polisheagle1939 Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 Are there future plans for the Tempest to get rockets?
AndyJWest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 Unlikely, since there is no evidence that Tempests used rockets operationally during WW2.
theOden Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 Good good, if I ever find out that someone is doing a typhoon "what-if" scenario in his house 4500 miles away from me my whole sim-experience will be ruined and I will probably uninstall the product. 3 2
AndyJWest Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 People are entirely free to do 'what if' scenarios. The developers only have limited resources though, and I suspect most players would rather they concentrated on more relevant stuff. There are plenty of other options if you want to use rockets. 3
Field-Ops Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, theOden said: Good good, if I ever find out that someone is doing a typhoon "what-if" scenario in his house 4500 miles away from me my whole sim-experience will be ruined and I will probably uninstall the product. Irrelevant, typhoon what-ifs can wait for typhoon real deal 1
feca1229 Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 I found this one! The rocket wasn't typical in Tempest, I think.
Chief_Mouser Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) The Tempest used bombs just ONCE during WW2, and were NEVER fitted with rockets during the war. Any pictures showing Tempests with rockets are from after May 1945; Jason has said very vociferously that the Tempest in BoX will never carry rockets. So your best bet is to start agitating for a Typhoon - I'd love to have it and it is rather necessary for the BoBp scenario timeframe. Edited October 12, 2019 by Red_Cat
spitfirejoe Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 why are here many many questions asked several times in several own threads? Maybe the admin can delete this thread, it was answered more than once before already. 1
CountZero Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 What rockets ? and here i was hoping it wont even come with bombs, so GA guys dont take it ?
Korowiov Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 And I want Tempest with lasers and plasma guns, come one people get over those rockets already.
Lusekofte Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) I want a Typhoon because I feel silly getting shot down in a Tempest. Another aspect is they where present in big numbers. But being a hotrod pack I understand the choice of Tempest. I would like at least two level bombers closely up to date. A Flyabke B 25 or 26. And a JU 188 or DO 217 K more. Not because they are more likely to survive a mission. But because I want them. But neither is likely. So give me a A 20 with better turret like the G but with bomb aiming device. But I guess that is also out of the question. But really. A rocket mounted Tempest would do as a stand in Typhoon. With me in it I would feel like a Typhoon pilot and be just as easy to shoot down Edited October 12, 2019 by LuseKofte
sevenless Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Feri1976feca1229 said: I found this one! The rocket wasn't typical in Tempest, I think. They were fitted with rockets starting in september 1945.
Trooper117 Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 They were cleared after trials with rockets, but no Tempests used rockets on active ops...
1CGS LukeFF Posted October 14, 2019 1CGS Posted October 14, 2019 5 hours ago, chuter said: And yet the P-39 has 37mm AP? What's wrong with that? It's explained in the mod description why they've been included. Tempests, on the other hand, never used rockets operationally during the war. That's an undisputed fact. 3
theOden Posted October 14, 2019 Posted October 14, 2019 3 hours ago, LukeFF said: Tempests, on the other hand, never used rockets operationally during the war. That's an undisputed fact. How hard is it to see that being a mission-maker thing, not the sim itself?
AndyJWest Posted October 14, 2019 Posted October 14, 2019 No, it's a developer having priorities thing. 3
Field-Ops Posted October 14, 2019 Posted October 14, 2019 Just because they have done rare or even near fantasy modifications in the past does not mean they are obligated to do every modification under the sun from now on. That's called entitlement and can skew your idea of what the product is supposed to be.
Lusekofte Posted October 14, 2019 Posted October 14, 2019 I hate the idea sometimes that we cant have “make do” planes. why everything has to be historical. But taking it too far I will hate even more. I really wished for a Typhoon and would be happy for rockets on Tempest. Because I fly it as a Typhoon. Lovely aircraft. But asking for it is beating a dead horse
Retrofly Posted October 14, 2019 Posted October 14, 2019 Hurricane had rockets right? Can we just have that instead, please
ShamrockOneFive Posted October 14, 2019 Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Retrofly said: Hurricane had rockets right? Can we just have that instead, please The Mark IV did. The Mark II may have received some Russian rockets in VVS use as a field modification. 1
69th_chuter Posted October 15, 2019 Posted October 15, 2019 On 10/13/2019 at 6:36 PM, LukeFF said: What's wrong with that? It's explained in the mod description why they've been included. Tempests, on the other hand, never used rockets operationally during the war. That's an undisputed fact. Are we sure M80 rounds for the M4 (or M10) were delivered? All I can find for 37mm ammo delivery (lend lease) are for the M74 AP and M51 HE for the M5/M6 guns and M54 HE for the M4/M10 guns. It's very possible a "few" M80 AP rounds were delivered on request for testing, I suppose, but its performance (25mm pen at 460m) would likely not have lead to requests for more. On the other hand Tempests were cleared for operational rocket use in February '45 (but were not used operationally) so it wouldn't be completely outlandish to provide them in game (the P-39L was also cleared for rocket ordinance as well but no rocket equipment or rockets were supplied). To be fair I really don't care very much, I just find the whole discussion interesting.
Cpt_Siddy Posted October 15, 2019 Posted October 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, Sokol1 said: Nah, rockets are more miss than hit. ? Hit or miss, i guess they never hit, huh?
Trooper117 Posted October 15, 2019 Posted October 15, 2019 No one should be lobbying for rockets on the Tempest... instead, keep lobbying for the Tiffy. That is what we need! 1 1 8
EAF19_Marsh Posted October 15, 2019 Posted October 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Sokol1 said: Nah, rockets are more miss than hit. ? Incorrect, they have a close to 100% hit rate with Earth 4
Letka_13/Arrow_ Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Having the late war Typhoon along the Tempest would be a blast, please Jason do it as a collector's plane ?
71st_AH_Rob_XR-R Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Rudolph said: Having the late war Typhoon along the Tempest would be a blast, please Jason do it as a collector's plane ? Or as part of the next release with a Pas de Calais map and 1942-43 plane set...
Legioneod Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, 71st_AH_Rob_XR-R said: Or as part of the next release with a Pas de Calais map and 1942-43 plane set... Too large of a gap in timeframe imo, needs to be Normandy. I do agree with the Typhoon being for the next Western front release when and if it ever happens. Edited October 17, 2019 by Legioneod 1
71st_AH_Rob_XR-R Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) Why would it be too large a gap in timeframe? We already have a lot of aircraft from that timeframe and those that are added would be a nice addition to BoBP We are rumoured to be getting a Hurricane Mk II, we have both important Spitfires. We could use a Typhoon, a Wellington a Mustang II/III, maybe a Razorback P-47 (it could be used in the Pacific too) and an early Lightning or better a Mosquito. All of which could carry over to the BoBP. For the Luftwaffe we could fill out some of the missing Fw-190 variants, another Bf-110, a Ju-88 with torpedos, a Do-217 and a Me-410 And what do you think the difference would be between Normandy and the Pas de Calais? I would expect the map to be large enough to encompass both given the size of BoBP Edited October 17, 2019 by 71st_AH_Rob_XR-R Short term memory loss...
Kurfurst Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 12 hours ago, 71st_AH_Rob_XR-R said: Or as part of the next release with a Pas de Calais map and 1942-43 plane set... YAAAAAAAWN. Take off from Dover/Calais. Head for the big blue pond Climb to 9000m/30k ft Engage the other guy who has been doing the exact same thing fight him over and over and over above the big blue pond in the exact same scenario Never again the big blue pond map, LOL 1
Hanu Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 12:46 PM, Trooper117 said: No one should be lobbying for rockets on the Tempest... instead, keep lobbying for the Tiffy. That is what we need! As there is already static object for Typhoon in Mission Editor, I'm somewhat hopeful... ?
theOden Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, VO101Kurfurst said: YAAAAAAAWN. Take off from Dover/Calais. Head for the big blue pond Climb to 9000m/30k ft Engage the other guy who has been doing the exact same thing fight him over and over and over above the big blue pond in the exact same scenario Never again the big blue pond map, LOL Could it be, that you're a multiplayer airquaker?
Kurfurst Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, theOden said: Could it be, that you're a multiplayer airquaker? If I am, I blame society and the lack of options the big blue pond gives you in multiplayer. Because in the balance of things it eventually it always comes down producing the same scenario. You need to unbalance things both in map design and side balance to make it produce different approaches and dynamics. Symmetry is bad, and the two island bases against each other style maps are the worst. 2
=621=Samikatz Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Air combat is, ultimately, about making the ground safer for your fellas and a lot more dangerous for the other guy's fellas. Ground targets are what drive everything. If someone climbs off to the lower stratosphere for dogfighting they should be firmly ignorable while you do more war-winning things
Kurfurst Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 For ground targets you need.. ground. Big blue pond in between where 99% of the action will happen will not have ground targets. Indeed the issue is the lack of ground targets or anything that one side needs to dynamically defend, unless it’s ships, which is a single, same scenario again, leading to the same tactic and planes uses.
Panzerlang Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, VO101Kurfurst said: For ground targets you need.. ground. Big blue pond in between where 99% of the action will happen will not have ground targets. Indeed the issue is the lack of ground targets or anything that one side needs to dynamically defend, unless it’s ships, which is a single, same scenario again, leading to the same tactic and planes uses. Kind of how it was for the real guys though, wasn't it? And if their primary goal amidst all that predictable boredom was survival, maybe our 'solution' is persona play.
=621=Samikatz Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 France and the UK are both made of ground, as a matter of fact. Most of it fairly solid We have already had this experience with Cliffs, the 5-10 minute dash across the channel was usually survivable if you kept your eyes open and didn't fly directly at the most popular enemy airfield, and both sides had a good shot at knocking out their enemy's respective targets. What the channel adds is a very tense bit of No Man's Land where survival is far from guaranteed. In servers with lives systems that adds an extra bit of excitement and you have to very carefully consider every bit of damage you might take 1
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