Discussion about Yak-9, Yak-9T and Hurricane Collector Planes Announcement

[mattebubben]

I was pretty much expecting the new collectors aircraft to be for the Eastern front in order to balance out the new additions showing they had not completely abandoned the russian front

(as the Russian community is very large and many of them might be less interested in the Western front)

and in terms of the eastern front the Yak 9 and the Hurricane Mk II and very logical editions as they both played significant roles on the Eastern front

and were two aircraft that were missing from the 1941-1943 eastern front aircraft roster.

Edited October 19, 2019 by mattebubben

[Ribbon]

If my MTB allows me, i'll take both (or all 3).

Sooooo PTO announcement next as we all know it, but what battle we'll get first....Midway, Okinawa, Solomons?

[Motherbrain]

10 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

SBD with a four-bladed prop.

Gotta be a great movie if they can't even make a correct poster...

 Hollywood's laziness when it comes to even basic historical details really makes me mad to be perfectly honest.

[blitze]

On the news of the Hurri and Yaks 9's - Take My Moneh!

Love the Eastern Front Air War - from someone who grew up knowing nothing of it until later in life.  For air wars it is Battle of Britain, Eastern Front, Med and Island Hopping through the South Pacific.

 

On the subject of films - a recent once I saw which I liked - Lancaster Skies.

Not fighter orientated but I thought well done.

 

Pearl Harbor  - the recent version - long winded puke.  Take Tora! Tora! Tora! any day and the original BoB was one I saw as a kid on a re-screening at the local cinema and my parents saw the filming of it and almost drove of the road whilst on their Honeymoon.

 

Also remember the series Black Sheep Squadron back in the day.  Loved the Corsairs. ?

 

Goto watch some of the Eastern Front stuff available on YT.  On my stays in Russia and Ukraine I have enjoyed the old Soviet films of the War and other and would be interesting to see the more recent stuff they have worked on for the VVS

[Motherbrain]

50 minutes ago, blitze said:

Pearl Harbor  - the recent version - long winded puke.  Take Tora! Tora! Tora! any day and the original BoB was one I saw as a kid on a re-screening at the local cinema and my parents saw the filming of it and almost drove of the road whilst on their Honeymoon.

 

I watched Pearl Harbor on TV and It was a joke. Tora Tora Tora is a good movie. I like how it shows the battle from both sides. Its kind of like the Longest Day of the PTO.

Edited October 19, 2019 by Motherbrain

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

This is fantastic!

 

We'll need early western Allied planes as well in the future, and Africa  or the BoB.

 

Who knows what they'll got in store for us. Really glad this game is pumping out consecutively content after content, for non-crazy prices, on really great maps. Take note, DCS.

Edited October 19, 2019 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[PatrickAWlson]

Makes me think of some faux campaigns ...

 

Use western Stalingrad (again ... now that the Americans and Brits have cleared the area  ) to extend the eastern front into 1944

Use Kuban to create a 1941 Battle of Britain campaign with the Hurricane II, Spitfire Mk V, Me109 F2, Me110E, He111, Ju88, Ju87D.  All the right planes in the wrong year  

 

[Gambit21]

10 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Makes me think of some faux campaigns ...

 

Use western Stalingrad (again ... now that the Americans and Brits have cleared the area  ) to extend the eastern front into 1944

Use Kuban to create a 1941 Battle of Britain campaign with the Hurricane II, Spitfire Mk V, Me109 F2, Me110E, He111, Ju88, Ju87D.  All the right planes in the wrong year  

 

 

Before PTO was delayed,  I was fixing to use Kuban for a short Darwin campaign (P-40's vs Zero) if the Zero was released early enough.

[scram77]

14 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Before PTO was delayed,  I was fixing to use Kuban for a short Darwin campaign (P-40's vs Zero) if the Zero was released early enough.

The Darwin map was one of my favourites from 46, and I made so many missions with p-40’s vs zeros! Great fun!! 

[danielprates]

1 hour ago, PatrickAWlson said:

All the right planes in the wrong year

 

.... and place. But it would feel similar indeed! Funny to think how almost all the elements are there already.

[DD_fruitbat]

New planes are great, will buy them all.

 

New midway film will be infinitely worse than the existing midway film.

 

Midway would be a terrible next expansion, a battle that is so short has no depth to be an expansion. I cannot fathom requesting it as the next title. 

 

Far better to do guadalcanal, and coral sea (simple map, no land required) bolted on for longevity.

 

Anyway, i digress,  new planes are good....

 

Edited October 20, 2019 by DD_fruitbat

[Ala13_Super6_1]

I will not buy any more of the same, tired of so much yak

[Caudron431]

Nonsense!

 

No Yak so far has duralumin longeron construction or a 37mm canon!

 

The cg of the Yak9T and wing rigidity and shape should make the FM somewhat different.

 

As far as i am concerned fantastic news Many thanks to the Dev Team!

[Cybermat47]

On 10/19/2019 at 2:45 AM, TeufelHunden said:

why are we going back to more russian planes? 

Because Soviet planes are cool?

10 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Before PTO was delayed,  I was fixing to use Kuban for a short Darwin campaign (P-40's vs Zero) if the Zero was released early enough.

Perhaps you could use MC.202s as faux Ki-61s?

[Eisenfaustus]

2 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Midway would be a terrible next expansion, a battle that is so short has no depth to be an expansion. I cannot fathom requesting it as the next title. 

Longer than Operation Bodenplatte...

And that module also depicts half a year of operations around its name giving battle. 

[cardboard_killer]

I'm a great fan of PTO expansion, but a Midway only expansion would be disappointing. I'd still buy it, but one would hope that with the addition of carriers, some other bases would be mapped for attack, e.g. Rabaul.

[DD_fruitbat]

1 hour ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Longer than Operation Bodenplatte...

And that module also depicts half a year of operations around its name giving battle. 

So tell me, what happened at midday before and after the 3 days of the battle????

 

As opposed to what happened on the bodenplatte map before and after the 'battle', ie a hell of a lot?

[Danziger]

I'm pretty hyped about the Yaks to be honest. This is the Yak of all Yaks for me and a plane I've been waiting for a long time. 

 

I hope they do split the Yak into two planes. Not only because I would buy three collector planes instead of two, but I think they could do a great job milking some more variants out of two models instead of just one.

Edited October 20, 2019 by Danziger

[danielprates]

3 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Midway would be a terrible next expansion, a battle that is so short has no depth to be an expansion. I cannot fathom requesting it as the next title

 

Isn't this pretty much true for all carrier engagements? IIRC no carrier battle lasted more then just a few days, so under your logic not one of those famous battles merits a BoX. And I would sure like to see that someday!

[Cybermat47]

23 minutes ago, danielprates said:

 

Isn't this pretty much true for all carrier engagements? IIRC no carrier battle lasted more then just a few days, so under your logic not one of those famous battles merits a BoX. And I would sure like to see that someday!

Not one of them. But Pearl Harbour, Wake Island, the Coral Sea, and Midway in one game is another story.

 

I mean, you could have all four with just one standard 8 plane + 2 premium plane set:

 

IJN

A6M2-21

B5N2

D3A1

G4M1

USN/USMC/USAAF

F4F-3/4

P-40 B

SBD

TBD

 

Premium

F2A-3

P-36 A

 

 

Edited October 20, 2019 by [Pb]Cybermat47

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

34 minutes ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

Not one of them. But Pearl Harbour, Wake Island, the Coral Sea, and Midway in one game is another story.

 

I mean, you could have all four with just one standard 8 plane + 2 premium plane set:

 

IJN

A6M2-21

B5N2

D3A1

G4M1

USN/USMC/USAAF

F4F-3/4

P-40 B

SBD

TBD

 

Premium

F2A-3

P-36 A

 

I love this idea. U would just changed the P36 for the Avenger to later replace the Devastator.

 

I also understand that maps with so much water bodies and almost no need to change seasons could be make faster. So, I totally agree with you .... Pearl Harbour, Wake, Coral Sea, Midway should come all together.

Edited October 20, 2019 by 15[Span.]/JG51Spartan

[mpdugas]

Hurricane and Yak-9:

 

https://vvsairwar.com/2018/06/20/the-soviet-unions-hawker-hurricanes/

 

principium et finis

[ShamrockOneFive]

I haven't had a chance to chime in on this thread yet but I wanted to say that I'm very excited about getting the Yak-9 and the Hurricane Mark II. While I thought that maybe we'd be getting some Bodenplatte era aircraft, I can also see the logic here.

 

I'm very interested to see what variations the team can make with both types. The Hurricane is mostly about armament and I'd love to see everything from the IIA through to the 40mm Vickers S carrying IID if they can swing it (yes the Soviets received a few of these) plus the very cool Russian field modifications. The same thing with the Yak-9. I know they confirmed  the Yak-9T but I'm interested to see if they do anything more obscure like the Yak-9K with a 45mm cannon or the Yak-9B with the internal bomb bay. The 9B in particular was terrible from my understanding but I'd still fly it

 

Regardless, I'm very excited about these options that expand the scope of content already released.

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

Not one of them. But Pearl Harbour, Wake Island, the Coral Sea, and Midway in one game is another story.

 

I mean, you could have all four with just one standard 8 plane + 2 premium plane set:

 

IJN

A6M2-21

B5N2

D3A1

G4M1

USN/USMC/USAAF

F4F-3/4

P-40 B

SBD

TBD

 

Premium

F2A-3

P-36 A

 

 

My opinion also, if they go for Midway it will probably be more then just Midway battle, but well hopefully know in month time whats next

[Antiguo]

Thanks for thinking about the bomber pilots ....
We don't get new bombers, but we get new fighters to get us down.

 

 

regards

Edited October 20, 2019 by Ala13_Antiguo

[danielprates]

3 hours ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

Not one of them. But Pearl Harbour, Wake Island, the Coral Sea, and Midway in one game is another story.

 

I mean, you could have all four with just one standard 8 plane + 2 premium plane set:

 

There are the ships too, but they also were pretty much the same on those engagements. 

[cardboard_killer]

1 hour ago, Ala13_Antiguo said:

Thanks for thinking about the bomber pilots ....
We don't get new bombers, but we get new fighters to get us down.

 

 

regards

 

Does it really matter what you get shot down in?

[Luger1969]

Good news chaps. I have already determined my priorities to get as soon as possible:

 

Priority 1:

Yak 9 T

Priority 2:

Hurricane

Priority 3:

Yak 9

 

I may switch 2 and 3 around at short notice.

Edited October 20, 2019 by Luger1969

[TWC_Ace]

On 10/19/2019 at 8:41 PM, cardboard_killer said:

 

They've been released already.

Nope. Those are in premium pack.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

1 hour ago, Ala13_Antiguo said:

Thanks for thinking about the bomber pilots ....
We don't get new bombers, but we get new fighters to get us down.

 

 

regards

 

I believe the big challenge in the PTO is to how the torpedoes 

We all will have a lot of fun with that.

[Pict]

5 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

I'm very interested to see what variations the team can make with both types. The Hurricane is mostly about armament and I'd love to see everything from the IIA through to the 40mm Vickers S carrying IID if they can swing it (yes the Soviets received a few of these) plus the very cool Russian field modifications. The same thing with the Yak-9. I know they confirmed  the Yak-9T but I'm interested to see if they do anything more obscure like the Yak-9K with a 45mm cannon or the Yak-9B with the internal bomb bay. The 9B in particular was terrible from my understanding but I'd still fly it

 

This is along the lines of what I've been thinking too  much in the same way as we have the Fw-190A-8 that can be an F-8 or G-8 with options.

 

The Yak-9B would be pretty interesting with the 4 x (32 x 1.5kg) PTAB cassettes, although possibly not so much for the Tiger jockey's out there  

 

Any which way, all an instant purchase for me.

[andres43]

[onlyforbrian]

12 hours ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

Not one of them. But Pearl Harbour, Wake Island, the Coral Sea, and Midway in one game is another story.

 

I mean, you could have all four with just one standard 8 plane + 2 premium plane set:

 

IJN

A6M2-21

B5N2

D3A1

G4M1

USN/USMC/USAAF

F4F-3/4

P-40 B

SBD

TBD

 

Premium

F2A-3

P-36 A

 

 

I agree, put all the pacific battles in a package, you missed the solomons, and the the Mariannes turkey shoot, with AI Kamakasis ... and the F4U Corsairs 

[Cybermat47]

1 hour ago, onlyforbrian said:

I agree, put all the pacific battles in a package, you missed the solomons, and the the Mariannes turkey shoot, with AI Kamakasis ... and the F4U Corsairs 

You’d probably need a whole new planeset for those battles.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Surely will get the planes, if it helps to bring more in the future. 

[Tapi]

Not a great fan of these planes, but I will buy them all to support the devs and this great sim.

[=621=Samikatz]

22 hours ago, Ala13_Super6_1 said:

I will not buy any more of the same, tired of so much yak

 

We have 3 Yaks. As a comparison, we have 8 Bf-109s, and 4 Fw-190s (one of which represents about 3 different variants with mods)

[cardboard_killer]

6 hours ago, onlyforbrian said:

the the Mariannes turkey shoot, with AI Kamakasis ... and the F4U Corsairs 

 

There were no kamikazes at the Battle of the Philippine Sea, nor any Corsairs.

[onlyforbrian]

1 hour ago, cardboard_killer said:

 

There were no kamikazes at the Battle of the Philippine Sea, nor any Corsairs.

There were no yaks in the battle of Bodenplatte either, but we could do "What if" flights if we wanted, so what's your point?

[Chief_Mouser]

20 hours ago, 15[Span.]/JG51Spartan said:

 

I love this idea. U would just changed the P36 for the Avenger to later replace the Devastator.

 

I also understand that maps with so much water bodies and almost no need to change seasons could be make faster. So, I totally agree with you .... Pearl Harbour, Wake, Coral Sea, Midway should come all together.

 

Or they could start with Midway on its own then instead of Collector planes have Collector maps... Coral Sea would have to be a freebie though .