Is it worth the upgrade?

[SAG]

So, I currently have an Oculus rift CV1 and was wondering if upgrading to a Rift S would be worth the upgrade?

 

I would only really use it for IL2:GB.

 

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[SR-F_Winger]

without being a Rift user (Index) I would propose rather going with the Quest.
It will be usable with your gaming pc in the future and you also have a higher resolution i believe.

[The_Ant]

I had a cv1 and upgraded for a rift-s,and im happy,better Picture clarity in the rift s,only drawback is it 40fps for asw on and 80 off and that it is very warm.You can take off lower nose strap in the rift s so you can see you keyboard like in cv1 if you like.

[SAG]

3 minutes ago, Winger said:

without being a Rift user (Index) I would propose rather going with the Quest.
It will be usable with your gaming pc in the future and you also have a higher resolution i believe.

 

Is the quest cheaper/better?  I would suspect that feature would introduce some kind of latency for the quest, or maybe it wouldn't be as good as the rift S in some other way.  wouldn't that render one of their products useless?

 

4 minutes ago, The_Ant said:

I had a cv1 and upgraded for a rift-s,and im happy,better Picture clarity in the rift s,only drawback is it 40fps for asw on and 80 off and that it is very warm.You can take off lower nose strap in the rift s so you can see you keyboard like in cv1 if you like.

 

Do you think it is worth the money though? what about the audio, is it good enough?

[The_Ant]

if you have the Money sure,for me the better Picture in rift-s vs cv1 was  why i changed,About audio,dont know  about that since im deaf on 1 ear and severe loss of hearing on other ear.have tried it, it was for me ok,but for others with good hearing i dont know.im using a Logitech G333 wireless headset instead,and it fits nicely over the rift-s.

Edited October 15, 2019 by The_Ant

[Guest deleted@134347]

I'd upgrade to Index instead. Yes, it'll require external base stations (instead of Rift-S insideout tracking), however the resolution bump, SDE, clarity, etc will be much better than Rift-S.

 

don't forget to overclock your CPU to at least 4.7 GHZ.

 

 

[SR-F_Winger]

26 minutes ago, SAG said:

 

Is the quest cheaper/better?  I would suspect that feature would introduce some kind of latency for the quest, or maybe it wouldn't be as good as the rift S in some other way.  wouldn't that render one of their products useless?

 

 

Do you think it is worth the money though? what about the audio, is it good enough?

Your right they basically cannibalize their own product with that.
I think the latency isnt an issue since you tether the headset via USB 3.x i believe.
I am not sure about the price. Would need to google it.
EDIT: Just checked. The quest is just 40 Bucks more expensive here in Germany.
On all the other things (FOV etc. you would need to check your self). I just wanted to make this suggestion because i think its a pretty interesting option to pay once and have a standalone and a tethered PC headset at once.

I read that they would love to make this feature wireless some day. Here is an article:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/27/20885082/oculus-quest-home-headset-lineup-oc6

Edited October 15, 2019 by Winger

[Guest deleted@134347]

Quest is a stand-alone HMD, it doesn't need a PC and runs its own version of Android. Currently,  there's no plug&play way for it to connect to PC, however it's coming in November via some Oculus Link software.

 

https://www.oculus.com/blog/oculus-quest-at-oc6-introducing-hand-tracking-oculus-link-passthrough-on-quest-and-more/?locale=en_US

 

Knowing the CPU/GPU hungry IL-2 combined with a streaming app such as "oculus Link" I feel it can result in a subpar experience. Point is, it's a gamble. Instead focus on getting the HMD that's built specifically for PC gaming.

[Lusekofte]

It is far better than cv1 for me. It was the one I waited for. I did not go for index since it demand more from my hardware in special in DCS and my current space do not allows for distance to basestation. 
worth it? I birrowed a CV 1 for month and prefered two screen instead. Now I prefer Rift S 

I guess if your satisfyed with CV 1 it is not worth it. Audio Is great in my opinion. The sound is in the lining in your forhead it is not all surronding you so my wife can ask me stuff and I hear her. 
if you want to be in a world alone headphones are needed 

Edited October 15, 2019 by LuseKofte

[haltux]

23 hours ago, Winger said:

without being a Rift user (Index) I would propose rather going with the Quest.
It will be usable with your gaming pc in the future and you also have a higher resolution i believe.

 

Additionaly, the Quest runs at 72 Hz. Sounds to me like a sweet spot to me for IL2. Not as good as 90 but more achievable, and much better than the awful 45 Hz and the constant vibration/duplication of moving objects that we have to deal with today.

[SAG]

23 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

It is far better than cv1 for me. It was the one I waited for. I did not go for index since it demand more from my hardware in special in DCS and my current space do not allows for distance to basestation. 
worth it? I birrowed a CV 1 for month and prefered two screen instead. Now I prefer Rift S 

I guess if your satisfyed with CV 1 it is not worth it. Audio Is great in my opinion. The sound is in the lining in your forhead it is not all surronding you so my wife can ask me stuff and I hear her. 
if you want to be in a world alone headphones are needed 

 

You got me reading up a lot on the Rift with your comment (thank you) but with all the "FOV varies a lot among users" deal, I've decided to hold off buying until I get a chance to test it. I still remember the DK2 having the best feeling of presence  (too bad it had terrible SDE and resolution) due to its superb FOV.

 

1 hour ago, haltux said:

 

Additionaly, the Quest runs at 72 Hz. Sounds to me like a sweet spot to me for IL2. Not as good as 90 but more achievable, and much better than the awful 45 Hz and the constant vibration/duplication of moving objects that we have to deal with today.

 

 

I've read that the quest will get tethered VR in the future as an 80 dollar optical (or something similar) addon, and i'm perfectly fine with 72Hz but that headset is just as expensive as the Rift S (where I live anyway) without the Tether upgrade, so I don't think tI is not worth it for me. 

 

and I don't remember it having better res than the S, does it really?

[haltux]

2 hours ago, SAG said:

and I don't remember it having better res than the S, does it really?

 

It does, 2880x1600 instead of 2560x1440. Lighter, too. Less camera for the tracking, though.

[Field-Ops]

Despite the beter resolution on the Quest ive seen reviews of people preferring the S instead. I have an S myself and a Pimax 5k+, I used to own a CV1 but gave it away to a friend. I actually prefer my Oculus S  over all three and need to offload the Pimax I invested so much into to try and love. 

 

Bottom line is, go for the S. Its nice in resolution and you can disable ASW with Right Ctrl + Numpad 3. Its how I normally use it so it doesnt go down to the lower FPS. I can deal with the inbetwen FPS states just fine.

[SAG]

19 minutes ago, Field-Ops said:

Despite the beter resolution on the Quest ive seen reviews of people preferring the S instead. I have an S myself and a Pimax 5k+, I used to own a CV1 but gave it away to a friend. I actually prefer my Oculus S  over all three and need to offload the Pimax I invested so much into to try and love. 

 

Bottom line is, go for the S. Its nice in resolution and you can disable ASW with Right Ctrl + Numpad 3. Its how I normally use it so it doesnt go down to the lower FPS. I can deal with the inbetwen FPS states just fine.

 

is the upgrade from the CV1 worth 562USD in your opinion? (that is what it would cost me)

[Field-Ops]

To me, yes it is. I had issues on the CV1 with spotting and moving my head out of my camera positions. I like VR so much i tried to get the PiMax up to my liking which I justified spending over a grand on getting it to that point.... and the Oculus S still beats it out of the water all things considered. 

[BeastyBaiter]

I have a Rift, Rift S and Quest. My thoughts on them are mixed.

 

The CV1 has the best tracking, built in audio and comfort. It has by far the worst image quality though. Between the resolution and the god rays, it gets pretty rough. It's also a USB hog and kind of a pain to setup for room scale. I do like it's controllers best though. They are a little bigger than the new ones and the tracking rings being on the bottom is a bigger deal than you'd think.

 

The Rift S is the polar opposite of the CV1. It has the worst built in audio of the 3 but the best image quality (despite inferior blacks). It's hilariously simple to setup and has a lot of nice quality of life features like a video pass through mode. It's also easier with glasses than the CV1 and has an on headset plug for headphones, though I normally use wireless ones. On the down side, the halo type design makes it physically impossible to secure it as well as the ski mask style and so in heavy action games (or beat saber) it visibly bounces around no matter how hard you have it squeeze your skull. Finding headphones that can fit over the halo is also difficult.

 

The Quest has the best of both worlds, but cannot be used with a PC at this time. It also suffers from a 72Hz refresh rate and yes, that is very noticeable. It doesn't make me nauseous, but it does harm gameplay in fast paced games. Audio on this is better than the Rift S but still rather terrible. Comfort is good though, I think it's a little heavier than the CV1 but is otherwise very similar. It too has audio plugs so wired headsets easily fit over it like the original rift. Setup is a breeze too. The main disadvantage is you can't play PC games with it and while that is set to change, I am not willing to guess on how well it will work.

[haltux]

2 hours ago, BeastyBaiter said:

The Quest has the best of both worlds, but cannot be used with a PC at this time. It also suffers from a 72Hz refresh rate and yes, that is very noticeable. It doesn't make me nauseous, but it does harm gameplay in fast paced games. Audio on this is better than the Rift S but still rather terrible. Comfort is good though, I think it's a little heavier than the CV1 but is otherwise very similar. It too has audio plugs so wired headsets easily fit over it like the original rift. Setup is a breeze too. The main disadvantage is you can't play PC games with it and while that is set to change, I am not willing to guess on how well it will work.

 

Interesting, thanks. In the context of IL2 where constant 90 Hz is still science fiction, 72 Hz still sounds pretty good to me. About Oculus Link, first feedback from early tester are very good. Apparently there is no noticeable difference with using a native PC headset.

[BeastyBaiter]

It's worth pointing out that the Rift S runs at 80Hz, which is a lot more doable than 90 fps in BoX.

[=420=Syphen]

I upgraded from the CV1 to Rift S.  In the context of simming, it's a great upgrade in my opinion. The visual clarity compared to the CV1 is massive - it was a whole new "Whow" moment, jumping into a cockpit with the S. The audio sucks and the touch controllers aren't as nice as the CV1 - Neither of which are concerns for me as I'm seated and use a nice set of IEM's and a HOTAS instead. If you currently play other VR stuff like Echo VR or Onward then the CV1 tracking is better and the upgrade might not be as worth it. 

 

The Quest is still an unknown variable. No one knows what the PC Tethering will be like at this point. As others have pointed out, I don't think it'll be as good as the Rift S. We will get firm answers about this in November. 

[SAG]

3 hours ago, [CPT]HawkeyeP said:

I upgraded from the CV1 to Rift S.  In the context of simming, it's a great upgrade in my opinion. The visual clarity compared to the CV1 is massive - it was a whole new "Whow" moment, jumping into a cockpit with the S. The audio sucks and the touch controllers aren't as nice as the CV1 - Neither of which are concerns for me as I'm seated and use a nice set of IEM's and a HOTAS instead. If you currently play other VR stuff like Echo VR or Onward then the CV1 tracking is better and the upgrade might not be as worth it. 

 

The Quest is still an unknown variable. No one knows what the PC Tethering will be like at this point. As others have pointed out, I don't think it'll be as good as the Rift S. We will get firm answers about this in November. 

 

Some light has come about the tethered Quest, apparently it uses fixed foveated rendering, so the edges don't look as good as the center of the display in order to diminish the amount of data needed to be streamed through the usb C cable, but the final version will use a proprietary cable, so IDK if that will be in the final release.

 

Do you think there will be a "Rift 2" anytime "soon"? as I don't want to buy a rift S just for a better model to come out in the next 6 months.

 

 

[=420=Syphen]

There will forever and always be a "new and improved" on the horizon. But I don't think a Rift 2 is going to be a thing any time soon. VR HMD's seem to have a life span longer then some consumer goods like, Cellphones. They seem to go 2 to 3 years. The Rift S only hit the market this spring. It's only 6 months old. Still has plenty of life and is well priced. 

[Sgt_Joch]

On 10/16/2019 at 10:55 PM, SAG said:

 

is the upgrade from the CV1 worth 562USD in your opinion? (that is what it would cost me)

 

I have the Rift 1 and tried the Rift S. It is better, but not worth the cost IMHO. Personally, I am waiting for true 2nd gen headset before upgrading. 

Edited October 21, 2019 by Sgt_Joch

[SAG]

Caould anyone comment on the "binoculars" effect? is it less pronounced than in the CV1?

 

what about FOV?

[=420=Syphen]

Not sure what you mean by 'binoculars effect' but FOV is about the same as the CV1. 

[SAG]

7 hours ago, [CPT]HawkeyeP said:

Not sure what you mean by 'binoculars effect' but FOV is about the same as the CV1. 

 

I mean that you can see the cricular borders around the edge of the fov, idk if you ever tried it but the DK2 didn't have that, it was all "screen"

[BornToBattle]

Yes. I own both. Prefer the Rift S. Absolutely no problems with the inside out tracking at all. The tinny in-strap speaker system sucks though so I have two different headsets I use (one Sony Bluetooth which fits great over top of the Rift S and another wired set) to use in lieu of the Rift S built-ins.

[Gomoto]

HP Reverb is a big upgrade over CV1. I love it.