Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[Hoots]

14 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

And a Lockheed Electra coming soon from Aeroplane Heaven:

 

Soon we’ll have the full “ice pilots” hangar

[Feathered_IV]

I shan't sleep at night until I can fly an Armstrong Whitworth Argosy to Croydon from Boulogne, carrying a load of "flick knives and porno mags n' sh*t".  

[DD_Arthur]

I don’t remember anyone bringing back naughty publications on our school trips to France.

 I do remember the flick knives and how they soon broke after they were thrown at trees, grass, one’s own feet, etc but it was those red French bangers that everyone would bring back!!

For a couple of weeks after any trip, school would be dominated by the sounds of them going off at any time and the Head’s threats of retribution would be more and more dire during school assembly?

 

Actually ‘yer honour, I’d like to now confess that after my big brother came home on Christmas leave 1977 with some pyrotechnics, it was yours truly of 4C that threw the thunder flash into the lower school toilets and set off the police investigation!

Edited September 28, 2021 by DD_Arthur

[Lusekofte]

Crap. I gonna have to reinstallere this piece of shait.  Cross my fingers arms and feet 

Getting the software to work

[CUJO_1970]

6 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

And a Lockheed Electra coming soon from Aeroplane Heaven:

 

‘This will be an instant purchase for me. 

[ZachariasX]

The Ju52 seems to be available now as well, in the store for 15$. It seems to feature 2 and 3 blased props, but all I can see are the P&W engines, not the BMW's... But it has skis and floats. Hm. Maybe. The Electra looks really cool.

 

I wait for some reviews.

[AndyJWest]

4 different versions: wheels, skis and floats, plus a modern retrofit on wheels. Not sure about the engines in each version.

 

 

 

Flight model could be better (stalls too slow), but otherwise a bargain for the price. The 3D modelling is very good, they've not skimped on details (the upper cockpit window makes a nice clunk when you close it!) and most of the more obvious cockpit gadgets seem to work.

 

 

 

[unlikely_spider]

3 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

‘This will be an instant purchase for me. 

Perhaps the most beautiful plane ever made?

[CUJO_1970]

This thing is an absolute steal at fifteen bucks. Fantastic aircraft.

 

 

 

[Feathered_IV]

Ugh, stuck at work.  Need to grab that as soon as I’m out of here!

[Blooddawn1942]

1 hour ago, Feathered_IV said:

Ugh, stuck at work.  Need to grab that as soon as I’m out of here!

+1

[Feathered_IV]

Got it now.  Very nice indeed.  Looks great and the engine sounds are especially pleasant on the ear.  Some sim planes can really make you struggle in that department.  I really like how you can look out at the port engine and see the heat haze from the exhaust too.  

 

[Dakpilot]

Why did I just assume the Electra was going to be this one 

 

Feel a bit daft ?

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Feathered_IV]

6 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

Why did I just assume the Electra was going to be this one 

My whole life I’ve been assuming any mention of the Electra was referring to the twin, then gone “oh...” when it turned out to be the other one.  It’s nice for it to be the other way around for a change. 

[Hoots]

29 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

Why did I just assume the Electra was going to be this one 

 

Feel a bit daft ?

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

Same mate, same. 

[Lusekofte]

17 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

4 different versions: wheels, skis and floats, plus a modern retrofit on wheels. Not sure about the engines in each version.

 

 

 

Flight model could be better (stalls too slow), but otherwise a bargain for the price. The 3D modelling is very good, they've not skimped on details (the upper cockpit window makes a nice clunk when you close it!) and most of the more obvious cockpit gadgets seem to work.

 

 

 

All right. All right I got the message. It is a cool wonderful sim. 

We stop posting pictures now. I have no time at the moment with the hazzle of fix.

So until I got time lets agree shutting this topic down.

I let you know when I am ready. 

I am not envy by nature. I am built with envy as foundation 

[Feathered_IV]

Flying iron just released their P-38.  I was very happy with their Spitfire, so I think there will be some sim dollars going their way this weekend.  Looks fantastic. 

 

[danielprates]

23 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

Got it now.  Very nice indeed.  Looks great and the engine sounds are especially pleasant on the ear.  Some sim planes can really make you struggle in that department.  I really like how you can look out at the port engine and see the heat haze from the exhaust too.  

 

 

Well @#$&#*#, it took me zoomig and seeing there was nobody at the helm, to beleive this was not a real picture. 

[ubik_2008]

On 9/29/2021 at 12:54 PM, Feathered_IV said:

Got it now.  Very nice indeed.  Looks great and the engine sounds are especially pleasant on the ear.  Some sim planes can really make you struggle in that department.  I really like how you can look out at the port engine and see the heat haze from the exhaust too.  

 

 

don't really see the point of being in a Ju-52 without being shot at?

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

Flying iron just released their P-38.  I was very happy with their Spitfire, so I think there will be some sim dollars going their way this weekend.  Looks fantastic. 

 

??

 

 

? Actually glad those vintage beauties arrived. I missed them while flying

[Monostripezebra]

I gotta say.. I am a bit disapointed with the Ju 52.. as much as one can´t argue with the price and the variants and visual quality of the models, the flightmodel just falls short where the Ju52 is fun: outlanding and precision landing, that thing is so floaty and has a weird energy retention, even at full crap angle and flaps out.

[AndyJWest]

47 minutes ago, Monostripezebra said:

I gotta say.. I am a bit disapointed with the Ju 52.. as much as one can´t argue with the price and the variants and visual quality of the models, the flightmodel just falls short where the Ju52 is fun: outlanding and precision landing, that thing is so floaty and has a weird energy retention, even at full crap angle and flaps out.

 

Yeah, there are definitely flight model issues. But damn, it looks good!

 

Back to my favourite Bond-villain lair. It's up here somewhere:

 

6,500 ft or so above sea level, so probably a little chilly. Except that it comes with a built-in underlake heating system. Wikipedia says it is 5-7 °C warmer than you'd expect a lake this high to be . A little on the acidic side too, but I'm not going to stay long.

 

No wind to speak of, fortunately, since I have to take off the way I came in. You can turn Auntie Ju fairly well by using one engine.

 

You don't often get the opportunity to descend immediately after takeoff in a floatplane. Off to find a beach somewhere....

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2021 by AndyJWest

[Monostripezebra]

I am currently trying a bit to make the Ski Version work.. so far I find the Görnergradsee near the observatory pretty fun:

 

[Blooddawn1942]

14 hours ago, Monostripezebra said:

I gotta say.. I am a bit disapointed with the Ju 52.. as much as one can´t argue with the price and the variants and visual quality of the models, the flightmodel just falls short where the Ju52 is fun: outlanding and precision landing, that thing is so floaty and has a weird energy retention, even at full crap angle and flaps out.

The Ju is stunning optical wise, but the FM is definetly off. Feels as if the plane has no mass and no inertia. This thing takes off after 80m or so... 

 

But nevertheless I'm enjoying it big time! 

[Guest deleted@50488]

Every time I watch MFS 2020 videos of these aircraft I just have a desperate whish to start IL-2....

 

It's a completely different league in ALL aspects, from ground physics do flight dynamics, damage model, etc...

 

I just dream of the day 1C/777 announces "World coverage" and "Civil Aircraft"...

 

And there would be market for it !!! How ? Simple:

 

- There simply is no easy way to replicate in X-Plane, FSX, P3D, or now MFS, the Gloden Ages of aviation, the early decades of the 20th Century, from a civil aviation point of view, with good / historic scenery, the kind of navigation aids that were available back then, etc...

 

I am almost sure a tittle offering access to that Golden Age of Aviation would be a launch day buy for many users of civil flightsims ...

Edited October 1, 2021 by jcomm

[Monostripezebra]

20 hours ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

The Ju is stunning optical wise, but the FM is definetly off. Feels as if the plane has no mass and no inertia. This thing takes off after 80m or so... 

 

But nevertheless I'm enjoying it big time! 

 

Yeah.. me too. There is probably never going to be the perfect flight sim.. but that does not mean one can´t find fun. The junkers is really fun in some stiff winds on the Orkneys and shetlands

 

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by Monostripezebra

[Feathered_IV]

Enjoying the Hawker Seahawk from RobCarrich at the moment.  Managed to make my way across Canada in the Rapide, then made the jump to Maniitsoq in Greenland in the Spit.  

 

The Seahawk seemed to have the legs to get me right across Greenland to Kulusuk on the east coast, so I loaded up on fuel and prepared to have a go.  

 

 

The weather was fantastic for the most part.  I went up to 20k and cruised there most of the way. 

 

 

At some point well into the journey, I looked down at what I took to be a solid overcast of gently rippled cloud.  It looked a lot like the stripey cloud layers you get in Rise of Flight and BoX.  I decided to gradually let down through it to see what the landscape looked like beneath.   As I came down to 10,000ft the lines were more distinct  As the altimeter wound down towards 9,000 I prepared to enter the cloud layer...

 

 

 

Crunch!  Black screen...

 

I had crashed belly first into the top of the mountainous glacier.  What I took to be the tops of the striped cloud layer was in fact the wind blown lines of the snow covered ice beneath an otherwise clear sky  ?

 

I'll have to try again next time.  If you want to crash into something yourself, the Seahawk is here:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=247

Edited October 3, 2021 by Feathered_IV

[ZachariasX]

5 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

I had crashed belly first into the top of the mountainous glacier.  What I took to be the tops of the striped cloud layer was in fact the wind blown lines of the snow covered ice beneath an otherwise clear sky  ?

Yes, I also found out that it can come handy having gear lowered when flying in the (ant)arctic. It is actually an all too common occurence in the real world as well.

[AndyJWest]

@Feathered_IV

 

The external model looks nice. What's the cockpit like?

[DD_Arthur]

47 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

The external model looks nice. What's the cockpit like?

 

[Bremspropeller]

 

[Feathered_IV]

3 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

@Feathered_IV

 

The external model looks nice. What's the cockpit like?

 

The cockpit is acceptable.  Basically FSX quality with updated gauges.  The exterior is good too, although I find it too glossy from some angles and it has that wet look like BoX aircraft used to have.  

[Monostripezebra]

 

13 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

As the altimeter wound down towards 9,000 I prepared to enter the cloud layer...

 

I had crashed belly first into the top of the mountainous glacier.  What I took to be the tops of the striped cloud layer was in fact the wind blown lines of the snow covered ice beneath an otherwise clear sky  ?

 

7 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

Yes, I also found out that it can come handy having gear lowered when flying in the (ant)arctic. It is actually an all too common occurence in the real world as well.

 

I know why I like fixed SKI!

The junkers is a bit atrocious to control on those skiing adventures.. but they can be quite cool. It only took me the equivalent of a german transportluftflotte in scrapmetal to visit the sphinx-observatory.

 

 

 

I gotta say, the outside Seahawk looks amazing.. I always loved those!

Edited October 3, 2021 by Monostripezebra

[dburne]

Interesting Vid on how MSFS 2020 came about.

 

 

[Gambit21]

I think someone should put together a list of the aircraft that are top-drawer in all areas. Flight model, exterior, interior. Too much variability In content it seems.

[jollyjack]

I just ordered it, your list could be a welcome addition.

I am mainly interested in the small planes, not as much them big jets ..  like that Zenith CH701 STOL add-on.

[ZachariasX]

4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I think someone should put together a list of the aircraft that are top-drawer in all areas. Flight model, exterior, interior. Too much variability In content it seems.

So far I think only the DC-6 (PMDG) and Just Flight’s PA-28R Arrow III give most depht to the simulation. The DC-6 has the downside of having slightly absur modelled engine mechanics, but in principle you can do as they say in the manual, but it certainly doesn't simulate the engines even remotely correct. The Arrow is a simpler thing and more within what the current SDK can provide. I do not own it (I don't like the Arrow, even though it is a good aircraft), but from reviews, it seems to be consistently on top.

 

As for the rest... I mean you get plenty of airctaft with the sim and from what I see most publishers have a hard time really surpassing stock offerings, even though their FM often leaves lots to be desired. The stock Pitts is a particular monstrosity in that regard.

 

But for info on what is going on, that is an ok site:

https://msfsaddons.com/

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by ZachariasX

[dburne]

If you were never overly impressed with the people animations in MSFS 2020, better take another look.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by dburne

[ZachariasX]

You have to be very young or very stupid to do certain things like around-the-globe-in-a-light-GA-plane:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/world/zara-rutherford-plane-pilot.html

 

I prefer black screen over death.

[Monostripezebra]

Despite all its shortcomings, I have a lot of fun with the Ju52. I really find it has a nice fun-to-money ratio.