Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[SYN_Vander]

5 hours ago, Hoots said:

 

Way too refined... Look at it being all sleek and shiny.

 

This more your style? You could try crossing the Atlantic with it ?

[Guest deleted@50488]

 

 

[AndyJWest]

Gratuitous eye-candy of the day:

 

Note how the cloud cover follows the high ground of Haiti below - something you'll often see in satellite images of such islands. I'd noticed the same effect earlier, with the XCub over the Azores, but was too low to really confirm it.

 

I'm usually a fan of prop-twins, but the King Air is a little bland for my taste. And the squeaky-clean cockpits don't help. Real aeroplanes (and airplanes ?) have scuff marks, and the best ones have duct tape and baling wire performing useful cockpit functions. And at least one apparently essential instrument labelled 'inop' with a post-it note that's clearly been there since 2007. 

[Lusekofte]

7 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Real aeroplanes (and airplanes ?) have scuff marks, and the best ones have duct tape and baling wire performing useful cockpit functions.

I really hope for a old beach or Dakota modeled that way. Or a Beaver owned by a old trapper, fixed with love by things available

[Guest deleted@50488]

On 9/21/2020 at 10:27 AM, SAS_Storebror said:

I'm not convinced yet.

The dancing 109 with it's physics-denying negative G manoeuvres after having received a few thousand cal .50 bullets is probably not what you're referring to, right?

I mean... there's little WW2 planes yet in MSFS 2020 (actually: Zero) and little airliners or private aircraft in IL-2 either (actually: Zero), so how do they compare?

How would a P-47 fly in MSFS 2020, and how a 747 in IL-2?

We don't know.

 

Mike

You may have a point when it comes to comparing types, although we can pick in MFS aircraft that are more or less in the same aerodynamics class of some fighters in IL-2, but above all it's the details when you ( try ) to dig into the MODERN FM. 

 

Not much info available yet, but we're still stuck with the good old limitations that MS FS ever posed to such basic stuff as, among many many in a certainly long list - modelling trim, from elevator to other types, the absent effects of deflected propwash due to wing camber changes due to lift augmentation devices ( htail AoA is fixed ), engine modelling limitations, an almost inexistent damage model, not being able to model aircraft with more than 1 reference main wing, ground physics ( again the messed friction coefficients - and I must say IL-2 is still by far my preferred sim in terms of ground physics ? ) and many, many more details that although this "new" Modern FM may suggest are still inherited from previous versions of MS FS...

 

Of course IL-2 is far from perfect, but given that I don't like combat sims, it is still my Go-To option when I start feeling deeply disappointed with the alternatives...

[SAS_Storebror]

Are you sure you're not talking about FSX still?

[Guest deleted@50488]

47 minutes ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Are you sure you're not talking about FSX still?

 

Unfortunately, I'm afraid not...

 

I.e.: https://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/prop-wash-effects-on-yaw-roll.449169/

 

Not to talk of details like the way IL-2 models for instance some aerodynamic systems that aren't even by far available in MFS even through the MODERN FM, such as slats in a 109, that can't actually be modelled in X-Plane either, at least in as far as asymmetric deployment goes...

 

Do you know that in MFS there isn't yet a modelling of elevator trim other than as it being, just like since fs4, a stabilator ( airline style ) approach ?

Do you know the trimming of other control surfaces is still not dependent on dynamic pressure ?

...

That's why some 5 years ago I landed in IL2 land, a bit against my will, but immediately fell in love by the "feel of being there" this sim provides, even more IMO than DCS World ...

 

For sure MFS is now the very BEST World Visuals Flight sim... Great to use as a visuals generator for other sims ( ELITE XTS, Aerowinx PSX... )

 

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by jcomm-in-il2

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, jcomm-in-il2 said:

MODERN FM

Define?

[Lusekofte]

Modern FM can be selected in msfs

it is on as default. I tried realistic and my cessna flew sideways

[SAS_Storebror]

Simple truth is to me both IL-2 and MSFS flight models have their good and bad sides.

I prefer not to focus too much on tiny issues if the overall impression is good.

As it stands, I have yet to face a showstopper issue in MSFS 2020 myself, whereas in IL-2 I'm constantly facing one since April when the 4.005 patch got released.

Carefully modelled slats in IL-2 can't help me with that.

But the incredible eye candy in MSFS, together with a flight model which to me is just as believable as the IL-2 one is - each with their different minor issues - even gets me to accept the occasional CTD's MSFS still suffers from (for me).

 

Mike

[Bremspropeller]

23 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

I'm usually a fan of prop-twins, but the King Air is a little bland for my taste. And the squeaky-clean cockpits don't help. Real aeroplanes (and airplanes ?) have scuff marks, and the best ones have duct tape and baling wire performing useful cockpit functions. And at least one apparently essential instrument labelled 'inop' with a post-it note that's clearly been there since 2007. 

 

That's because they're all Glass Cockpit.

 

Get the payware KA350 for xPlane and you'll have a much deeper and more satisfying King Air experience.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Bremspropeller

[Blooddawn1942]

Finally I got the JetSeat running. I needed to install a legacy version of SimConnect and now it runs just fine. 

[Lusekofte]

17 hours ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Simple truth is to me both IL-2 and MSFS flight models have their good and bad sides.

I prefer not to focus too much on tiny issues if the overall impression is good.

As it stands, I have yet to face a showstopper issue in MSFS 2020 myself, whereas in IL-2 I'm constantly facing one since April when the 4.005 patch got released.

Carefully modelled slats in IL-2 can't help me with that.

But the incredible eye candy in MSFS, together with a flight model which to me is just as believable as the IL-2 one is - each with their different minor issues - even gets me to accept the occasional CTD's MSFS still suffers from (for me).

 

Mike

I am with you, as long as I can play along in a feeling of realism. What you see outside the window is a big part of that. 
For me , stupid as I am that and the hardware I fly with , the feel of real flight. 
My problem with GB is the way servers play out. I simply cannot in best will get a realistic feel in mp nor career. But I can in msfs. For now it saved my hobby

[DBFlyguy]

And for Microsoft/Asobo's hold my beer moment of the week ?

 

 

I had completely forgotten that FREE world updates were in the pipeline too, this is coming next week!

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by DBFlyguy

[SAS_Storebror]

On 9/23/2020 at 11:39 AM, jcomm-in-il2 said:

Not to talk of details like the way IL-2 models for instance some aerodynamic systems that aren't even by far available in MFS even through the MODERN FM, such as slats in a 109, that can't actually be modelled in X-Plane either, at least in as far as asymmetric deployment goes...

 

Do you know that in MFS there isn't yet a modelling of elevator trim other than as it being, just like since fs4, a stabilator ( airline style ) approach ?

Do you know the trimming of other control surfaces is still not dependent on dynamic pressure ?

...

That's why some 5 years ago I landed in IL2 land, a bit against my will, but immediately fell in love by the "feel of being there" this sim provides, even more IMO than DCS World ...

 

How come I had to think of your post when I saw this video illustrating one of the ingenious features of the superior IL-2 flight modellings?

 

 

 

No hard feelings, it's just that this is so hilarious  

 

Mike

[CanadaOne]

41 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

And for Microsoft/Asobo's hold my beer moment of the week ?

 

 

I had completely forgotten that FREE world updates were in the pipeline too, this is coming next week!

 

 

 

Oooooohhhh, that's nice!

 

I hope they start doing this all over the world.

 

 

[Blooddawn1942]

59 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

 

Oooooohhhh, that's nice!

 

I hope they start doing this all over the world.

 

 

I can't believe that such an update is free! If so..... then I'm out of words. 

[CanadaOne]

9 minutes ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

I can't believe that such an update is free! If so..... then I'm out of words. 

 

Don't tell MS, but I would be happy to pay for enhanced scenery regions... as long as I could pick the region.

 

If I wanted access to enhanced scenery for Canada (obviously), I would pay extra pay $? for it. Just like the premium aircraft and airports. 

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

If I wanted access to enhanced scenery for Canada (obviously), I would pay extra pay $? for it. Just like the premium aircraft and airports. 

I payed for delux version. And it suddenly dawned on me I only get the standard edition installed. When I get home tomorrow I will reinstall. 

And I ordered a new Yoke. The Honeycomb simply is not quite my taste. 
Accurate and smooth, but simply too soft on ailerons. Yoko do not have 180 degree turn but long pitch travel. Ah well I found a cheaper with 180 degree aileron and even longer pitch. And bought a new stick. A choosable self centering or non centering.
And a Honeycomb throttle

All this because of msfs and the fact that I decided to skip another generation gpu 

all these 3 is btw cheaper than Yoko yoke put together. 
This sim better be delivering, I blame my stupidity on it. 
And in order to keep my old vintage throttle in good use I ordered two big blocks from glv. This hobby start to make me not only look stupid but prove it too
 

Edited September 24, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I payed for delux version. And it suddenly dawned on me I only get the standard edition installed. When I get home tomorrow I will reinstall. 

And I ordered a new Yoke. The Honeycomb simply is not quite my taste. 
Accurate and smooth, but simply too soft on ailerons. Yoko do not have 180 degree turn but long pitch travel. Ah well I found a cheaper with 180 degree aileron and even longer pitch. And bought a new stick. A choosable self centering or non centering.
And a Honeycomb throttle

All this because of msfs and the fact that I decided to skip another generation gpu 

all these 3 is btw cheaper than Yoko yoke put together. 
This sim better be delivering, I blame my stupidity on it. 
And in order to keep my old vintage throttle in good use I ordered two big blocks from glv. This hobby start to make me not only look stupid but prove it too
 

 

 

 

 

I covet thy mechanicals. 

 

My buddy is building his own yoke. He's a tech guy and knows how build stuff. I'll have to get you some pics.

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I payed for delux version. And it suddenly dawned on me I only get the standard edition installed. When I get home tomorrow I will reinstall. 

And I ordered a new Yoke. The Honeycomb simply is not quite my taste. 
Accurate and smooth, but simply too soft on ailerons. Yoko do not have 180 degree turn but long pitch travel. Ah well I found a cheaper with 180 degree aileron and even longer pitch. And bought a new stick. A choosable self centering or non centering.
And a Honeycomb throttle

All this because of msfs and the fact that I decided to skip another generation gpu 

all these 3 is btw cheaper than Yoko yoke put together. 
This sim better be delivering, I blame my stupidity on it. 
And in order to keep my old vintage throttle in good use I ordered two big blocks from glv. This hobby start to make me not only look stupid but prove it too
 

At this point I think you are singlehandedly staving off the recession for flight sims and peripherals!

[DD_Arthur]

4 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I payed for delux version. And it suddenly dawned on me I only get the standard edition installed. When I get home tomorrow I will reinstall. 

WTF! I read this, checked my game and yep - bought the bestest and realise I’ve got the basic?

[Lusekofte]

5 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

WTF! I read this, checked my game and yep - bought the bestest and realise I’ve got the basic?

I feel a bit cheated , myself

[ZachariasX]

6 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

WTF! I read this, checked my game and yep - bought the bestest and realise I’ve got the basic?

Because the bestest wasn‘t released initially, it was just in the store but not marked ready for download.

[SAS_Storebror]

I found the Microsoft Store Download options a bit confusing too.

In my case, the Store App listed 3 things I've owned:

• Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (sic! - That's the Standard Edition!)
• Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 Premium Deluxe
• Digital Ownership (with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 Icon on it)

Item no.1 will probably get you the Standard Edition installed, even if you bought Premium Deluxe.
Item no.2 is the right one.
Item no.3 is just a dud.

 

Mike

[ZachariasX]

14 minutes ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Item no.2 is the right one.

 

Is it ready for installation in your store account? "Premium Deluxe" version insn't listed in the "ready for installation" section.

[SAS_Storebror]

Yes it is:

 

Mike

[ZachariasX]

Waaat??? I have to uninstall to get the possibility to Install? How do i get the full version? The upgrade is equally unavailable in my storepage.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Just out of curiosity, after initially having got MFS through the Alpha program, and then later bought it from Steam, I asked for a Steam refund, which I was promptly given, and bought the DVD version.

 

With the 10 DVDs burnt into ISO files, an MFS reinstall now takes usually no longer than 25 - 30 min including the final download it always makes from the cloud of a few Gigas...

[Lusekofte]

I really hate MS way to distribute a game, I feel a growing hate toward it. What is wrong with a simple DL button

 

Edited September 25, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[ZachariasX]

Ok, my bad. I always had it. But when installing all I could install was the "Mictrosoft Flight Simulator" and the other options besides the "Digital Ownership" (that does nothing) were there, but not selectable for install. So I figured I start with what they had at release and installed that one.

 

Funny enough, the  store looks like this now. While I do have the "Flight Simulator" installed and the upgrades unavailable, I can "manage" the "Deluxe Premium" edition and launch the game from there as well.

 

In game, there is no screen showing what you installed other then the version number during startup. As I do have 30 aircraft in the hangar, it must be the "deluxe premium edition".

 

You know, I really wonder what those guys that are managing the Windows store actually do for a living.

 

[Hoots]

You can see what you have installed in the Marketplace section. go to official content and there's a filter for "installed"

[Feathered_IV]

When you’re downloading the game, can you pause the download and resume another day if necessary or do you need to  do it all in one go?  With my crappy Australian internets speeds Im looking at 8 to 9 days if I download in the evening and over the weekends. 

[ZachariasX]

Yes, there is a pause button and you can resume later on.

[Lusekofte]

16 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

When you’re downloading the game, can you pause the download and resume another day if necessary or do you need to  do it all in one go?  With my crappy Australian internets speeds Im looking at 8 to 9 days if I download in the evening and over the weekends. 

Is it not time for the aussies to get better internet? I know it is a continent. But with todays technollogy it for sure is possible

[CUJO_1970]

I’m letting you guys work out all the kinks before I upgrade and install ?

[Lusekofte]

Well have come home. Uninstalled GB and let msfs install where it want to. I hope this will make use of markedplace more smooth. I am visiting my daughter and msfs is downloading  while I am here. 
then we will see

[Lusekofte]

I simply cannot understand it. Un installed it reinstalled it. Again just standard, says I own  deluxe premium download and  install from markedplace Still get just standard. This time I let it go where it suggested. 
I am out of ideas. I so fed up by this crap. I cannot even find where it installed to. 
 

Edited September 25, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[AndyJWest]

@ 216th_LuseKofte

 

Do the premium aircraft show up in the content manager?

[BraveSirRobin]

Is there no MSFS2020 forum where you can find people who can actually help you?