Discussion about Yak-9, Yak-9T and Hurricane Collector Planes Announcement

October 24, 2019

You guys are making me feel like a baby, I hadn't even hit puberty when I first played 1946

October 24, 2019

Well it's good to know it's not only us old fart millennials that are into flight sims. My first "sim" was Super Huey II on DOS when I was a kid back in the early 90s. When I was 12 I was blown away by the amazing graphics of 1942: The Pacific Air War. I got Il-2 at some game store in the mall when I was in the army and was blown away by how far the graphics had evolved in the genre.

October 24, 2019

16 hours ago, JtD said:

There are several Soviet pilots who claim to have fought in P-63's in 1944/1945 Europe, as well as German claims for fighting against them, including kill claims by pilots and AAA crews. This goes against Soviet records which state that only P-39's were deployed there. It's possible the pilots didn't know which plane they were sitting in, it's possible that creative accounting permitted the VVS to use the type when officially they weren't allowed to do so. Personally I find the pilot claims credible, and I don't care enough about the Bell fighters to get to the bottom of this subject and possibly debunk them.

I remember reading similar accounts quite some time back, just can't recall where or when. While I share a similar lack of interest in the Bell fighters per say as you, I do find the scenario and it's logic both plausible and interesting.

More specifically who would have prevented the use of what was one of the highest performance lend lease fighters available to the VVS at the time and why?

As even if only a handful were available and given that they could easily be misidentified for a much less potent opponent, would it not seem logical to deploy them and keep quiet about it?

October 24, 2019

10 hours ago, Tyberan said:

Is this something we will see more of, More collectible aircraft and tanks ? Very close to the RoF business model which I don't mind as I would like to see more aircraft and maps. If it supports fleshing out more of the game world I'm all for it

Yes.

If I'm not mistaken, the 109G6, yak1B, ju52 and po2/u2vs are all colector planes not contained in any il2 GB premium edition...

So the yak9 and hurry are not the first, probably won't be the last

October 24, 2019

5 hours ago, -LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor said:

I remember playing this with my father when I was 3 back in 2001. I blame him for my love of aircraft now.

Dayem I am getting old...

Still have my original boxes/cd's as well.

October 24, 2019

5 hours ago, Pict said:

I remember reading similar accounts quite some time back, just can't recall where or when. While I share a similar lack of interest in the Bell fighters per say as you, I do find the scenario and it's logic both plausible and interesting.

More specifically who would have prevented the use of what was one of the highest performance lend lease fighters available to the VVS at the time and why?

As even if only a handful were available and given that they could easily be misidentified for a much less potent opponent, would it not seem logical to deploy them and keep quiet about it?

But when your making game that have 5 airplanes for vvs side, then it makes no sence to make P-63 insted P-39Q that you have data on. In Il-2 1946 you could easy just add P-63 as it was in game, but when your limited on airplanes numbers no point for making airplane that is posibly used insted one that is for sure used.

October 24, 2019

Sure, I agree with you on all points, I don't remember suggesting that any aircraft was made though. Simply interested in the historical side of that little snippet of info.

That said I would very much welcome a Manchuria add on as I did when it came out for the original IL-2, should it ever happen for IL-2 BO?

October 24, 2019

Very cool! I think my copy of IL2 I bought used at an EB games in a mall in like 2004 was the Forgotten Battles version that had the hurricane on the cover. Bringing back some memories!

October 24, 2019

I wasn't much into flight sims in 2001. I was in 7th grade at that time and I got my PC as a birthday gift at the end of summer. FPS/TPS were the games I was most interested in (I still like them), then some racing games, etc. First flight sim I bought was Jane's USAF. I liked it, it was cool shooting down aircraft with missiles, it had some interesting missions, but I can't say I was hooked up. I played it occasionally. I was a frequent visitor of our local mall where I was hanging out near the stands with numerous games and there was one game that caught my eye. It had a nice looking prop aircraft painted in camo firing it's machine guns and some other planes in the background. I liked the look of that aircraft, it's narrow nose, the prop the spinner. I had no idea what kind of aircraft it was, however, by the looks of it I understood that the game was about WWII. The title said "Battle of Britain", it was Rowan's Battle of Britain and the aircraft on the CD box picture was Spitfire. By that time I played Medal of Honor and was interested in WWII. I didn't buy it immediately, it took few more visits to the store, I was inspecting every inch of the CD box, especially the screenshots, reading description. Then finally I decided to give it a go. Initially, it was a bit confusing with a lot of controls and the strategic mode but I got a hang of it. Although, I was struggling in dogfights, since I was playing with my keyboard and I didn't use head movements at all, I liked the game and I really liked the look of Spitfires and Hurricanes. I even was waking up very early in the morning, about 6am during Summer holidays to play the game without being distracted. It also felt more immersive to me as I imagined myself as one of the fighter pilots waking up early for an important mission? Yet it didn't make me a flight sim fan. I lost interest to in after a while. Graphics wasn't great and controls were too complicated.

Then another game with a piston aircraft on it's title picture appeared on the shelves. It was original Il-2 Sturmovik. Although I liked the look of the plane on the picture, I was just looking at it without even picking it up to read the description. I didn't think it would be much different from the previous game. So I was visiting that store again and again, picking up new games and just looking at the Il-2 Sturmovik cd. Then I remember that we had an excursion to a nearby town with our class to visit local museums and other places of interest. We had about an hour or two of free time when we could hang around to get some food and souvenirs. Instead of buying souvenirs I felt like I really needed to buy a new game, lol. So my friends and I went to the mall nearby where we quickly found PC games store. While my friends got some FPS or racing games, I finally decided to buy Il-2 Sturmovik. When I got back home in the evening, installed the game and fired it up my jaw dropped. I never imagined a flight sim could be that good. Next day it was the only thing I was talking about with my friends at school. I've invited them to check it out, everybody was amazed. Some of them bought it later as well. So not only we had a great time playing it, we also enjoyed discussions at school, sharing our experience the next day. That game sparked my interest in WWII aircraft. I played it a lot, learned the Encyclopedia section about all the planes. Then I bought couple of books about WWII aircraft, learned a lot about their specs, the progress of their development during each ear of the war. Then Forgotten Battles came out with even more planes and features. Yeah, those were a great memories!

Edited October 25, 2019 by Arthur-A

October 25, 2019

I played the old IL2 daily back then... I bought everything they put out. I have all the boxes and expansions on my gaming shelf still. I could not believe how good the game was, even the demo.

I still keep it installed on my HD as I go back to it every now and then... I'll tell you one thing, some of my best flight sim moments were with that game, especially in the big online wars, they were absolutely fantastic.

I can only say, thank you Oleg...

Edited October 25, 2019 by Trooper117

October 25, 2019

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

I played the old IL2 daily back then... I bought everything they put out. I have all the boxes and expansions on my gaming shelf still. I could not believe how good the game was, even the demo.

I still keep it installed on my HD as I go back to it every now and then... I'll tell you one thing, some of my best flight sim moments were with that game, especially in the big online wars, they were absolutely fantastic.

I can only say, thank you Oleg...

lol... same here, but you outdid me, I somehow missed "Battle Over Europe" and "Ostfront" Were they just missions, or were there any premium planes?

Edited October 25, 2019 by onlyforbrian
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October 25, 2019

31 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

lol... same here, but you outdid me, I somehow missed "Battle Over Europe" and "Ostfront" Were they just missions, or were there any premium planes?

Ostfront and Battle over Europe were, I believe, licensed third party campaigns. If I'm remembering right.

October 25, 2019

5 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Ostfront and Battle over Europe were, I believe, licensed third party campaigns. If I'm remembering right.

Ahh! But you haven't got Operation Barbarosa.

October 25, 2019

On 10/22/2019 at 1:30 PM, BlackSix said:

Yes, we hope only the LaGGs appear.

Which reminds me...LaGG, Yak9...Crimea 1944 Campaign! BoC, dingdingdingding!!!

Edited October 25, 2019 by Mac_Messer

October 25, 2019

This thread is not about old IL-2.

Jason

October 25, 2019

I always wonder who will fly with only 30 rounds in the "Yak-9T". The "Yak-9UT" makes more sense because for the larger different weapon loadout how the "Lagg-3" has.

October 25, 2019

7 minutes ago, Livai said:

I always wonder who will fly with only 30 rounds in the "Yak-9T". The "Yak-9UT" makes more sense because for the larger different weapon loadout how the "Lagg-3" has.

Not much different than the P-39. I believe the 37mm in the Yak-9 has a flatter trajectory too. I will fly with it, just wait to get really close and use the HMG in the nose for deflection shots.

October 25, 2019

?

The NS37 is definitely a lot flatter trajectory and higher velocity (also much higher recoil).

I can't wait to get in the Yak-9. I'm already salivating at the thought of an La-7 in the future.

October 26, 2019

After getting very excited about my Yaks being added, (seriously add the Yak 3 please) I started to look at the production numbers for the 9. It’s credited with being one of the most produced planes of the war, but the variants are hard to come across the specific numbers.

For example, the only source I could find said only ~450 Yak 9 (no variant) were built. Another one said the Yak 9U had over 1000 planes built between April and December of one year.

added on to the fact that people only seem comfortable in saying the Yak 9D has 4000 models.

October 26, 2019

The most produced Yak-9's with the M-105 engine were the Yak-9M (4200), Yak-9D (3100) and Yak-9T (2700).

October 26, 2019

The 9T has my attention for sure. It will be interesting against the Ju 88 and He111.

October 26, 2019

26 minutes ago, JtD said:

The most produced Yak-9's with the M-105 engine were the Yak-9M (4200), Yak-9D (3100) and Yak-9T (2700).

just because I’d like to look at these numbers more, VK-107 included, can you provide the rest of the serial productions or the source link.

Is there not an innate Yak 9 no variant though?

October 27, 2019

22 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Not much different than the P-39.

Really? - Once the 37 mm runs out of ammo you have a single nose UB machine gun where the "P-39" has two nose Browning M2 machine guns........

I wonder if I we can turn the "Yak-9T" into a "Yak-9K" with 45mm cannon because these planes look very similar when I compare screenshots from these two planes???

October 27, 2019

2 hours ago, Livai said:

I wonder if I we can turn the "Yak-9T" into a "Yak-9K" with 45mm cannon because these planes look very similar when I compare screenshots from these two planes???

45mm cannon, same airframe. Granted only 54 were ever built.

October 27, 2019

22 minutes ago, Off said:

Granted only 54 were ever built.

So more built than the number of Tiger tanks at Kursk

October 27, 2019

7 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

So more built than the number of Tiger tanks at Kursk

There were around 211 Tigers at Kursk (and 90 Ferdinands). There were only 15 Tigers (and no Ferdinands) at Prokhorovka, though.

Edited October 27, 2019 by [Pb]Cybermat47

October 27, 2019

Yes, I know (I recommend Zetterling's Kursk: A Statistical Analysis to anyone interested). Still, there's a lot of low production German equipment that people can't live without, but 45 Yak-9Ts!

October 27, 2019

On 10/25/2019 at 8:00 PM, Livai said:

I always wonder who will fly with only 30 rounds in the "Yak-9T". The "Yak-9UT" makes more sense because for the larger different weapon loadout how the "Lagg-3" has.

Well since my biggest problem usually with the Shvaks in the Yak-7 and Yak-1s is how inconsistent their damage is and how ridiculously many hits they can take to down an enemy, I'll definitely welcome a bigger, high velocity cannon with a nearly guaranteed one hit kill. It'll require some getting used to with the rate of fire in deflections, so you're not wasting shots by letting enemies fly through them, but it will be absolutely deadly in a bounce.

October 27, 2019

On 10/25/2019 at 3:18 PM, Trooper117 said:

. I'll tell you one thing, some of my best flight sim moments were with that game, especially in the big online wars, they were absolutely fantastic.

From the old good days...Cech War !!

Edited October 27, 2019 by ITAF_Rani

October 28, 2019

I've never had the chance to pre-order a collector's plane as I've only been playing this sim for under a year, but I have been convinced to purchase all new collector's planes solely so that I can support the developers and encourage as many collector's planes as possible.

I also love the idea of other collector's items, such as maps, or even special weapons (like 75mm on Hs129)...although that might not work to well with maps, as for people who play mainly multiplayer, it wouldn't matter if they owned it or not, as it's all based on what the server owner has.

October 28, 2019

Great that we get this baby both in GB and CloD.

October 28, 2019

23 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

Yes, I know (I recommend Zetterling's Kursk: A Statistical Analysis to anyone interested). Still, there's a lot of low production German equipment that people can't live without, but 45 Yak-9Ts!

I wonder what "low production German equipment" you are talking about? So far we only have German mainstay aircraft from all respective theatres (counting the A3 to Kuban).

That can't be said about the Allied side though. They already have one aircraft which was not used in any current theatre (La 5-FN) and get two more (Yak 9, Yak 9-T).

Adding a further aircraft that doesn't even fit the eastern timeline anywhere close and was never used in any numbers because of huge problems with the airframe should stay War Thunder territory. Otherwise we can next include the Me163, Do335 and Ta152 and throw them into the servers.

I like the current approach of the Devs to only use aircraft that have been used in worthy numbers (even though i would prefer only using aircraft that also fit the theatres). There are a lot of important aircraft missing from the eastern front that even fit the scenarios - P39-N, Do-217, early Yak1 and Lagg3 (for Moscow), Su-2, IAR 80/81. Those should be included before including fantasy aircraft from different times.

October 28, 2019

4 minutes ago, II./JG77_Manu* said:

I wonder what "low production German equipment" you are talking about? So far we only have German mainstay aircraft from all respective theatres (counting the A3 to Kuban).

The Tiger, Panther, and Ferdinand were all very low production compared to other tanks and tank destroyers of the time, especially at Prokhorovka - only 15 Tigers took part in that battle. And only 91 Ferdinands and Elefants were ever built!

Edited October 28, 2019 by [Pb]Cybermat47

October 28, 2019

18 minutes ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

The Tiger, Panther, and Ferdinand were all very low production compared to other tanks and tank destroyers of the time, especially at Prokhorovka - only 15 Tigers took part in that battle. And only 91 Ferdinands and Elefants were ever built!

If we take Tanks into consideration, the initial statement might be closer to the truth - but still quite a difference to the Yak 9-K. Tiger and Panther weren't "very low production". Taking the total number of German tanks at the respective times into consideration and the "normal" ratio between those heavy tanks and other lighter tanks, it's quite normal. Just as with the aircraft in latter stages of the war, there just weren't that many German tanks around. Just taking total numbers is not very useful.

Edited October 28, 2019 by II./JG77_Manu*

October 28, 2019

12 minutes ago, II./JG77_Manu* said:

If we take Tanks into consideration, the initial statement might be closer to the truth

Believe it or not, "equipment" doesn't mean "just aircraft". At Prok. there were more Churchills, Lees, and Valentines than Tigers.

Edited October 28, 2019 by cardboard_killer

October 28, 2019

24 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

Believe it or not, "equipment" doesn't mean "just aircraft". At Prok. there were more Churchills, Lees, and Valentines than Tigers.

Still more Tigers in Prok. then La5-FN or Yak9 in/over Kuban ?

October 28, 2019

4 hours ago, sevenless said:

Great that we get this baby both in GB and CloD.

what game is this?

October 28, 2019

Cliffs of Dover - DLC Africa (not yet released)

October 28, 2019

18 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

what game is this?

Cliffs of Dover

October 28, 2019

2 hours ago, II./JG77_Manu* said:

Yak9 in/over Kuban ?

YaK-9 are correct, is the T model that is not correct

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