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I/JG53_Kurtz

I/JG53_Kurtz

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Dear all,

a very long time since my last post...

I'm thinking to replace my old machine with a new one, I would like to have a longeval and medium/high performance PC especially for games like IL2 BOS and Total war series games. What do you think about this specs? (keep in mind that my budget is around 2000 euros):

 

mainboard Z370

CPU Intel I7-9700 8-core 3,00 GHz

RAM 16 GB DDR4

hard disk SATA3 1000 GB 3.5 7200 rpm

video card NVIDIA RTX 2060 6GB DDR6 OC

 

I'd really appreciate any suggestion.

 

Thank you very much!

 

Giovanni

Yardstick

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Personally I would go with an i5 CPU.  I doubt you’ll need the extra cores in the i7.  In games something like a i5 9600K @ 3.7 ghz (6 core cpu) will perform similarly and cost less.

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Jaws2002

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Just because now an i5 is enough, it doesn't mean you can go wrong with some extra head room for the future. 

The z370 motherboard is quite a bit dated now. I'd go with a newer generation motherboard, just to extend the support from manufacturer. The z390 isn't that much more advanced in features, but It's about on year newer and will obviously have longer support from the manufacturer.

  Don't completely overlook AMD!

Their new Ryzen 3000  CPU's are amazing. You will find a Ryzen 3000 that will match the i7 9700 in performance, at similar or lower price and the x570 motherboards for the new Ryzen have a lot more modern features. 

Just a thought. I never had an AMD CPU, but this time I'll switch. 

 

About the hard drive...if you don't have already a Solid State Drive, you should have a really good look at a PCIE SSD, instead of a spinning drive. Your computer will react much faster with an SSD. Faster reads, writing and much faster loading times for all applications.

This is a good time to buy SSD's. You can get a PCIE 3.1x4, m.2 NVMe, 1TB drive,  for under a hundred dollars and will feel like Speedy Gonzales next to a spinning drive. Just have to get a motherboard with m.2 NVMe PCIE support, if you don't want to occupy one of the PCIE slots in the motherboard. Most new motherboards should have it. Even a SATA solid state drive will run rings around a spinning drive.

Do some reading on the m.2 Nvme PCIE standard to have a better understanding of this cool and fast new drives.

Good luck and have fun. 

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Mitthrawnuruodo

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22 hours ago, I/JG53_Kurtz said:

mainboard Z370

CPU Intel I7-9700 8-core 3,00 GHz

RAM 16 GB DDR4

hard disk SATA3 1000 GB 3.5 7200 rpm

video card NVIDIA RTX 2060 6GB DDR6 OC

 

This is a very bad configuration. It would run games well, but the components are not balanced and the system probably doesn't have the best value.

  1. Do not get a hard drive. An SSD will offer much better system responsiveness and the cost won't be much higher. Hard drives do not belong in a modern gaming system.
  2. Depending on the display resolution you plan to use, I would consider a stronger graphics card. An RTX 2060 will be very weak compared to your CPU at any resolution above 1080p.

Depending on your location, the i7-9700 isn't necessarily the best CPU at its price. I would recommend comparing Ryzen CPUs with similar performance.

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LLv34_Temuri

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4 hours ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

I would recommend comparing Ryzen CPUs with similar performance.

Yup. This is something I've been thinking about:

 

ROG-STRIX-X570-F-GAMING    Asus    319,90 €
Ryzen 7 3700X, AM4, 3.6GHz, 8-core    364,90 €
Radeon RX 5700 XT Red Dragon OC    449,00 € 
250GB 970 EVO Plus SSD, M.2 2280, PCIe 3.0 x4, NVMe, 3500/2300 MB/s    Samsung    99,90 € 
Fractal Design    Define R6 - Black 139,90 €
Seasonic 850W FOCUS+ 850 Gold    123,90 €
G.Skill 32GB (4 x 8GB) Flare X (for AMD), DDR4 3200 MHz, CL14, 1.35V  299,80 €
NH-D15    Noctua    84,90 €
Total:        1 882,20 €

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Mitthrawnuruodo

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Yeah, that's certainly an option.

 

6 minutes ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

ROG-STRIX-X570-F-GAMING    Asus    319,90 €

 

Note that it's also possible to choose a cheaper B450 or X470 board.

 

7 minutes ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

G.Skill 16GB (4 x 8GB) Flare X (for AMD), DDR4 3200 MHz, CL14, 1.35V  299,80 €

 

I'm a bit confused because 4 x 8 does not equal 16. That price must be for 32 GB; it seems really high for 16?

 

For most games, and especially Il-2, 16 GB is perfectly adequate.

LLv34_Temuri

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Just now, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

I'm a bit confused because 4 x 8 does not equal 16. That price must be for 32 GB; it seems really high for 16?

My editing mistake, it's two sets of 16 GB kits.

1 minute ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

For most games, and especially Il-2, 16 GB is perfectly adequate.

Sure is. My current rig is from 2012 (with graphics card updated a bit later), so I figured getting 32 just to future-proof a bit :)

Jaws2002

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I noticed a bump in performance in almost all games when I went from 16GB to 32GB. And i have 11 GB of memory on the graphics card.

If you use higher than 1080p resolution you will notice it, specially when something else is running on the computer. I noticed the lowest frames increased and I get a lot less stutters.

 In DCS  the performance boost was a lot more noticeable than in BOS.

Jaws2002

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5 hours ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Yup. This is something I've been thinking about:

 

ROG-STRIX-X570-F-GAMING    Asus    319,90 €
Ryzen 7 3700X, AM4, 3.6GHz, 8-core    364,90 €
Radeon RX 5700 XT Red Dragon OC    449,00 € 
250GB 970 EVO Plus SSD, M.2 2280, PCIe 3.0 x4, NVMe, 3500/2300 MB/s    Samsung    99,90 € 
Fractal Design    Define R6 - Black 139,90 €
Seasonic 850W FOCUS+ 850 Gold    123,90 €
G.Skill 32GB (4 x 8GB) Flare X (for AMD), DDR4 3200 MHz, CL14, 1.35V  299,80 €
NH-D15    Noctua    84,90 €
Total:        1 882,20 €

Good setup. Just one thing I would do different here. I wouldn't get less than 500GB SSD.  I got my two SSD's back in 2009-2010 and back then i paid an arm and a leg for them. One 128gb and one 256gb cost me 700 USD. Now they are cheap. 

 They are both 90% full now. On the 256GB drive I only have DCS  and BOS  and I had to delete some skins and all screenshots to keep the drive under 90%.

I'd go for a 1TB or even 2TB drive. 

LLv34_Temuri

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2 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Just one thing I would do different here. I wouldn't get less than 500GB SSD

Got plenty drivespace already to transfer to the new one.

Jaws2002

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27 minutes ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Got plenty drivespace already to transfer to the new one.

Me too. I have another two TB of space on spinning drives, but It's better to have some extra space on SSD. Games grow with each patch and you can always use a little more space. SSD's and memory to some extent, are extremely affordable this days.

icecream

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I have no idea why you guys are recommending him to get a 32GB ram kit... really? it has no performance impact whatsoever in any game...

oh yeah in one game it has a fps impact of 3FPS... and maybe star citizen, but that's invalid.

 

the motherboard and the 32GB kit are simply overpriced and not needed at all..

like honestly what are u guys doing to this poor guy. 

 

Also, this is just an example of what you can buy under €2000 and with much better performance

the case I have just put in because.. this is totally up to you what case you prefer and whatnot.

 

loads of parts can be swapped here too, but I've just put something together as an example as I have no idea what resolution you play at, and which refresh rate?

but I assume you play at 1080P, if 60hz then this might be "Overkill" indeed.. but you can always pick up an high refresh monitor down the line if that's the case.

 

 

Just an example to the build that is posted above.. which I do not agree with but ok.

this build is cheaper, and faster.

 

just an very example, loads of things can be changed here, even swapping out the CPU to a ryzen isn't a bad idea, but you get the point.

 

 
 
 
€ 1.754,50
 
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Dakpilot

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There are two questions that need to be answered before decent advice can be given. 

 

What screen/resolution are you going to be using and are you going to be /familiar with overclocking cpu 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

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Voyager

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Another option: 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/683xGc

 

Il-2 is very single thread dependent so the 3600X has compatible PC mark single thread scores to the 9700 and 9900. The Radeon 5700 generally out performs the RTX 2060 base, thoighbit lacks raytracking, however Il-2 does not use it, and personally, I don't think the RTX 20X0 line have enough ray tracking bandwidth to really support it when it does go mainline, and the backbone comes out to about $1K USD, which leaves you money for other things. 

 

Also, for the hard drive I'm recommending the Intel 660p at 2TB. It's ~200 and it's quad layer flash, but for the type of use cases we are using it for, it will be just as fast as the most expensive Samsung 970 Pro M.2 drive you could buy: 

 

Alonzo

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On 11/1/2019 at 1:34 PM, Jaws2002 said:

I noticed a bump in performance in almost all games when I went from 16GB to 32GB. And i have 11 GB of memory on the graphics card.

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In DCS  the performance boost was a lot more noticeable than in BOS.

 

You might have noticed a performance bump in DCS, as it's wildly unoptimized and 32GB actually makes a difference, but you will have seen zero difference for IL2 and most mainstream games. Really kills me there's so much misinformation floating around the internet. ?

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Voyager

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22 hours ago, Alonzo said:

 

You might have noticed a performance bump in DCS, as it's wildly unoptimized and 32GB actually makes a difference, but you will have seen zero difference for IL2 and most mainstream games. Really kills me there's so much misinformation floating around the internet. ?

That may depend on how much is parked in the background. In the testing I was doing last night I did have something like a 24Gb of ram committed between Il-2, the VR program stack of insanity, and the three different system monitors I ended up needing to have running to see everything (FRAPS for the FPS, MSI Afterburner to get my GPU loading and Ram usage, AMD Ryzen Master to get CPU temperatures. Hello Mr Goldenburg...)

 

I haven't gotten to getting DCS set up yet, but I expect with VAIRIO (voice recognition) and SRS running too, it's just going to be worse. 

 

Though 16Gb should still be enough for Il-2 by itself. As always, you need to assess your use case to know what's going to be important. 

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Alonzo

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And you measured the difference in performance using a repeatable scientific test? I mean yeah, the VR software stack is a pig, but without cold hard numbers you’re just speculating. I see a lot of people going by “feel” instead of numbers and if you check the VR benchmark thread you will see how ridiculously difficult it is to even get repeatable numbers.

 

So no offence, but I don’t think you measured anything with a repeatable test demonstrating a clear improvement with 32gigs. If you did, great, please tell us your methodology. (If the methodology is “I ran fpsVR for a bit” that’s not good enough by a long shot).

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HawkerMkIII_

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Hello guys! Hopefully I’ll join the Il-2 player base by December... (I don’t want to start a new topic about PC’s because there’s already an existing one) can you please tell me at what graphics and FPS will this PC run? (1000$ budget) Thank you!

 

Processor : https://www.amazon
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Alonzo

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On 11/19/2019 at 10:56 AM, Manuel1723_ said:

Hello guys! Hopefully I’ll join the Il-2 player base by December... (I don’t want to start a new topic about PC’s because there’s already an existing one) can you please tell me at what graphics and FPS will this PC run? (1000$ budget) Thank you!

 

Can you post that as just a list of specs instead of an impenetrable list of links? ?

 

I think you're showing a 1660ti plus associated bits and pieces. Should be good for 1440p @ 60hz at least, I'd say. Pancake, right, not VR?

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HawkerMkIII_

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On 11/20/2019 at 4:44 AM, Alonzo said:

 

Can you post that as just a list of specs instead of an impenetrable list of links? ?

 

I think you're showing a 1660ti plus associated bits and pieces. Should be good for 1440p @ 60hz at least, I'd say. Pancake, right, not VR?

Jaja my bad! Yes, I plan to use a track ir. Thanks!

LLv34_Flanker

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S!

 

 Why do people attack someone buying 32Gb of RAM? If one wants to get it then let him, instead of bashing how useless that amount is. I bet Temuri for example does other things too on his machine than plays IL-2, so he needs more memory. And for the Ryzen a X570 motherboard is not necessarily needed. A good X470 or similar will do fine, if you want to shave off some from the price without losing in performance. And for choosing Intel or AMD, personal preference.

Mitthrawnuruodo

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5 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

Why do people attack someone buying 32Gb of RAM? If one wants to get it then let him, instead of bashing how useless that amount is.

 

There's nothing wrong with having more RAM, but there is no benefit from 32 GB in almost all gaming scenarios. When someone asks for advice to build a typical gaming PC with a limited budget, it is awful to suggest 32 GB of RAM.

 

Claiming that installing inordinate amounts of RAM improves performance in typical gaming scenarios without providing any evidence is just wrong and needs to be countered.

LLv34_Flanker

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S!

 

 Benefits or no is always debatable. There are a lot of videos on this issue that demonstrate this. 16Gb is enough today for a gaming rig and even some work being done. I would also recommend maximum of 16Gb if computer is solely for gaming. But if you do productive stuff like video editing etc. then I guess sky is the limit. I chose 32Gb just because I could. Got a good deal on the sticks so why not and does no harm.

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