Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[BOO]

Not sure when the novelty of buying modules for under a tenner will wear off but ……comeeer An2!! 
 

This sim and the base motivator that I’m closer to co- owning a real 152 than say an F18 is absorbing. That I can fly it virtually  fly out off the same airfield ( Gamston ) as a lad I know from the pub does in RL is something else.  Exactly what I needed. 

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

Not sure when the novelty of buying modules for under a tenner will wear off but ……comeeer An2!! 
 

This sim and the base motivator that I’m closer to co- owning a real 152 than say an F18 is absorbing. That I can fly it virtually  fly out off the same airfield ( Gamston ) as a lad I know from the pub does in RL is something else.  Exactly what I needed. 

I use this sim often to find my next mountain hike 

or see how the terrain is going on the sides I know little about. 
It capture it well 

the An2 is perfect for that

Edited March 27, 2023 by Lusekofte

[SidtheGit]

On 3/18/2023 at 5:51 AM, Veteran66 said:

SHORT STIRLING for MSFS 2020

 

https://secure.simmarket.com/virtavia-short-stirling-msfs.phtml

 

nice WW2 Plane

my wish:

add historically working Bomber sight and Optic to drop the Bombs.
For the Bombs add red smoke so the player can see where the Bombs hit (you know it is a civil flight sim).
After this we get a new gameplay in MSFS 2020

 

 

 

Seeing that we are getting the Mk IV version in amongst the versions I am hoping very much that someone sometime will make a Horsa glider to tow behind it..... 

Edited March 27, 2023 by SidtheGit

[Lusekofte]

Stirling got a good cockpit. I have little knowledge about how the Stirling really was to fly , so I have a bit of inner resistance talking about fm. But you can take off in a short strip with it with bombs on. I haven’t shocked if weight are added or you have to do it manually. But it lift like a bush plane. And without any effort of trimming it fly straight and level. Maybe after latest patch something has turned on flight assistance or something. 
I started all engines just by looking at the pit no video or any kind of tutorial needed. 
so I guess startup is not realistic either. I rather have them fixing it and make it more believable before added content. 

[Gingerwelsh]

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Stirling got a good cockpit. I have little knowledge about how the Stirling really was to fly , so I have a bit of inner resistance talking about fm. But you can take off in a short strip with it with bombs on. I haven’t shocked if weight are added or you have to do it manually. But it lift like a bush plane. And without any effort of trimming it fly straight and level. Maybe after latest patch something has turned on flight assistance or something. 
I started all engines just by looking at the pit no video or any kind of tutorial needed. 
so I guess startup is not realistic either. I rather have them fixing it and make it more believable before added content. 

 

Some RL Stirling traits.

 

It was a handfull on the ground. Prone to swinging on takeoff and landing due to the masking effect of the fuselage on the tail.

A heavy push on the stick was needed to get the tail up as early as possible into the airstream.

It had a swing to the right, so T/O required full power right engines and reduced power left engines to keep straight.

Landing required main wheels first and keep the tail high as long as possible. This made for a long landing.

Experienced pilots prefered a 3 pointer to reduce the distance.

Accidents were high, but pilots could be 19 yo most of which had never driven a car let alone a 4 engine bomber.

In the air it was a different matter.

Highly manoeuverable, it could turn inside most fighters and was pleasant to fly.

Hampered by its short wing and high wing loading, it couldn't get much above 15000' fully loaded.

 

Early aircraft had 2 pilots.

Later this was reduced to 1 pilot, same as Lancaster and Halifax, and a Flight Engineer.

 

A swing would result in the tall undercarriage collapsing.

 

 

 

..

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Gingerwelsh

[Trooper117]

Have a look here...  https://stephentaylorhistorian.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/short-stirling.pdf

[BOO]

Back again.  
 

Im still in my first flush of love phase so forgive me.
 

Using the game  applied settings it looks good and runs well. However being a tweaker I thought I’d have a look at some optimisation guides. Most I’ve found are utter nonsense or very outdated. 
 

Just wonder if my trusted friends here have any “ must dos” in either the game or nvidia control settings. 

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

Back again.  
 

Im still in my first flush of love phase so forgive me.
 

Using the game  applied settings it looks good and runs well. However being a tweaker I thought I’d have a look at some optimisation guides. Most I’ve found are utter nonsense or very outdated. 
 

Just wonder if my trusted friends here have any “ must dos” in either the game or nvidia control settings. 

I have no recommendation for you. But old tutorials are outdated because the sim runs much smoother now. 
I have not taken the time yet for tweaks. 

[BOO]

58 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

I have no recommendation for you. But old tutorials are outdated because the sim runs much smoother now. 
I have not taken the time yet for tweaks. 

I think Arthur’s advice on the lods is the most impactive. NCP setting are pretty much snake oil for the most part. 
 

with mostly ultra I’m hovering around 60 fps when not vsyncd but that’s in a 152 over not a great deal. 
 

for now it will do just fine though. 
 

Currently sat at Scampton waiting for a break in the sims real time weather to take the dog out ( looking out of the lounge window is so last season ?). 

[Lusekofte]

This sim is addictive as long as you have a plan. I am still not satisfied with the choppers

but most planes I bought are from adequate to top 

I really like bushflying and will probably dl some bush strips in the future

[LukeFF]

10 hours ago, BOO said:

Back again.  
 

Im still in my first flush of love phase so forgive me.
 

Using the game  applied settings it looks good and runs well. However being a tweaker I thought I’d have a look at some optimisation guides. Most I’ve found are utter nonsense or very outdated. 
 

Just wonder if my trusted friends here have any “ must dos” in either the game or nvidia control settings. 

 

I'm running an RTX 3080. For the Nvidia control panel, I have everything set to the default values (as I do with IL2). I learned long ago from Jason that fiddling with things in the Nvidia control panel just causes messy conflicts with the in-game graphics settings. Anyways, getting back to MSFS - within the game, I have all graphics settings set to the max, except for the terrain level of detail, which is set to 200. With that, I'm able to run the game very smoothly. 

 

Also, within the graphics settings, I'm running DX12 and have DLSS performance set to Auto.

[Lusekofte]

I fly both 2d and vr , making long flights very easy. This software allowe me for two different settings. It is unique in every way. 
multithreading in DCS won’t reach this in game option to its heals. 
my god they made a total success with this software and only two years in. Imagine what this will become, forget I said that. No one can

[BOO]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

I'm running an RTX 3080. For the Nvidia control panel, I have everything set to the default values (as I do with IL2). I learned long ago from Jason that fiddling with things in the Nvidia control panel just causes messy conflicts with the in-game graphics settings. Anyways, getting back to MSFS - within the game, I have all graphics settings set to the max, except for the terrain level of detail, which is set to 200. With that, I'm able to run the game very smoothly. 

 

Also, within the graphics settings, I'm running DX12 and have DLSS performance set to Auto.

I found turning off the steam overlay helped with the smoothness if not the fps ( had it turned in to use the marketplace). 
 

Those settings are pretty close to mine but being tied to vsync and tir floating around 60 makes me nervous and city flights at lower level a little jerky. 
 

Thankfully I’m not a city sightseer. 
 

[Mtnbiker1998]

This lil guy is easily some of the most fun I've had for 8 bucks in a long time. Did a quick hop across the Chesapeake Bay, following the bridge. Maybe I'll follow in Luke's footsteps and take it around the world! Might take awhile though...

 

Seriously though, Ultralights are a blast in this game, super fun to fly around in and great for taking in the sights at low altitude. Plus, this one can land anywhere!!

[LukeFF]

50 minutes ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

This lil guy is easily some of the most fun I've had for 8 bucks in a long time. Did a quick hop across the Chesapeake Bay, following the bridge. Maybe I'll follow in Luke's footsteps and take it around the world! Might take awhile though...

 

Seriously though, Ultralights are a blast in this game, super fun to fly around in and great for taking in the sights at low altitude. Plus, this one can land anywhere!!

 

Haha, nice. ?? We have quite a few ultralights around here, not far from where I live, because the wind conditions are really ideal.

[Veteran66]

 

[BOO]

Took a break from my learning by the manual C152 flights to go adventuring in the AN2

 

Whilst flying over you house is fun the limitations of the sim in terms of accuracy can be distracting. No issues though when it comes to a playground you’ve never visited. For me this is much more enjoyable. Sure the occasional large museum ship turns into a rock but the overall experience is brilliant. I took the An2 for a spin around the Gold Coast. Very nice. 
 

The An2 itself is great. Pretty unbreakable engine wise at present ( perhaps it is) but enjoyable. Some of the central switch gear looks odd graphically but the rest of the pit is fine. Being something of a hulk it also makes a pleasant change over the Cessna  from being thrown around like a dogs toy. 
 

im enjoying msfs a lot more than even my own enthused expectations anticipated even though I’m still scratching the surface. The game appears to handle edge case fps/vsync a lot better than other sims for some reason whilst providing enough graphical integrity to draw me in. That I can go anywhere my fancy and mood takes me and fly a believable world is incredible. Overflying any city at night at 1500ft is magical  Fantastic distraction to the problems of the real world. 

[Lusekofte]

Like in dcs I try to find my personal GA aeroplane. And I guess it gonna be cessna of some sort in the beginning, and maybe A2A’s coming commanche. 
That , Caribu, Twin Otter , AN 2 , DC 3 and 6 and finally Coming C 160 might be a handful to operate. But I will try. 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Lusekofte

[DD_Arthur]

On 3/28/2023 at 11:35 AM, BOO said:

Currently sat at Scampton waiting 

I can’t wait for the Vulcan to arrive. Looking forward to delivering five megatons onto Sir Edward Leigh’s head?

[JG7_X-Man]

All this talk of MSFS got be missing the heavies! So it turns out thanks to the Heavy Division 787 MSFS mod, the stock 787 is now flyable again! Thank guys for bring this sim back into rotation again!

 

The dream wound be for PMDG to take on the Dreamliner (...did you get it? ). I am not a fan of global work horse (737s) but had their 747s and 777s for FSX and P3D.

Edited March 29, 2023 by JG7_X-Man

[LukeFF]

More news about the first "Expert Series" plane, the ATR-42/72:

 

https://fsnews.eu/asobo-microsoft-showcase-exciting-atr-42-72-for-msfs/

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

I can’t wait for the Vulcan to arrive. Looking forward to delivering five megatons onto Sir Edward Leigh’s head?

Damn I forgot about that. Right in my alley. Huge but fly like a fighter

16 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

This lil guy is easily some of the most fun I've had for 8 bucks in a long time. Did a quick hop across the Chesapeake Bay, following the bridge. Maybe I'll follow in Luke's footsteps and take it around the world! Might take awhile though...

 

Seriously though, Ultralights are a blast in this game, super fun to fly around in and great for taking in the sights at low altitude. Plus, this one can land anywhere!!

I saw one in Crete on vacation, took beach tourist on a 20 minute ride. 
It might very well have been overloaded because it barely had any lift and was very slow climb

 

anyway. Anyone knows if big radials goose is that much better than the goose we have. I mean worth while buying. 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Lusekofte

[LukeFF]

14 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Anyone knows if big radials goose is that much better than the goose we have. I mean worth while buying. 

 

It seems to be a toss-up from what I have read. The BR model is based on a civilian version and so it has more features to play around with, unlike the one released later, which was a military trainer variant. I'd check out this topic for more information: Goose vs Goose

[CUJO_1970]

10 hours ago, BOO said:

The An2 itself is great. Pretty unbreakable engine wise at present ( perhaps it is) but enjoyable.

 

I got to go in an AN-2 once.

 

The owner told me the Russian radial leaked oil all the time so they replaced it with an American radial that leaked oil all the time.

2 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Anyone knows if big radials goose is that much better than the goose we have. I mean worth while buying. 

 

 

I seriously doubt it...not impressed really with any of the Gooses on offer right now.

[Lusekofte]

54 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

I seriously doubt it...not impressed really with any of the Gooses on offer right now.

Not that I dislike the one I have but it kind of easy peasy. It might have been but I just feel it’s not right

[BOO]

My An2 is going around the world - slighlty ambitious after 2 days but I figuring Ill have lots of time to read up on stuff like navigation when im circling blindly in the middle of the pacific. 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Just now, BOO said:

My An2 is going around the world - slighlty ambitious after 2 days but I figuring Ill have lots of time to read up on stuff like navigation when im circling blindly in the middle of the pacific. 

 

 

Is it capable for long flights. We had one in Norway, its pilot said it was very thirsty both oil and fuel. 
And time you need to sleep with one hand on the controls ?

[BOO]

11 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Is it capable for long flights. We had one in Norway, its pilot said it was very thirsty both oil and fuel. 
And time you need to sleep with one hand on the controls ?

I can find little of no info on engine settings for max cruise just an often repeated "range" of 456Nm (antonov themselves state its 9000Km which is quite a differencve and a sticky "0" I suspect).

 

From what Ive read it seems MSFS isnt too hot on not taking off from defined strips and airports nor is it happy about refulling and repairs away from them. I fear the An2 may not be destined for round the globe glory afterall.  ?

[Lusekofte]

Thea say Kodiak 100 is the go to around the world plane

But I am not too keen on glas pit. I would love to navigate with beacons and the old way. I am not sure if it is possible.  I am half way up South America with DC 3 and will end the trip in Tromsoe Taking the ferry route used in ww2 once in USA 

But I like to do it in a smaller plane too

Edited March 30, 2023 by Lusekofte

[BOO]

12 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Thea say Kodiak 100 is the go to around the world plane

But I am not too keen on glas pit. I would love to navigate with beacons and the old way. I am not sure if it is possible.  I am half way up South America with DC 3 and will end the trip in Tromsoe Taking the ferry route used in ww2 once in USA 

But I like to do it in a smaller plane too

Like you I like a little steam. Well the grand world...er...wander has begun. Not sure how far I will get but it started in style - Gamston to Blackpool.....at night so you cant see the litter and crack heads in the doorways. 

[Art-J]

On 3/30/2023 at 9:24 AM, BOO said:

I can find little of no info on engine settings for max cruise just an often repeated "range" of 456Nm (antonov themselves state its 9000Km which is quite a differencve and a sticky "0" I suspect).

 

A typo indeed. Ranges published online are usually within 800-900 km as you probably noticed, but just for the record, I took a quick look at the Polish 1970 (+later ammendments) POH to fish out some data for you. The doc is available online for free as well and quite interesting.... if only you speak the language  .

 

In the aircraft performance chapter, for flight level of 1000 m (yes, meters, everything in the manual is in metric), TOW of 5250 kg, fuel amount of 1200 l, engine RPM of 1510 and MAP of 893 hPa / 670 mm Hg, max range is listed as 1390 km.

 

In the flight ops chapter, optimal parameters for best range (with disclaimer of impact of takeoff weight and flight level) are listed as: IAS between 147 kph (for TOW of 4000 kg) and 175 kph (for TOW of 5250 kg), MAPs between 706,5 hPa / 530 mm Hg and 900 hPa / 675 mm Hg respectively, engine RPM of about 1500 in all cases.

 

I hope that helps.

 

Damn, checking this thread every now and then, you guys tempt me to jump the bandwagon and purchase this sim as well. Was thinking about doing it later when A2A guys start porting over their warbirds (hopefully), but apaprently there's some not too shabby piston-powered machinery available already. Just not sure how my old i7 9700k +RTX3070 would cope with this behemoth in 1440p.

 

 

[Hoots]

2 minutes ago, Art-J said:

optimal parameters for best range (with disclaimer of impact of takeoff weight and flight level) are listed as: IAS between 147 kph

 

Sounds like the An2 may only cover distance due to the turning of the earth rather than its own power

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

Just not sure how my old i7 9700k +RTX3070 would cope with this behemoth in 1440p.

I will work just fine. I'd expect you have some 40 - 50 fps with reasonable settings, this being very good visuals.

[Trooper117]

I've not been on this for months now, although I keep it updated... but I've just been tempted by the Bf-108 trainer in the market place.

[Lusekofte]

49 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

I've not been on this for months now, although I keep it updated... but I've just been tempted by the Bf-108 trainer in the market place.

Do it have good reviews? Normally ww2 planes are not up to standards but its rating will give you an idea. Above 4.0 should make it ok if many has rated it. I bought the P 38, it was pretty good. And a nice plane for fast sightseeing

[BOO]

Last night I attempted a flight from LAX. Bit of a stutter fest what with traffic and the city. I bit  “meh” I took myself to Sedona ( looked ok in the training flights) and took a x cub. Not really expecting to much, I was first impressed by the x cub. The weather on starting was overcast but worsening. And boy did it worsen. Probably the most immersion I’ve ever had in any sim. Shafts of rain in the distance, believable clouds, turbulence, incredible lighting. Absolutely awesome.

 

Anyhow, im a x cub fan and Sedona fan. I also bought the //42 fox 2 but went back to the cub. The freeware got gravel monster is just perfect for me. The glass pit and ap make the perfect crutch for sightseeing when not dropping in on folk (literally) whilst the performance and hammer on the anchors nose wheel make nowhere inaccessible 

 

Loving msfs. 
 

 

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, BOO said:

 

Loving msfs. 

Do you have the DC 3? It flies very much like GB but got a better pit. And with realistic mod it is quite fun to fly. 

[LukeFF]

10 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Do you have the DC 3? It flies very much like GB but got a better pit. And with realistic mod it is quite fun to fly. 

 

Everyone gets the DC-3 for free. ?

 

As for the pit, nah, gonna disagree on that one. The MSFS one looks way too shiny in certain areas and has some bad texture mapping (both inside and outside the cockpit). But yes, it still needs mods in order to fly and manage properly. Aeroplane Heaven should be ashamed of the state in which they released that thing.

[BOO]

48 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Do you have the DC 3? It flies very much like GB but got a better pit. And with realistic mod it is quite fun to fly. 

Im gravitating towards small and lght. One thing I am learning is that if you only have a stick yoke aircraft can be a little twitchy. This is where the cubs and Foxs suit me set up  and wants very well

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

Im gravitating towards small and lght. One thing I am learning is that if you only have a stick yoke aircraft can be a little twitchy. This is where the cubs and Foxs suit me set up  and wants very well

I get that. That is why I bought Fulcrum yoke