it. I think it's gone for good with the G6.

[MilAvHistory]

Performance wise, basically what has been said above. The Bf 109 G-2 looks almost identically to the F-4; as the Gustav line progresses, the changes become more 'obvious'. The little bumps between the engine for the MG 131 are probably the most visual of these as well as minor adjustments to the cockpit. As for the above mentioned wheels, I believe the changes coincide with the increase in the wheels shape. Should have been around ~G5.

 

As for what will make it special? Well, at altitude it'll be pretty good but since most fights will happen below 2000m, that won't matter so much. All in all though, it should be regarded as an upgrade from the F-4 - the F-4 will probably be taking a backseat but remain a favourite for some. At least that's what I expect.

 

Not sure if the Developers will implement it (probably not but maybe they keep it in mind when designing the engine), but the early introduction of the G-2 was hampered by oil temperature issues which could lead to engine fires.

[OBT-Psycho]

now that you mentionned wheels, I seems to remember that larger wheels were installed on the main landing gear of the g-6, leading to little bumps on the wings.

 

but once again it's for the G-6, G-2 should not be visually different from a F-4

 

and to support Bis18mark70, F-4 was considered by many LW pilots as the best airplane from their arsenal. It was capable, agile, deadfull. Later version were plagued by heavier engines, increasing their power but grieving their handling.

[ShamrockOneFive]

As you guys say... the handling between the F-4 and G-2 will be an interesting issue. I do wonder if many folks will divide time between the F-4 and G-2 depending on what they are looking for. Superior performance but slightly more difficult handling (I already find the 109 to be somewhat difficult) or slightly reduced performance but better handling. Interesting tradeoffs. I also wonder if there will be different unlocks for the two types.

[Matt]

I think i'll more often stick to the G-series.

 

Because assuming that BoS will be successful enough to get expansions, i guess we'll get the later variants aswell and getting used to the heavier G might help in the long run (unless of course those expansion will cover earlier periods of WW2, but i think that's doubtful).

 

I don't think that the G-2 will be the better plane than the F-4 in BoS though, as long as it's restricted to 1.30 ATA, but it should be more than enough to handle the current Soviet planes.

[OBT-Psycho]

in my opinion, G2 won't be the first choice of many. It could be if combat would take place above 4Km, but I fairly doubt this will be the case.

 

Experience told me most of the combat will take place between 2Km and 4km, even lower due to Il-2, but not in a good place for a G2. At this alt, you just have all the disavantages the G series brought and none of the advantages. 

 

maybe if Pe-2 drivers decide to fly and bomb from high altitude there will be a reason to take this gustav out of the hangar, but I mostly doubt on this.

 

The same happened when VVS received their Mig-3. It is a really wonderful plane...if you fly high. Or most of the combats took place at low altitude, not so great at all for mig.

[Bladderburst]

I don't know where some of you get the idea that the F is better than the G. What has been said is that for IT'S PERIOD the F was better. But comparing the F and G, the G is better. Luftwaffe units equipped with the G before and during the battle of Stalingrad suffered less casualties.

The F turns slightly better than the G but it was ill advised to turn with russian planes anyway. Aside of that the performance gain is certainly noticeable.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The G2 was the real alpha killer on old IL2 series. You could turn with Spitfires and was superior to anything that the russians had. I hope 1C takes 1 or 2 years to release another major expansion, so the killing G2s will reign.