Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[ST_Catchov]

9 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Is it not time for the aussies to get better internet? I know it is a continent. But with todays technollogy it for sure is possible

 

Lol you don't know Australia do you. Political incompetence and short term vision.

 

Tell him Feathered. I'm sick of trying to explain it.

[ZachariasX]

6 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I cannot even find where it installed to. 

The default is the partition where you specified in Windows that apps are stored. Default is C:\ and if you don’t see a (hidden) „WindowsApps“ folder on other partitions, then it is c. This is a small install with (I guess mainly the DRM BS) and then it asks you „where it should download to“. This is where most of the game really installs to with all 120 or so gigabytes. The default install path is C:\Program Files\.

 

But In my case I only could install „Flight Simulator“ and not the deluxe version, yet I got the complete thing. Easiest to check is looking in your hangar and count the airplanes. With 30, you‘re all set.

[Hoots]

7 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Is there no MSFS2020 forum where you can find people who can actually help you?

There is yes

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/

 

[Lusekofte]

8 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

@ 216th_LuseKofte

 

Do the premium aircraft show up in the content manager?

At least some do. Say down load , available 0 B .

not up to date like those in standard

Edited September 26, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Guest deleted@50488]

8 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I simply cannot understand it. Un installed it reinstalled it. Again just standard, says I own  deluxe premium download and  install from markedplace Still get just standard. This time I let it go where it suggested. 
I am out of ideas. I so fed up by this crap. I cannot even find where it installed to. 
 

 

I had a problem with my 2nd install of the DVD std version and decided to contact the MS Gamestore support through the chat window.

 

It worked beautifully and they solved my problems.

 

You might want to try it too ?

[Lusekofte]

29 minutes ago, jcomm-in-il2 said:

 

I had a problem with my 2nd install of the DVD std version and decided to contact the MS Gamestore support through the chat window.

 

It worked beautifully and they solved my problems.

 

You might want to try it too ?

I cannot find any chat support. 

8 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Is there no MSFS2020 forum where you can find people who can actually help you?

They havent yet

 

[fiddlinjim]

11 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Is there no MSFS2020 forum where you can find people who can actually help you?

Here is there forum:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/top/daily

[DD_Arthur]

13 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I simply cannot understand it. 

 

I haven't had a good look at my install as I've got plenty of other stuff on my plate at the moment but check this out Luse;

 

https://flightsimulator.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015946980-Missing-Deluxe-or-Deluxe-Premium-DLC-content-Microsoft-Store-

 

As I read it I had that 'starting to loose the will' feeling.  Something to do with all the Microsoft bollox they make you jump through to buy and download the game?

I might have a good look later tonight.....

Edited September 26, 2020 by DD_Arthur

[dbzero]

13 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

Lol you don't know Australia do you. Political incompetence and short term vision.

 

Tell him Feathered. I'm sick of trying to explain it.

Is slow internet true for the urban and suburban areas too?

 

Here in the states there is a difference between the urban and rural areas. Even in a high tech oriented state like California. I have access to blazing fast internet where I live, but when I travel out to the rural areas of the state to visit friends they have only limited and very slow internet.

on the other hand if you’re into guns and shooting...

On 9/22/2020 at 6:41 AM, ZachariasX said:

If it is indeed only METAR that REX uses, then it probably gives little more than what you already have for small GA planes But for planes with weather radar, you get that functtionality. If that is useful to you, your decision. The main difference that you will see is that weather transitions insetah of just outright changes. For any long haul, this is significant. You don't "jump" from one METAR setting to the next. Weather adjusts in between. That is a huge difference. Especially when METAR regions don't match climate barriers.

 

I would like something like FS Global real Weather that had weather data beyond METAR and has better coverage in places where no airports are. Smooth transition between stations is a must of course.

Interesting info. The one thing that did catch my eye with REX was the historical weather you could load. Flying a C-130 through some past major weather event like a hurricane would be of interest to me or just loading a major weather event and flying the drone through it is of interest to me.

 

Speaking of drones I can’t wait for a predator and other drones to be released...can have some fun sending screenshots to friends as a joke.

 

I once sent a screenshot of a predator over his appx location in Xplane. He got a laugh out of it, especially considering his political leanings...

 

With MS2020 and it’s near photorealistic images you can have some real fun. I’m already seeing people use it in apps like TicTok.

[Hoots]

6 hours ago, Hoots said:

There is yes

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/

 

no one listens to me... sniff

[CanadaOne]

10 minutes ago, Hoots said:

no one listens to me... sniff

 

I'm sorry, what? 

[Lusekofte]

15 minutes ago, Hoots said:

no one listens to me... sniff

I did. Thanks. But seems like Arthur is on to something I did not find there

 

Edit: I gonna ask for refund. It say I have to uninstall latest update from windows and then reinstall windows. 

Having a sim demanding that if I ever going to get new stuff is fucking out of the question. 
 

this is redicilous 

Edited September 26, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[CanadaOne]

11 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I did. Thanks. But seems like Arthur is on to something I did not find there

 

Edit: I gonna ask for refund. It say I have to uninstall latest update from windows and then reinstall windows. 

Having a sim demanding that if I ever going to get new stuff is fucking out of the question. 
 

this is redicilous 

 

It's really that bad? 

 

That's a total pain. 

[DD_Arthur]

26 minutes ago, Hoots said:

no one listens to me... sniff

I can read the official forum on my phone but on my pc it won’t let me. The only option it gives me is to create an account. If I try to create an account it tells me email address is already in use and won’t let me go further?. It all seems to be tied to Microsoft issuing me with different (bizarre) user names for the game itself, my Microsoft account and my  Xbox live account.  I find it all?

[Lusekofte]

7 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

It's really that bad? 

 

That's a total pain. 

They have a sim and their operative system wont let it install so I have to reinstall their operating system. 
They can go and fuck themselves two times for wasting my time with this crap. 
I do not mind bugs and teething problems. But having a operating system chosen because I want sims in it, and only that. They are not able to provide that system to cooperate with their own sim. Then ask the customer, who have spent one day reinstalling their sim to spend two more days to reinstall win 10 and their sim 

To me that is out of the question. 
I rather blow my pc with ? than accommodate their incompetance

[SAS_Storebror]

Sit back and relax.

"Reinstall Windows" has always been the only answer Microsoft Support would ever give.

No wonder they do the same with MSFS 2020.

 

Back to your real issue.

If you're using the sim on Steam or Windows Store and are not seeing the Deluxe or Premium content you are entitled to, then completely log out of both Microsoft Flight Simulator and Steam/Windows Store. Next, reload Steam/Windows Store then launch the sim again and head to the marketplace, where you should see the Deluxe or Premium content is now marked as owned and available for download.

If this doesn't resolve the missing deluxe or premium content issue, you'll need to submit a support ticket via Zendesk for investigation.

 

If your content isn't available or downloads get stuck and you've got your game from Windows Store:

 

1. Open the Xbox Console Companion app.
2. Go to Settings .
3. Hit the Sign Out button.
4. Then Log-in back again.
5. Launch the Microsoft Flight Simulator.

If that didn’t work, please:

1. Windows Settings
2. Gaming
3. Xbox Networking
4. Check if the Server Connectivity says Connected.

Some other issues and potential solutions mentioned here: https://www.gamesradar.com/flight-sim-2020-issues/

 

Mike

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, SAS_Storebror said:

• Windows Settings
• Gaming
• Xbox Networking
• Check if the Server Connectivity says Connected.

This is the problem. Now I have to find out how to run as a admin in dos command. Terredo is not qualified and network blocked. Pushing fix did not do the trick. This really is frustrating

Edited September 26, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Lusekofte]

Well getting it unblocked is not easy. I still have not made it. I am not used to this dos command 

In fact this task is more complicated than I bother to follow, It is two full pages of dos commands and checks

I find this as a evidence that MS software very shortly will be flying out the windows with the hardware containing it.

Thanks for the tip, Mike . But this going south , and I will attempt a refund. 

When Microsoft is able to make a software that contain a download button followed with a start button, I might pick this up again.

And I end my conversation here, and start one over at MS ticket and forum

Edited September 27, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Feathered_IV]

12 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I did. Thanks. But seems like Arthur is on to something I did not find there

 

Edit: I gonna ask for refund. It say I have to uninstall latest update from windows and then reinstall windows. 

Having a sim demanding that if I ever going to get new stuff is fucking out of the question. 

I reinstalled Windows last weekend for the first time in many years.  There is a thing they have now called Fresh Start which reinstalls and updates the OS but leaves all your files pics and favourites exactly where you left them.  Any programs installed on C/: will go, but everything else remains.  It was a pretty painless exercise all round.  

[SAS_Storebror]

8 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Well getting it unblocked is not easy. I still have not made it. I am not used to this dos command 

In fact this task is more complicated than I bother to follow, It is two full pages of dos commands and checks

 

Bear with me but I didn't even get your issue fully yet.

You wrote

13 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I have to find out how to run as a admin in dos command. Terredo is not qualified and network blocked.

...but eh... which dos command? "Terredo"?

Sounds like someone gave advice to you to do something because of something else you found out, but neither of these you told to us.

If you could elaborate your issue and what exactly you're attempting to do now a bit, maybe we can help you out.

It reads a bit like an IPv6 stack issue, and if so it's an easy fix probably - and not to be blamed on MSFS2020 at all, rather on Microsoft's IPv6 implementation in Windows in general, in which case a reinstall of Windows won't get you out anyway - but we need to know more details.

 

Mike

[ST_Catchov]

1 hour ago, SAS_Storebror said:

 

 

It reads a bit like an IPv6 stack issue

 

 

 

Yep, it had crossed my mind but I wasn't sure. I don't think this dos thing or a reinstall is necessary. But like you said we need more details. Hoping for the best outcome for LuseKofte. He really is going through shit.

[ZachariasX]

It is that. The Microsoft Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface (as it is known) can make problems with certain ways of downloading, torrent software has a habit of having problems with it. But with FS2020, this would come as a surprise. Also, only getting partial content but a fully working game otherwise sounds like a messed up licensing.

[Lusekofte]

Terredo got two pages of posible solutions for getting the network unblocked and autherized Following those steps is involving some cmd lines

2 hours ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Microsoft's IPv6 implementation in Windows in general, in which case a reinstall of Windows won't get you out anyway - but we need to know more details.

Terredo suggest it is this. I havno more info to give. 
 

 

17 hours ago, SAS_Storebror said:

• Windows Settings
• Gaming
• Xbox Networking
• Check if the Server Connectivity says Connected.

This is the step I am trying to solve. Initially  my pc had 1 hour early system time. And Terredo support say that could be the problem

But it was not. 

[SAS_Storebror]

Do you have "Intel Management Engine" installed?

Uninstall it.

Do you have any VPN services active?

Make sure to disable them.

Does your router use your ISP's DNS?

Try to enter OpenDNS  Server addresses instead.

[dbzero]

Rex Real Weather is now available. $21. I’m going to give it a try. 1st pay add on for me.

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Do you have "Intel Management Engine" installed?

Uninstall it.

This is not an option you have. It is the core of Intels (broken) security platform that your system runs on. The only way to uninstall it is to buy AMD, but then you get their flavor of that thing.

[Monostripezebra]

Just a little fun exploring the world.. the Cub is just so basic simple fun to take everywhere.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Guys thank you for your advices. But to me it is a principle. Their software prevent me from using their software. 
And the hassle to fix it is all mine. 
I can live with standard , but this prevent me from buying planes too. It is in fact like the software let me download all things snd install it. But will not let me use it, game store tells me it is not available in Korea, interesting, but I am not there.  
I shelved this, I have not the faintest idea what to do. With this and all the hardware. I am basically fed up with GB and DCS and X plane 

I will take a break from it all, again thanks very appreciating, but it is simply too much 

things everywhere else to consider. I use sims to get away from all problems like this, and MS instead creat them I really got a hard time swollow

[dbzero]

1 hour ago, dbzero said:

Rex Real Weather is now available. $21. I’m going to give it a try. 1st pay add on for me.

I bought and downloaded. Had to use their downloader. Not a big hassle but would have preferred it be integrated into FS.

 

Getting it running in FS2020 is made easier with 2 monitors as I was able to drag the menu to second monitor.

 

So far in first flight taking off from SFO using live weather I notice a subtle difference. It’s a clear day but there is a haze in the sky. Don’t know if thats due to the smoke from the fires or something else.

 

Another thing that seems different is the terrain. I don’t know if Asobo made changes in recent updates, but the area around the Bay Area looks different that I recall when FS first released. 
 

it looks even more amazing.

 

I’ll have to play around some more and see what different weather looks like

58 minutes ago, Monostripezebra said:

Just a little fun exploring the world.. the Cub is just so basic simple fun to take everywhere.

 

 

Definitely one of my favs. Simple to fly. Does take a while to get where you want. 
 

The jets are faster, but I don’t know if it’s me doing something wrong but the Citations in the game seem awfully squirrelly to fly, while plane like the Cub aren’t as touchy. 

[ZachariasX]

7 minutes ago, dbzero said:

So far in first flight taking off from SFO using live weather I notice a subtle difference. It’s a clear day but there is a haze in the sky. Don’t know if thats due to the smoke from the fires or something else.

I got it as well. That stupid thing only runs as admin. As usual. REX products want that. m( But that is not the problem. It refuses to download METAR data. Only in one instance it did so. I don't know why.

 

Only LSZT got METAR data, the rest stays empty, producing clear skys. This really needs some further love. But when it works, it looks nice.

 

[dbzero]

43 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

I got it as well. That stupid thing only runs as admin. As usual. REX products want that. m( But that is not the problem. It refuses to download METAR data. Only in one instance it did so. I don't know why.

 

Only LSZT got METAR data, the rest stays empty, producing clear skys. This really needs some further love. But when it works, it looks nice.

 

Are you using VPN? For some reason FS2020 and VPN often won’t run and if it does it drops. I have to disable VPN to have FS function.

 

I just tried using KLAX and it’s not working at the moment. I did a search in ReX and it came up but only the Cancel button appears highlighted so may not be functioning atm. 
 

I think data is being pulled from REX servers. I doubt they have the infrastructure like Microsoft. With the record number of sales, joysticks selling at high premiums, REX servers may get hammered if data is being pulled from them.

 

I tried SEA and no luck so like you I have a one successful load (KSFO) and no luck since. 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by dbzero

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, dbzero said:

Rex Real Weather is now available. $21. I’m going to give it a try. 1st pay add on for me.

 

Looking forward to some videos showing what it does.

 

But unless I can get it through the FS20 Marketplace, I'll skip it. I have FS20 on Steam, and I keep my FS20 and DCS purchases going through my Steam wallet. I keep my wallet fed and when something that looks good pops up, "Boom!" One click purchase. 

 

Gotta love Steam for making it easy for them to take all your money. 

[ZachariasX]

 

1 hour ago, dbzero said:

I just tried using KLAX and it’s not working at the moment. I did a search in ReX and it came up but only the Cancel button appears highlighted so may not be functioning atm. 

It just doesn't load it in the list in the program for me to read the METAR data. It does inject it in the sim (eventually). I think the program is not really a finished one.

 

The weather itself is indeed a marked inprovement, especially with the weather changing over time, making simple flight as interesting as it can get when you didn't study the bulletin before takeoff.

 

What I also find is that like this the sim puts a lot more strain on the GPU. There is way more cloud texture loaded. At 1440p, VRAM usage climbed from ~6 GB to about 7 GB on my GF1080 that is now clearly the bottleneck for overall frametime! Reducing weather refresh a couple of miliseconds eases some strain on the GPU.

 

Overall, it is impressive what the sim can achieve with "a little help" beyond of what it already does.

[SAS_Storebror]

2 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

This is not an option you have.

 

Of course it is.

Open Windows Settings > Apps and then click on Apps & Futures. Look on R.H. Panel for Intel Management Engine Components and click on it. Now click on Uninstall.

 

2 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

game store tells me it is not available in Korea, interesting, but I am not there

 

That gets us much closer to the issue Otto.

Either you are using a VPN service - maybe some Antivirus thing with a "privacy" component in it - or you just had bad luck and your ISP bought some new IP ranges which formerly belonged to a korean ISP.

From what I can see on the SAS forums, your IP addresses all seem to be ones that have been known to belong to your norwegian ISP for a pretty long time, so if I had to guess, I'd blame it on some Antivirus + privacy combo.

 

Mike

[ZachariasX]

1 minute ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Of course it is.

Open Windows Settings > Apps and then click on Apps & Futures. Look on R.H. Panel for Intel Management Engine Components and click on it. Now click on Uninstall.

The intel ME is hardware. It tells your chipset what is can do and it initializes your CPU. It is a microcontroller, an embedded CPU with it's own OS. It runs indepenedtly of your system and has full access on all your devices.

 

What you do, it you remove the program layer that can read the management engine that runs either way and find out if "something happened". It is indeed not required and you can do without knowing the status of your ME. If that is required to make a certain program run, then it is nothing short of technological bankruptcy of all parties involved. (Well, we never wanted the Intel ME anyway, as it is a great vetor to get a hold of your system in a way that you cannot prevent.)

[dbzero]

4 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Looking forward to some videos showing what it does.

 

But unless I can get it through the FS20 Marketplace, I'll skip it. I have FS20 on Steam, and I keep my FS20 and DCS purchases going through my Steam wallet. I keep my wallet fed and when something that looks good pops up, "Boom!" One click purchase. 

 

Gotta love Steam for making it easy for them to take all your money. 

One of the first of what will probably be many reviews. Definitely a work in progress.

 

 

4 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

 

It just doesn't load it in the list in the program for me to read the METAR data. It does inject it in the sim (eventually). I think the program is not really a finished one.

 

The weather itself is indeed a marked inprovement, especially with the weather changing over time, making simple flight as interesting as it can get when you didn't study the bulletin before takeoff.

 

What I also find is that like this the sim puts a lot more strain on the GPU. There is way more cloud texture loaded. At 1440p, VRAM usage climbed from ~6 GB to about 7 GB on my GF1080 that is now clearly the bottleneck for overall frametime! Reducing weather refresh a couple of miliseconds eases some strain on the GPU.

 

Overall, it is impressive what the sim can achieve with "a little help" beyond of what it already does.

One of the risks of being an early adopter-you become a paying beta tester. Still I'm not regretting the purchase.

 

I didn't notice a big slowdown, but I was flying in pretty clear skies. I'll have to try again and load up something with lots of clouds and run FRAPs. I run at ultra setting at 2560x1080 with some things turned down a little. I have a I6700K CPU and RTX 2080 and 32 megs of RAM .

 

I'm eyeing a new system using a faster Intel CPU and NVIDIA 3000 series GPU. I'm sure as more add-on come available people will be loading up more CPU/GPU intensive processes and are going to continue to tax hardware.

 

Another review-highlighted same bug I've experienced so definitely needs more work. Can't link as Youtube won't allow it.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by dbzero

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, dbzero said:

One of the first of what will probably be many reviews. Definitely a work in progress.

 

Thanks for the video.

 

If I was a hardcore flyer, I could see getting it. But with the style of flying I do I find the weather as it is to be pretty good. Also, there's no way I'm setting up another account, this time with REX, just to pay $20 for that thing. I'm fed up with making accounts for everything.

 

They can sell it to me on Steam or make they can make their product completely irresistible if they want me to have to sign up just for the pleasure of giving them my money.

[dbzero]

56 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Thanks for the video.

 

If I was a hardcore flyer, I could see getting it. But with the style of flying I do I find the weather as it is to be pretty good. Also, there's no way I'm setting up another account, this time with REX, just to pay $20 for that thing. I'm fed up with making accounts for everything.

 

They can sell it to me on Steam or make they can make their product completely irresistible if they want me to have to sign up just for the pleasure of giving them my money.

I setup a flight out of Stewart AK and the default in FS2020 is clear skies, while REX had it as raining. Absolutely amazing to fly in  REX....

 

Unfortunately based on what I've seen I can't recommend you buy it, unless you're willing to put up with the bugs and quirks. Obviously released too early-probably to beat the crowd. Getting REX to work is a process of trial and error and just getting it to work is a chore. Its just shouldn't be. When you do get it working though its amazing.

 

Another irritating quirk is everything you start it you have to enter your user name, email and serial number. What the F..K is that all about? I even resorted to uninstall and re-installing as admin to see if that would get rid of that irritating, but no. I  still had to enter all that info  every-time I start REX. If I understand the review video I saw on YouTube this is not a bug, but a requirement. If so the people at REX need to put down the crack pipe.

 

Steam is nice, but Steam also takes a cut off each copy of software sold so many developers shun Steam.

 

I just contacted REX support and reported all the issues and mentioned that I couldn't recommend their product to other flight simmers in its current state. I also indicated I would be willing to schedule an online support call to look into the issues. Maybe this will help in tracking down and squashing bugs.

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by dbzero

[CanadaOne]

27 minutes ago, dbzero said:

I setup a flight out of Stewart AK and the default in FS2020 is clear skies, while REX had it as raining. Absolutely amazing to fly in  REX....

 

Unfortunately based on what I've seen I can't recommend you buy it, unless you're willing to put up with the bugs and quirks. Obviously released too early-probably to beat the crowd. Getting REX to work is a process of trial and error and just getting it to work is a chore. Its just shouldn't be. When you do get it working though its amazing.

 

Another irritating quirk is everything you start it you have to enter your user name, email and serial number. What the F..K is that all about? I even resorted to uninstall and re-installing as admin to see if that would get rid of that irritating, but no. I  still had to enter all that info  every-time I start REX. If I understand the review video I saw on YouTube this is not a bug, but a requirement. If so the people at REX need to put down the crack pipe.

 

Steam is nice, but Steam also takes a cut off each copy of software sold so many developers shun Steam.

 

I just contacted REX support and reported all the issues and mentioned that I couldn't recommend their product to other flight simmers in its current state. I also indicated I would be willing to schedule an online support call to look into the issues. Maybe this will help in tracking down and squashing bugs.

 

 

The "make an account and sign in every time you use it" is a huge deal breaker for me. I wouldn't pay $10 for it under those conditions.

 

And I understand that Steam take a cut, but because of Steam, and only because of Steam, have I bought games like Universe Sandbox. For certain products the exposure is well worth the cut. I'd say for 99% of the stuff I might buy for FS20 - if it's not on Steam, I'm not buying it. I'm not doing any more accounts and email verification and credit card info with any more companies. Sell it to me through Steam, or sell it to me without having to make an account of any kind, or no money for you.

 

Pardon my venting. 

[messsucher]

Steam is a marketplace. You must pay so that you can get into that marketplace. Before Steam there was your retailer taking cut and logistics & packaging.