Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[Lusekofte]

GOT huge issues with the DC 6. 

kind of a bummer in my mind. Gone through tutorials but my problem is kind of weird. Very little pinch authority yet the plane is impossible to trim. Aileron however got over the top authority and are very twitchy. DC 3 fly absolutely fine with the yoke settings 

I search YouTube and followed all tutorials I can find. I can start it taxi it climb it just not cruise it 

the automatic mechanic seem to not work properly when it come to engine management. Throttles goes all over the board. Mixture seems to work on hot as but are not animated. Flap handle work but indicator does not , at least on the B   A I have seen it work

Edited December 6, 2022 by Lusekofte

[ZachariasX]

8 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

GOT huge issues with the DC 6. 

The PMDG one? This is odd, I have no such issues with any of that. What is important to only change loadouts via the in-plane ipad. MSFS calculates CG differently and you risk getting unsuitable loadouts. I suppose you already double checked your controller bindings.

 

Also, if you have an axis mapped on the mixture levers and you touch that axis, it will change your mixture without animating the mixture lever (that acts as a three way switch much rather than an axis). I killed many engines by accidentally touching the mixture axis in high power settings. It will immediately go to lean from rich and your engines are dead at once. Best work mixtures by clickspots in cockpit in this case.

 

For the flaps to work, make sure you have set the hydraulic override lever. The AI copilot disengages the flap lever during cruise and leaves this setting.

 

But I cannot understand what you mean by this:

8 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

the automatic mechanic seem to not work properly when it come to engine management. Throttles goes all over the board.

You turn on AI for cruise, it will take away control from you and go for cruise power. It doesn‘t do that? What does it do?

 

When you can climb, what keeps you from cruising? Just level off, reduce power to 35ish MAP,  maintain 150 BMEP torque and some ~2200 rpm, cowls closed to 0 degrees, mixture lean. Easy.

[dburne]

Sigh I keep getting these big updates to MSFS 2020 and going ahead and spending the time downloading and installing them. Have not flown the sim since September. Makes me wonder why I even bother. I spend a crap load of time with flight sims but combat is my first love and between IL-2 Great Battles and DCS my plate is pretty darn full. Especially with the learning curves for individual modules in DCS. I find myself attracted to MSFS 2020 less and less it seems.

 

Sure would hate to uninstall MSFS 2020 and then have to go back in and re-install. Well I will probably do a new PC build in about a year or so, guess I could just uninstall and then re-install then since I would be doing a clean Windows install at that time anyway. Decisions decisions...

 

Edit: Where the heck do you guys get the time for all of this? For crying out loud I am retired and have nothing but time on my hands, and I feel there is no where near enough of it to even handle three sims.

Edited December 6, 2022 by dburne

[Lusekofte]

I found out it was empty as default. So I loaded the plane. Then it was flyable. 
my bumping up and down probably put off the ai. I flew a perfect flight between Hawaii islands 

I am so happy 

4 minutes ago, dburne said:

find myself attracted to MSFS 2020 less and less it seems.

Have not flown gb or DCs for weeks now except from some c 47 mission

I need a brake from it. 

[Dallas88B]

6 minutes ago, dburne said:

Sure would hate to uninstall MSFS 2020

I was happy to uninstall it.

Inaccurate (but very pretty) scenery.

Massive updates that take hours or days to install. 

[dburne]

3 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

 

Have not flown gb or DCs for weeks now except from some c 47 mission

I need a brake from it. 

 

As is evidenced by my comments in my case if I take a break it will be from MSFS 2020. I like it ok I really do and when I get into it for some nice flying around some of my local areas I have an absolute blast. But it ain't combat which is my main passion.

Oh well guess it would not hurt to take a flight or two after getting updated just to check it out first before I do anything.

1 minute ago, Dallas88B said:

I was happy to uninstall it.

Inaccurate (but very pretty) scenery.

Massive updates that take hours or days to install. 

 

Yeah I think that is where I am heading. Thankfully recently I totally ditched my XFinity Modem/Router combo and purchased my own Motorola modem and Asus WiFi 6 router. Much , much better download speeds now and way better connectivity throughout the house with our other devices.

[Lusekofte]

3 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

As is evidenced by my comments in my case if I take a break it will be from MSFS 2020. I like it ok I really do and when I get into it for some nice flying around some of my local areas I have an absolute blast. But it ain't combat which is my main passion.

Oh well guess it would not hurt to take a flight or two after getting updated just to check it out first before I do anything.

Now when I have the dc 3-6 and ju 52 I do a lot of bush trips. 

[dburne]

Well all updates installed now - will try and get a couple flights in sometime between now and the weekend and check it out as it has been about 3 months for me.

[ZachariasX]

7 hours ago, dburne said:

Edit: Where the heck do you guys get the time for all of this?

Gigabit fiber. Here, MS usually maxes that for updates. Initially I thought if it as a luxury. But now I find it a necessity. Not just because of MSFS. Stripe some SSD for RAID0 and storage is no issue either. It all just takes minutes then.

[Robli]

It would be nice, if it could be possible to fly MFS2020 without updating first. It is not my primary sim and then sometimes when I have time and feel like trying it out again, I find out that it will take hours to get the sim up to date. 

[simfan2015]

8 hours ago, dburne said:

But it ain't combat which is my main passion.

Same !

FWIW I did not -yet- buy MSFS for the exact same reason.

 

[When I drive "around" in IL-2 TC I notice that so much of it is 'dead' (as well as in DCS) ... driving thru bushes, even ... horses.

In MSFS this may be worse still ?

I do realize these are/were all primarilly "flight sims", but knowing that down below in MSFS it is all no more than ... a picture ... ?

In fact Google Earth is an even better sim/game ... to look at.

 

Edited December 7, 2022 by simfan2015

[Lusekofte]

In my eyes no sim / game is perfectly suited for me. These civilian sims never really appealed to me except from small areas that looked pretty good and some planes of interest. 
msfs 2020 is as good as one can ever dream it ever will be when it come to bush flying. City sight seeing and got pretty good variety of planes that interest me. 
my main reason for reinstalling it is the upcoming Lancaster. Until then I learn to master DC 6 and have fun with DC 3 and ju 52

[Robli]

4 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

[When I drive "around" in IL-2 TC I notice that so much of it is 'dead' (as well as in DCS) ... driving thru bushes, even ... horses.

In MSFS this may be worse still ?

 

I would say that DCS or MSFS are not as 'dead'. There is at least civilian traffic going on. You can see cars, buses, trains, boats and things like that, all of what is missing in IL-2. In DCS cars even seem, to follow roads and lanes in a believable way, in MSFS the traffic does not look as realistic. On the other hand, I have heard (but not seen personally) that in MSFS you could actually see wild animals also. So there is some kind of effort to make it look like a living world.

[CUJO_1970]

I've had more exciting weather event/high terrain/low viz flights in MSFS than anything I've experience in a combat flight sim. Being lost and low on fuel, trying to clear a windscreen covered up in ice...trying not to fly into the side of a mountain, etc.

 

There are no abundance of immersion-killers in MSFS like there are in combat flight sims as well to be honest.

[Lusekofte]

In old il 2 you could easily put mechanics and ladders on airfields static objects making it alive enough. This me in GB is not simple and that is a problem

2 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

I've had more exciting weather event/high terrain/low viz flights in MSFS than anything I've experience in a combat flight sim. Being lost and low on fuel, trying to clear a windscreen covered up in ice...trying not to fly into the side of a mountain, etc.

 

There are no abundance of immersion-killers in MSFS like there are in combat flight sims as well to be honest.

I activated all sort of faults in this. Eager to see if I have my wits with me in case of some sort of failure. Flying DC 3 in Amazon landing in dusk or darkness are indeed giving me thrill enough. 
I like cfs in special for its missions. Not the shooting. And transport missions in Gb go quickly boring anyway

[CanadaOne]

5 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

In old il 2 you could easily put mechanics and ladders on airfields static objects making it alive enough. This me in GB is not simple and that is a problem

 

That is a problem, agreed.

 

As Simfan2015 mentioned, the IL2 maps feel dead, which is a shame because the maps themselves are pretty decent. 

[Hoots]

52 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

I've had more exciting weather event/high terrain/low viz flights in MSFS than anything I've experience in a combat flight sim. Being lost and low on fuel, trying to clear a windscreen covered up in ice...trying not to fly into the side of a mountain, etc.

 

There are no abundance of immersion-killers in MSFS like there are in combat flight sims as well to be honest.

Absolutely this, when I’ve pushed on into weather conditions and locations that I wouldn’t go near in a million years IRL it’s provided some very intense entertainment. And confirmed just how right I am to go nowhere near them

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Hoots said:

Absolutely this, when I’ve pushed on into weather conditions and locations that I wouldn’t go near in a million years IRL it’s provided some very intense entertainment. And confirmed just how right I am to go nowhere near them

Not there yet myself. Try to fly the planes I like the best I can yet. Then add weather 

I probably can fly msfs exclusive for a year and not missing any other sim. I can not do that with DCs and Gb 

[Lusekofte]

I am going to pretend I bomb A marshalling yard in France with the DC 6 Just to get a cfs feel to it

[DD_Arthur]

Yesterday, fifty-three years after the first of these astonishing aircraft were delivered to customers, the last 747 ever built leaves Everett.

 

[Lusekofte]

Took a 30 minutes flight from Panama City to a shit hole north 

[CUJO_1970]

Twin Otter!

 

[Lusekofte]

Yes I bought the twin otter too. Flew or rather was a passenger in it for years. Great plane

I had to do a second attempt on landing the DC 6 in Sidney tonight. I finally start to get the hung of it. 
I think flying it empty in not ideal weather was my main initial Robles with it. 
It got it all when it comes to complexity and how to adjust it to your taste. You can sit there and listen on all checklist and see what they do. You can let them handle all things a copilot and mechanics do. 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Lusekofte

[CUJO_1970]

Loving this airplane.

 

 

 

 

Orbx Alaska Mesh with Orbx Unalaska airport:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JimTM]

54 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

Loving this airplane.

 

 

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Very nice plane indeed! The designer (Milviz, now Blackbird Simulations) also make the Cessna 310, which is another winner.

[Lusekofte]

Had a flight in it just one hour ago. My first choice for explorations flight. Since choppers are like drones. I equally love the goose. But Beaver got a beautiful cockpit. 
I wonder if it is that easy to fly? 
would not surprise me, it’s pilots love it

Edited December 8, 2022 by Lusekofte

[CUJO_1970]

1 hour ago, JimTM said:

 

Very nice plane indeed! The designer (Milviz, now Blackbird Simulations) also make the Cessna 310, which is another winner.

 

Yes, their 310 is awesome!

 

[Lusekofte]

Can't get enough of this. Decending for landing in Panama City 

[CanadaOne]

Nice plane. I wouldn't go all out and learn it properly, but I'd still like to fly it for a bit.

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Nice plane. I wouldn't go all out and learn it properly, but I'd still like to fly it for a bit.

Was not going to myself. But spending time with it I just as well learn it while having fun. This time, using superchargers, gyro and climb. 
I have no problem landing it. But I am sure I do it wrong

[Lusekofte]

Took the dc 6 from Tromsoe to Svolvaer Lofoten, Dark . Rough landing because of short runway. I have no chanse to continue and take off. Bo to Bodoe in a Twin Otter.

 

I plan to take the Twin Otter to Trondheim since I want to visit Bronnoysund. Then take the DC 6 from there to Bergen and Go to Farao islands then UK.

When I do actual flying I do it in VR. Over to system managing and autopilot I do 2 D. Unic setup

Edited December 10, 2022 by Lusekofte

[DD_Arthur]

9 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Nice plane. I wouldn't go all out and learn it properly, but I'd still like to fly it for a bit.

If you can fly the IL2 La-5 then the DC6 will present no problems whatsoever.  You’ve just got to be gentle on the throttle openings and prop pitch changes.

 

Tuning nav radios to follow a VOR isn’t difficult either.

Or you can just cheat (like me) and follow the GPS route on the gyro-pilot.

 

I’ve found myself using a pocket calculator to work out rate of decent over distance, to arrive at the runway threshold at the right height and speed without scaring the life out of my virtual passengers.

 

The best analogy I can think of  is jet skiing compared to sailing dinghies.

 

Really love the DC6?

[Lusekofte]

17 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Or you can just cheat (like me) and follow the GPS route on the gyro-pilot.

I do that, DC 6 get me to be as much pilot I want and feel good about it. Short runway landings is easy but you get problems taking off. When in CFS mode I pretend it is a Halifax and I dropp supplies or something.

[Archie]

As a noob what's the best way to get this, standalone or steam, or doesn't it matter? Also I was thinking of going for the base 40th anniv edition and then I assume you can just add on planes / airports you want?

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Archie said:

As a noob what's the best way to get this, standalone or steam, or doesn't it matter? Also I was thinking of going for the base 40th anniv edition and then I assume you can just add on planes / airports you want?

They say with steam you have easier access to community map since you know where the game is stored. I have standalone. 
This sim got my attention now when the vintage planes arrived. I bought it when it came but uninstalled it. I reinstalled when I heard a Lancaster was under way
I really needed this right now, a bit fed up with Gb and dcs. I can’t stand the glass pits in the long run.  So I mostly fly DC 3-6 , JU 52 , beaver and Twin Otter

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

They say with steam you have easier access to community map since you know where the game is stored. I have standalone. 
This sim got my attention now when the vintage planes arrived. I bought it when it came but uninstalled it. I reinstalled when I heard a Lancaster was under way
I really needed this right now, a bit fed up with Gb and dcs. I can’t stand the glass pits in the long run.  So I mostly fly DC 3-6 , JU 52 , beaver and Twin Otter

 

Shows you how we're all different. I've got so many years of WWII and MSFS behind me, now I really enjoy the high-tech toys and fancy graphics in DCS. I like the funky night vision and lasers and parking a GBU onto a truck from 35,000'. 

[CUJO_1970]

Dang it I’ve held off this long on getting the DC6 y’all making it difficult though.

[Lusekofte]

3 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

Dang it I’ve held off this long on getting the DC6 y’all making it difficult though.

It is as close to an airliner I ever bother to go. 
it bring good mood. I learn one system as I go and let ai do what I not yet learned. 
that iPad make interaction to co pilot and mechanic so smooth 

[Lusekofte]

40 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Shows you how we're all different. I've got so many years of WWII and MSFS behind me, now I really enjoy the high-tech toys and fancy graphics in DCS. I like the funky night vision and lasers and parking a GBU onto a truck from 35,000'. 

I understand that. I got many years in DCS but stayed without those systems

 

[DD_Arthur]

4 hours ago, Archie said:

As a noob what's the best way to get this, standalone or steam, or doesn't it matter? Also I was thinking of going for the base 40th anniv edition and then I assume you can just add on planes / airports you want?

Get it on Steam. It makes everything easier. The update process on the Microsoft store version can be bizarrely convoluted….and yeah, just get the base version.