Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

For any real life glider pilots out there I'd like to apologise in advance for the landing.....

On the glider, the elevator is your speed control. After releasing the tow it is nothing but that. If you need higher sink rate, that is what spoilers are for. If you make a sensible pattern, half brakes will set you perfectly.

[Trooper117]

Very nice... but the tow cable kept disappearing when it coincided with the cloud imagery in front. Apart from that it looked almost real!

[DD_Arthur]

52 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

On the glider, the elevator is your speed control. After releasing the tow it is nothing but that. If you need higher sink rate, that is what spoilers are for. If you make a sensible pattern, half brakes will set you perfectly.

 

What I remember most - of my only flight in a glider - was on the approach;  I thought we were a bit high and then the guy up front pulled this big lever and we simply plummeted.....until he pulled the lever again and suddenly we weren't too high and made a very good landing.  I'm not sure what was more surprised; my brain or my stomach.   

[Hoots]

10 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

What I remember most - of my only flight in a glider - was on the approach;  I thought we were a bit high and then the guy up front pulled this big lever and we simply plummeted.....until he pulled the lever again and suddenly we weren't too high and made a very good landing.  I'm not sure what was more surprised; my brain or my stomach.   

Air brakes are just a glider’s version of a throttle. It’s pitch and air brake rather than pitch and power. 

[Lusekofte]

Damn damn damn. Installing 

frustration here I come

[343KKT_Kintaro]

46 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

Damn damn damn. Installing 

frustration here I come

 

 

[DBFlyguy]

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

40 years of the Microsoft purchase and Microsoft release... but not 40 years of Flight Simulator. The software will be 50 years old in 2029 if I'm not mistaken (first release by SubLogic in 1979, three years before it was sold to Microsoft).

 

It's like "IL-2 Sturmovik", you need to be very clear distinguishing between the brand and the games. You may say that "Great Battles" is an "IL-2 Sturmovik" game, but it's nothing but the "Rise of Flight" software sold under the "IL-2 Sturmovik" brand.

 

 

[LukeFF]

43 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

40 years of the Microsoft purchase and Microsoft release... but not 40 years of Flight Simulator. The software will be 50 years old in 2029 if I'm not mistaken (first release by SubLogic in 1979, three years before it was sold to Microsoft).

 

It's like "IL-2 Sturmovik", you need to be very clear distinguishing between the brand and the games. You may say that "Great Battles" is an "IL-2 Sturmovik" game, but it's nothing but the "Rise of Flight" software sold under the "IL-2 Sturmovik" brand.

 

Can you just relax for 5 minutes and enjoy the video for what it is?

 

And, besides that, it says right in the video title: "Microsoft Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary".

[Lusekofte]

Well I been away from this for month and spent the night dl this game. 
I must say I am impressed. VR is smooth my bravo throttle and fulcrum yoke worked like a charm. 
took the DC3 for a ride and found it beautiful but a bit dated. 
I switched anything on hard, but still it was pretty easy to control and land. I found stall pretty awesome. I am happy I reinstalled this

[343KKT_Kintaro]

40 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Can you just relax for 5 minutes and enjoy the video for what it is?

 

And, besides that, it says right in the video title: "Microsoft Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary".

 

 

I'm already relaxed Luke, so there's no need you give me such and advice. Furhtermore, I'm perfectly aware of the title of the video, and this is partly why I stated what I stated. I have done nothing to you and I do not allow you to speak to me in that tone. I'm ready to read any response you want to type, but please, temper down the tone. Thank you in advance.

 

 

[SYN_Vander]

25 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

Well I been away from this for month and spent the night dl this game. 
I must say I am impressed. VR is smooth my bravo throttle and fulcrum yoke worked like a charm. 
took the DC3 for a ride and found it beautiful but a bit dated. 
I switched anything on hard, but still it was pretty easy to control and land. I found stall pretty awesome. I am happy I reinstalled this

 

Don't forget to try gliders, possibly the best feature. At least something I can relate to.

[AndyJWest]

Back to Segara Anak, my Bond villain lair, in the Beaver amphibian.

 

It's plenty big enough for the Beaver, though taking off again in live weather meant heading into the caldera, and turning soon after takeoff.

 

The next visitor was a little bigger, and it seemed wise to do it in flat calm so I could take off back the way I'd came in. Not difficult, just a little scary.

 

The pilot only gets four throttle levers for the eight engines. Another lesson from Howard Hughes on how you get to be a millionaire: scrimp on every cent you can...

 

 

 

 

 

[ZachariasX]

7 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

in the Beaver amphibian.

It had good reviews… I might get that too. What is your opinion of the module?

 

7 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

The pilot only gets four throttle levers for the eight engines. Another lesson from Howard Hughes on how you get to be a millionaire: scrimp on every cent you can...

Is has eight:

 

I think MSFS just cannot handle that many engines (yet?).

[AndyJWest]

@ZachariasX:

 

That's the free Beaver that came with the latest update. Seems well-modelled, though I've not tested it much. Definitely above the standard for most stock MSFS aircraft. 

 

And I can well believe that MSFS can't currently handle 8-engined aircraft properly. Not really a priority I suppose, though fans of Dornier X's, B-52s, and of course the magnificent  Convair B-36 of "six turnin' and four burnin' " fame may complain if they don't fix it. Though a B-36 would add a whole new set of issues, come to think of it.

[Lusekofte]

I think I will go deeper into the DC 6 and learn it properly. It kind of speaks to me

[ZachariasX]

5 hours ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

I think I will go deeper into the DC 6 and learn it properly. It kind of speaks to me

I have tons of fun with it as well.

[Lusekofte]

I find the vintage aircraft in the pack as great fun 

mid the announced Lancaster is any good. I probably won’t need a cfs. 

Edited November 20, 2022 by 216th_Lusekofte

[DD_Arthur]

The DH2 Beaver is a significant work of art in its own right.  Great FM too .

 

 

[Art-J]

On 11/19/2022 at 5:24 PM, ZachariasX said:

I have tons of fun with it as well.

Are the supercharger modelling simplifications you mentioned long ago still there? I haven't bought MSFS yet for hardware reasons, but when I do, things with radials are going to be my first add-on purchases, so I'm just asking to be somewhat up-to-date ;).

[Dallas88B]

3 hours ago, Art-J said:

I haven't bought MSFS yet

Credit to the guys on the Unprofessionals Server (IL2 etc) (thanks Deadmeat) suggested to me that I should first try out MSFS using the Microsoft Game Pass first instead of buying it. 
https://www.xbox.com/en-au/xbox-game-pass/pc-game-pass

As you can see its very cheap compared to purchasing.

Purchasing from Steam it typically takes much longer to install than the 2hr return window allows. So you will not be able to return it after you try it.

Also its not a cheap game ... you do a fair amount of cash if you don't like it or cannot play it on your rig / internet access. 

Trying it out on game pass worked well for me... and only cost me a $1 (current initial month special offer) for a few weeks. 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

5 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

The DH2 Beaver is a significant work of art in its own right.  Great FM too .

 

 

As I am new to this game once more. I have only tested a few of the planes. Beaver was the one impressing me most. Both visually and its behaviour. I have no idea how it flies in real life, but I know it is highly regarded by its pilots since first day. I think it is made by respect of that fact and it fly like I imagine it would. 
Another plane giving me good wibes is the Grumman Goose , I flew it around Kiwi and liked it very much. Spruce goose it seemed act like it just copied the Grumman Goose fm

[ZachariasX]

5 hours ago, Art-J said:

Are the supercharger modelling simplifications you mentioned long ago still there? I haven't bought MSFS yet for hardware reasons, but when I do, things with radials are going to be my first add-on purchases, so I'm just asking to be somewhat up-to-date ;).

 

I am not sure if those are simplifications. All I can say is that the DC-6 engines react noticeably different than ANY engine I've ever come across, including the simulated ones, be it in this franchise or A2A's offerings (also their Connie with similarish engines for P3D). Either way, you get the knack of it soon how to "game the game" to get a little extra from your sim. Other than that, it's all fine to fly as you are supposed to and as the manual tells you to. The publisher stays mum about this (just fueling the controversy), even though I am not the only one observing such, yet there's enough profilic ones to defend the starus quo (as usual).

 

The above to me is no game stopper, as it does as it should when you stick to the manual. Hence, I don't care so much for it. Beyond that, it is a very thorough simulation of almost all system aspects. Hypoxia or freezing temps in the cabin has no effect, but there are few publishers who care for killing the player when doing something vital the wrong way.

 

There is also the Connie for MSFS, but this doesn't seem to be very complete yet, hence I didn't get it. Would be nice to get the A2A Connie, but Scott and his crew ae silent as a graveyard about what they are doing, apart from whispering that they will make the Commanche once every quarter year.

 

In all, the DC-6 is a robust and comprehensive package as we're used from a top publisher. For me it is an instant buy that I do not regret. Bottom line, I think I have the most fun from that module, especially since it gives you the option of havning a useful copilot that allos you to fly the DC-6 almost like a Cessna if you care just for the flying aspect. It is VERY accessible and still offers all the complexity to get a deeper understanding of the plane.

 

 

[Trooper117]

Does the Beaver come with an original cockpit as well as all the modern stuff (glass cockpit stuff)?...

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

Does the Beaver come with an original cockpit as well as all the modern stuff (glass cockpit stuff)?...

The one included has original cockpit. Not sure if it had a Garmin on right  side

[Adger]

Not sure if many of you have watched CGaviators vids, I personally find them to be really good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Does the Beaver come with an original cockpit as well as all the modern stuff (glass cockpit stuff)?...

 

That ipad make you able to change what kind of pit you want

Edited November 22, 2022 by 216th_Lusekofte

[CUJO_1970]

7 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Does the Beaver come with an original cockpit as well as all the modern stuff (glass cockpit stuff)?...

 

It comes with original, also you can get all kinds of stuff at flightsim.to.

[DD_Arthur]

I've found a mod which straightens out the rather peculiar flight model of the DC3 here

 

https://flightsim.to/file/43893/duckworks-dc-3-improvement-mod

 

It still does not help the rough round the edges textures but this thing is growing on me.  Added it to my collection of aircraft for exploring that enormous, astonishing country known as the United States.....

 

  

 

[CUJO_1970]

It's insane how awesome MSFS is. What an update.

 

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Love the switching between VR and screen. Make me fly in VR and look on screen. 
truly a gem.  Love the DC 3 and Beaver. And the De Haviland Twin otter and the Grumman Goose 

[dburne]

5 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Love the switching between VR and screen. Make me fly in VR and look on screen. 
truly a gem.  Love the DC 3 and Beaver. And the De Haviland Twin otter and the Grumman Goose 

 

Yeah I don't really get to use MSFS 2020 that much any more but that is one very nice thing they did for VR. That and the native Open XR support as well.

Edited November 29, 2022 by dburne

[Lusekofte]

This is just so great in so many levels

[AndyJWest]

56 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

This is just so great in so many levels

 

 

It is, though there seem to be a few issues with it.

 

At some point, I'm going to try a proper live-weather hump flight, though for the last couple of weeks the wind has consistently been blowing about 50 kt from the west at 18,000 ft, which is about the altitude you need to cross the highest parts. Going east it'll be quick, but very bumpy, given how MSFS models the wind over mountains. Coming back is liable to be hard work, and I doubt the autopilot will be usable. Probably better to leave my first attempt until the conditions improve.

[CUJO_1970]

1 minute ago, AndyJWest said:

 

It is, though there seem to be a few issues with it.

 

At some point, I'm going to try a proper live-weather hump flight, though for the last couple of weeks the wind has consistently been blowing about 50 kt from the west at 18,000 ft, which is about the altitude you need to cross the highest parts. Going east it'll be quick, but very bumpy, given how MSFS models the wind over mountains. Coming back is liable to be hard work, and I doubt the autopilot will be usable. Probably better to leave my first attempt until the conditions improve.

 

You gotta do a diary with pics/video of that! It'll be awesome.

[Lusekofte]

34 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

It is, though there seem to be a few issues with it.

 

At some point, I'm going to try a proper live-weather hump flight, though for the last couple of weeks the wind has consistently been blowing about 50 kt from the west at 18,000 ft, which is about the altitude you need to cross the highest parts. Going east it'll be quick, but very bumpy, given how MSFS models the wind over mountains. Coming back is liable to be hard work, and I doubt the autopilot will be usable. Probably better to leave my first attempt until the conditions improve.

Yes I have lifted my eyebrows a couple of times. But overall I think it is a great plane. 
I tried to like the DC 6 but I found it hard too, I figured it is my control setup. 
Anyone tried the orbx DC 6? Is it worth trying. I found this sim to be un finished first attempt when it came out. Now it run smoothly, feels like flying and looks awesome. And all the things to do. 
hope we can do a formation flying some place interesting at some point. 
I struggle starting up the Dc 3. Is there a tutorial. I think I do the right procedure. But after a couple of attempts it stop turning. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Lusekofte

[ZachariasX]

7 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Anyone tried the orbx DC 6?

They have one? Or do you mean PMDG?

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

They have one? Or do you mean PMDG?

Ye of course 

[Lusekofte]

Bushflying in Northern *Australia today 

Two hops for a cross country. Forgot to disconnect ground power so it seems I took it with me

[CUJO_1970]

Alaska, I just can't quit you. Another hop out to Kodiak Island...