Intel 9900ks released...great performance, but...LOL

[Jaws2002]

Special edition Intel 9900ks CPU was released today. 

 It's a heavily binned version. Of the 9900k, that comes stock with 5.0 GHz on all cores. 

It's gaming performance is marginally better, but....

  Tom's hardware has a review on it here:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9900ks-special-edition-review

 

and they praise It's overclockability....but: 

 

 

"As outlined in the charts above, we stress-tested the chip with both a beefy custom watercooling loop with two 360mm radiators, and a Corsair H115i AIO watercooler. Both cooling solutions facilitated a consistent 5.024 GHz clock rate, but air cooling doesn't seem to be a viable option. We paired the chip with a beefy Noctua NH-D15S air cooler, and at stock settings, the chip often bumped against its 100C thermal limit, which triggered clock throttling to protect the processor.""

 

 

So even with one of the most capable air cooler out there, Noctua NH-D15S, 9900ks is thermal throtling and is not able to sustain it's stock settings.

 Tom's hardware is calling this chip great overclocker, but then tell us that only a powerful custom loop, with two 360mm radiators could actually keep the thermals in check.  Even the corsair h115i AIO water cooler is too weak to overclock this chip.

  Add to that only on year warranty, dated motherboard, poor multithreading performance, limited edition chip only available until the end of the year, and you can see Intel is in trouble territory.

 

Sleeping at the wheel and price gauging your consumers for a decade will do that.

 

 

Edited October 30, 2019 by Jaws2002

[jarg1]

Since I already have water cooling I may grab one if available near list price but don't expect to see much benefit over my overclocked i9-9900K.

[unlikely_spider]

Also looks like it draws a huge amount of energy, which is something to think about. About 2x as much as my AMD processor.

[icecream]

19 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

Also looks like it draws a huge amount of energy, which is something to think about. About 2x as much as my AMD processor.

If you are buying an 9900KS or 9900KF, you are gonna overclock that thing above 5Ghz, in which power draw will not matter to these users, myself included.

[unlikely_spider]

3 minutes ago, icecream said:

If you are buying an 9900KS or 9900KF, you are gonna overclock that thing above 5Ghz, in which power draw will not matter to these users, myself included.

Power = heat, and if the first post is any indication, that seems to matter quite a bit in this application.

My 2700 is overclocked as well. Not nearly to 5gh, but the temp under stress and all cores at their highest clock is laughably lower than the temps quoted in the first post.

Edited October 30, 2019 by unlikely_spider

[icecream]

1 minute ago, unlikely_spider said:

Power = heat, and if the first post is any indication, that seems to matter quite a bit in this application.

It does, but why would anyone buy a binned 9900K with a Noctua cooler in the first place.. 

[unlikely_spider]

2 minutes ago, icecream said:

It does, but why would anyone buy a binned 9900K with a Noctua cooler in the first place.. 

A niche group of people who love the sound of a fan spinning at max rpm, and are willing to spend $600 to hear it?

[jarg1]

I just ordered one from Newegg.  Not a big net cost if I sell my current cpu.

[Jaws2002]

The 9900ks is not exactly expensive, when you think the base 9900k was $1000 just few months ago. 

For people who already have a z390 motherboard, a custom loop water cooling and want gaming performance above anything else, this 9900ks is actually a decent option.

 For someone starting fresh, it's not that great. 

AMD brings new more feature rich motherboards with PCIE 4.0 support, native fast memory support, more capable multitasking,  much better energy efficiency and more cores for a more future proof platform.

Can't wait for the Ryzen 3950x and Threadripper 3000 release, to see how those compare with this Intel chip.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

30 minutes ago, icecream said:

It does, but why would anyone buy a binned 9900K with a Noctua cooler in the first place.. 

Probably because Noctua high end coolers were often comparable to the medium grade AIOs and provided an alternative. One that did not introduce sound of water pump and did not create a risk of leakage. If Noctua cant handle that stock, than its something wrong with the chip, not the cooler. 

[ZachariasX]

Oh my.

 

From the German magazine c't:

 

 

 

 

 

So, same in gaming as the 3900X, significantly less punch than the 3900X in demanding workloads. In addition it runs on socket 1151, a platform that simply doesn't compare to AMD's. This is really bad for Intel. And it will get worse until they are on 7 nm. In two years time. As for now, the only thing Intel did was upping TDP and sell the same CPU all over again.

 

But if someone can put in that cpu in his i5 system... why not. It is a great chip for gaming, although it surely will test your mainboards voltage transformers.

 

Edited October 30, 2019 by ZachariasX

[Jaws2002]

17 minutes ago, jarg1 said:

I just ordered one from Newegg.  Not a big net cost if I sell my current cpu.

Congrats! 

 

In your case it makes sense.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

The best part is this: "Unlike Intel's standard processors, the Core i9-9900KS only carries a one-year warranty, as opposed to the standard three-year warranty period we're accustomed to."

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-special-edition-core-i9-9900ks-dollar513-launch-october-30-price-specifications-performance

 

It's pretty obvious that cpu cannot sustain this for extended periods and silicon will degrade faster than even any average 9900k, so they release it with limited to one year warranty. Nothing says it more when you lack confidence into your own products.

[jarg1]

24 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Congrats! 

 

In your case it makes sense.

 

I'm not sure that it makes that much sense but I'm going to see if I can get to a sustained 5.4 GHz overclock.  Currently I run 2 cores at 5.2 no problem so we'll see.  One nice aspect of the purchase is that it included the Intel Performance Tuning Protection Plan at no additional cost.

27 minutes ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

The best part is this: "Unlike Intel's standard processors, the Core i9-9900KS only carries a one-year warranty, as opposed to the standard three-year warranty period we're accustomed to."

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-special-edition-core-i9-9900ks-dollar513-launch-october-30-price-specifications-performance

 

It's pretty obvious that cpu cannot sustain this for extended periods and silicon will degrade faster than even any average 9900k, so they release it with limited to one year warranty. Nothing says it more when you lack confidence into your own products.

 

This isn't really a regular consumer product.  Enthusiasts probably aren't as worried about limited warranties.  Personally I'll probably be upgrading again in a generation or 2 to try to get better VR performance.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Who says its not a regular consumer product ? It's offered to any consumer out there. I dont know about all enthusiasts, but I defnitely count myself as one and warranty is an important factor for me.

[jarg1]

6 minutes ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

Who says its not a regular consumer product ? It's offered to any consumer out there. I dont know about all enthusiasts, but I defnitely count myself as one and warranty is an important factor for me.

 

Intel states "Gamers and overclocking enthusiasts will be able to take performance to the max with the 9th Gen Intel Core i9-9900KS Special Edition processor."  But I stand corrected regarding warranties as you are proof some people who consider themselves enthusiasts are concerned about the shorter warranty.  I am not.

[Poochnboo]

What is it with you guys with this overclocking stuff? With that much computing power, why is overclocking even necessarry? Just because?

[dburne]

I am running my i9 9900K at 5.1 GHz on all 8 cores, no AVX, with Corsair H150i Pro AIO cooler.

Core temps around upper 60's to low 70's, rock solid.

Edited October 30, 2019 by dburne

[DD_Arthur]

20 minutes ago, Poochnboo said:

What is it with you guys with this overclocking stuff? With that much computing power, why is overclocking even necessarry? Just because?

 

VR?

[jarg1]

1 hour ago, Poochnboo said:

What is it with you guys with this overclocking stuff? With that much computing power, why is overclocking even necessarry? Just because?

 

VR and 4K benefit. And just because.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, jarg1 said:

 

VR and 4K benefit. And just because.

 

Yep, because we can. Got my GPU overclocked as well.

[SeaW0lf]

13 hours ago, icecream said:

but why would anyone buy a binned 9900K with a Noctua cooler in the first place.. 

 

Exactly.

[Jaws2002]

For a long time Noctua was the best air cooler on the market and even today it can match and beat a lot of the low end and mid range AIO water coolers, both in temperature and noise. Only higher end AIO coolers and custom loops beat it, at much higher price, and with the added fail points and risks introduced by a pump and liquid running through the case.

 

It doesn't matter if those who buy this chip will use a water cooler or not.

    The fact that one of the best air coolers on the market can't keep it from thermal throttling, at stock setrings, is a good indication of this CPU's thermal head room.

 

[Poochnboo]

22 hours ago, jarg1 said:

VR and 4K benefit. And just because.

But with that much power, would vr or 4k be an issue.....even without overclocking?

[jarg1]

1 hour ago, Poochnboo said:

But with that much power, would vr or 4k be an issue.....even without overclocking?

 

Yes. I often see frame rates in the 70s on my Reverb so even with overclocking on both the CPU and GPU there is room for improvement.  You might suspect that the CPU is not a bottleneck, but there are plenty of benchmarks demonstrating improved performance with the faster CPUs.  Check the recent reviews of the i9-9900KS for examples of this.

[E69_Qpassa_VR]

On 10/31/2019 at 1:12 AM, dburne said:

 

Yep, because we can. Got my GPU overclocked as well.

You should try to OC the RAM to 3600cl14! I have mine like this

[jarg1]

I installed the i9-9900KS this evening and set the overclock to 5.3 on 2 cores and 5.1 on 8 cores and was able to get 15205 on Timespy.  My previous high score was 15011.  Seems completely stable too.  So mission accomplished.

3 hours ago, E69_Qpassa_VR said:

You should try to OC the RAM to 3600cl14! I have mine like this

 

Nice!  I am running 4300 cl17.  I haven't tried but I doubt I can tighten up the timing.

[Jaws2002]

17 minutes ago, jarg1 said:

I installed the i9-9900KS this evening and set the overclock to 5.3 on 2 cores and 5.1 on 8 cores and was able to get 15205 on Timespy.  My previous high score was 15011.  Seems completely stable too.  So mission accomplished.

Cool! It sure is a beast if you can keep it cool. 

 

Congrats.

 

 

[jarg1]

9 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Cool! It sure is a beast if you can keep it cool. 

 

Congrats.

 

 

 

Thanks, I am using a 560mm radiator with 8 fans in push/pull which works well.  Idle temps are around 30°C, going  to around 60-70°C under load. 

[Jaws2002]

17 minutes ago, jarg1 said:

 

Thanks, I am using a 560mm radiator with 8 fans in push/pull which works well.  Idle temps are around 30°C, going  to around 60-70°C under load. 

?

560mm radiator with 8 fans??

Dude, did you rip the radiator from your ford Mustang?

 

That thing could bring a new ice age. Lol.

Really cool.

Edited November 2, 2019 by Jaws2002

[dburne]

9 hours ago, E69_Qpassa_VR said:

You should try to OC the RAM to 3600cl14! I have mine like this

 

Might have to give that a try, mine is running at it's XMP profile of 3200 cl 14.

[Voyager]

I will point out, if you are omg to push the new Ryzen chips to their limit you also need high power cooling to get the most of it: 

 

 

And it *can* draw just as much power as the Intel chips, so do not think you can neglect cooling or power delivery just because you're using team Red. If you want to push ops, you are going to need power/generate heat, and lots of it. There is no free lunch. 

 

That said, I ended up opting for Ryzen myself this cycle because, for the Il-2 benchmarks, it appears that CPU Mark is what matters, even with Zen chips, and because I'm betting that Zen 3 will have a >10% improvement to close the gaps with the best I9's currently available. (The plan is to use a 3800X for now, and in 1-2 years replace it with the laat/best AM4 CPU, then use that until I'm CPU limited again.) 

 

Harry Voyager