JagdPanzer IV L/70 , Worthless, or totally so ?

[JG1_Wittmann]

So I  got a test going  L70  vs 1 t34,  1 KV1.   Jagdpanzer IV's  .    Well the results were disappointing to say the least.    The L70's    did not score a single hit.   Rate of fire seems ok,   just never hit.

The russian armor, w/ the short 75 gun,   not only hit, but destroyed both.   That seemed odd as their gun penetrates 62mm at 1000M ?      The range was 1500.  Jgpzr IV  has 100mm effective frontal armor.    Was a straight on engagement.    It didn't take long for both to be knocked out without scoring a single hit.   Hmmmm    interesting !   Every shot the Jgpzr IV's fired was high, and never corrected.

[JG1_Wittmann]

Here is a short video,  couple of minutes, showing the performance of the most accurate gun, at this point in the game.    Jagdpanzer IV has an 80MM angled front plate, 100MM effective.

In game data for the ZIS-5 gun found on both tanks, has a best penetration # of 62MM @1000M

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXD0PKApGHg&feature=youtu.be

 

The time was 1/4 game speed and below to show shell trajectory

Edited October 2, 2019 by WaNTRD
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[SCG_judgedeath3]

Well here is some stats:

Jagdpanzer IV 70:
Armour:
Upper structure 80 mm at 45 angle
Lower hull: 50 mm at 55 angle

Gun penetration:
500 meter:
134mm at 30 degree angle.
62 mm at 60 degree angle.

1000 meter:
110 mm at 30 degree angle.
61 mm at 60 degree angle.

T-34 1943 model:
Armour:
Turret: 70 mm curved.
Upper structure: 45 mm at 60 degree angle.
Lower hull: 45 mm at 55 degree angle.

Gun penetration:
500 meter:
68 mm at 30 degree angle.
37 mm at 60 degree angle.

1000 meter:
60 mm at 30 degree angle.
34 mm at 60 degree angle.


So:
Jagdpanzer IV 70 can take out T-34 frontally as long as it shots the hull. Turret only at the right angles.
T-34 can take out Jagdpanzer IV 70 frontally from closer than 100 meter and only lower hull, from 500 meters and up it cant.

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Looks like the model is work in progress

[JG1_Wittmann]

"work in progress"     I would agree with this.   I would also   point out that the Panzer IV,  and the Stug III   need work as well in regards to how they perform when controlled by AI.  They also   can't hit a target with AP  at 1000m

 

It seems that the T34 varients, and the KV1  do not suffer problems when under AI control.

 

I played around with my test mission last night,  and might video the latest later today.  The scenario as follows :

1000M engagement range,    2   T34's,      20  Jagdpanzer L/70's .   The results were as expected.   The T34's  knocked out...........

15 of the Jagdpanzer IV's, (At this range,  the T34 doesn't have the capability to penetrate the JP4 from the front),

and  then they ran out of ammo.  None of the JP4's  scored a single  AP hit on either T34............

That is, until they ran out of AP  and switched to HE.  At that point, they started scoring a few hits on the T34's    1 of them,   to no effect.  Had the T34's had unlimited AP all 20 would have been knocked out,   and if the JP4's had unlimited AP they would have never scored a hit.   All 20 of them  and the dwindling remainder, all targeted  the T34 on the left of the 2 looking at them.

[SCG_judgedeath3]

Strange results there, either very unlucky or its almost like the AI for the russian tanks are better than the german AI. Would hate if it is like in world of tanks where the russian tanks have slightly better hidden stats and systems and clear russian bias.

[JG1_Wittmann]

Here's the mission in case anyone wants to run it,  or use it for their own testing purposes

L70 Test Mission.7zip

[JG1_Wittmann]

So, apparently this update today,  partially addressed  the problems of the 2 T-34's   knocking out 15 of 20 JP4's , or that is my assumption.    I did not see mention of the update was going to run mission again. This time, the 2 T-34's   scored numerous hits on the JP4's,  but did not destroy any of them.

 

Now,  the JP4's  did not score 1 single hit when firing AP rounds.   Watching the mission at fast speed,  you can clearly see when the AP is all gone, because then several of the 20 begin scoring alot of hits on the First T-34,   and the rounds scoring the hits are clearly HE as you can see the fireball,  and the T34  is not knocked out.

 

Perhaps if we could get a small update tomorrow, or soon, we can rerun this mission and see the JP4's  quickly knock out the 2 T-34's