P40E1: 75% max throttle?

[Reggie_Mental]

My throttle on the P40 will not give me more than 75% 

 

What's wrong? I have checked the key mapping. I am using a Saitex X52 Pro

 

How do I get 100%?

 

RSVP

[=FEW=fernando11]

Have you check throttle range/calibration outside of the game?

Does it reach 100%?

 

Also on the key mapping menu, when you Select an axis for something (in this case throttle) you can see a "graph" on the right. Click it and it should show you the mouvment of your axis and the corresponding mouvment of the virtual throttle. There you can select deadzones etc.

 

 

Ps: are you using auto limiter for the engine on the dificulty settings?

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

Are you flying with automatic throttle limiter or automatic engine controls, they will be in the mission settings?

Edited September 26, 2019 by -332FG-Hank_DG

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

If you are using simplified engine control that's the throttle limiter at work. It's making sure you don't blow the engine after running it at max power for a period of time. At least that sounds like what your problem is. 

[danielprates]

22 minutes ago, -LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor said:

It's making sure you don't blow the engine after running it at max power for a period of time.

 

Which is very easily done in the p40. Horsing it around can damage it in a matter of seconds.

[40plus]

1 hour ago, danielprates said:

 

Which is very easily done in the p40. Horsing it around can damage it in a matter of seconds.

I need to study this beast. She's a pretty bird but I can't keep her up.

 

Currently concentrating on the ugly duck but the P40 will be my next challenge.

[danielprates]

8 hours ago, pfrances said:

I need to study this beast. She's a pretty bird but I can't keep her up.

 

Currently concentrating on the ugly duck but the P40 will be my next challenge.

 

What I like in the p40 is that it's engine behaves closest to what real engines work, in my perception. All around this forum there are discussions about how the game models excessive use of boost - many people disliking it (not me though). Well, the P40 seems to be the one that was modelled just right: over-reving and too much MP above the specified operating parameters and it will start shaking like crazy pretty soon (causing permanent damage), with a seizure soon to follow.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Except that is not how the Allison V1710 in the P40 actually behaved in the real world.

We have been over this ground many times before. The manual limits used by the devs were set for training units in peacetime conditions in the United States to lengthen the time between overhauls, and have nothing to do with the actual robust nature of the V1710 when used by front line units.

In point of fact the P40 in the sim has no reflection on it's actual abilities to be ridden hard, put away wet, and come back for more.

Edited September 27, 2019 by BlitzPig_EL

[InProgress]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

In point of fact the P40 in the sim has no reflection on it's actual abilities to be ridden hard, put away wet, and come back for more.

 

 

Spoiler

Lets see how TF will do P40

 

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by InProgress

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

1 hour ago, InProgress said:

Lets see how TF will do P40

 

I don't know how they are going to make it... Since the P-40 doesn't have a manifold pressure regulator you can make it go all the way up to ~70" with full throttle by estimations done with the BoX P-40 and I suppose that would induce detonation with the hot air in North Africa.

I heard there are going to be "early" and "late" versions in regards to engine limits... so looks like it would be a similar case to how it's done in BoX... just changing the point at which the engine will be damaged... or artificially overheat.

[Barnacles]

9 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

 

I don't know how they are going to make it... Since the P-40 doesn't have a manifold pressure regulator you can make it go all the way up to ~70" with full throttle by estimations done with the BoX P-40 and I suppose that would induce detonation with the hot air in North Africa.

I heard there are going to be "early" and "late" versions in regards to engine limits... so looks like it would be a similar case to how it's done in BoX... just changing the point at which the engine will be damaged... or artificially overheat.

As far as I know some p40e s were fitted with manifold pressure regulators.

 

[Dakpilot]

People will probably be more happy with P-40E in proper 1941 scenario rather than unreasonable expectations of P40- E1 in 42/43 as experienced most of the time in BoX

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Reggie_Mental]

Ahh yes. Engine limiter is now off. 

 

Somewhat unimpressed with what 6x .50 M2 are doing to the Luftwaffe though. I've only shot down a JU52 so far, and that used up all my ammo. This has got to be an error?

[LukeFF]

37 minutes ago, Reggie_Mental said:

Somewhat unimpressed with what 6x .50 M2 are doing to the Luftwaffe though. I've only shot down a JU52 so far, and that used up all my ammo. This has got to be an error?

 

The Ju 52 has a lot of empty space. 

[CIA_Yankee_]

52 minutes ago, Reggie_Mental said:

Ahh yes. Engine limiter is now off. 

 

Somewhat unimpressed with what 6x .50 M2 are doing to the Luftwaffe though. I've only shot down a JU52 so far, and that used up all my ammo. This has got to be an error?

 

Those .50s are actually murderous. The only eastern fighter with better firepower would be the 23mm on the LaGG-3.

 

But there's still a question of luck and convergence: if you catch someone with a good central hit at convergence, it's very unlikely to survive. But if it's an off-center hit, or out of convergency, then there's a lot of random chance involved. On average, all those 50s will hurt a lot, but if you're not lucky you will just blow holes in nothing important. 

 

But in my experience, the P40 and P39 offer the best offensive power on the eastern side so far, except for the LaGG-3 with its 23mm. Special mention for the Spit V: those hispanos are monstruous, but you have very little ammo. 

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, Dakpilot said:

People will probably be more happy with P-40E in proper 1941 scenario rather than unreasonable expectations of P40- E1 in 42/43 as experienced most of the time in BoX

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

P 40 is probably my favorite fighter bomber. I always had a soft spot for it. 

I do not expect anything from it, but my god its parameters need another look at. It is annoying how the time parameter affect this allison engine in particular. I dont think it is intentional but the system is particular hard on this plane. 

But flying it considerable time will learn you to avoid engine seizure and using it at its maximum. It just take a long time

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

5 hours ago, Dakpilot said:

People will probably be more happy with P-40E in proper 1941 scenario rather than unreasonable expectations of P40- E1 in 42/43 as experienced most of the time in BoX

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

The P-40E is effectively a 1942 plane though, it came to the USSR in early 1942 and if i'm correct same for North Africa, with the 109Fs already there, so the scenario for North Africa is similar to the one in the Eastern Front in regards to it's opponents. It's the P-40B/C the one that was there earlier facing 109Es and MC 200/202 etc.

A later modification that clears 57" for 5 minutes would be a good improvement for the plane, with 1470 HP at sea level over the current 1150 HP for 2 min.

Edited September 27, 2019 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Eclipse4349]

On 9/27/2019 at 3:13 PM, Reggie_Mental said:

Ahh yes. Engine limiter is now off. 

 

Somewhat unimpressed with what 6x .50 M2 are doing to the Luftwaffe though. I've only shot down a JU52 so far, and that used up all my ammo. This has got to be an error?

You do have to target specific parts of your target, more so than with a larger cannon round or an explosive round. As others said, you could riddle the target with holes, but not hit anything vital. If you target something specific, like the engine, cockpit, wing roots, etc, the 50s will do major damage. A quick burst to the engine and its on fire. A half second or so of fire concentrated to its wing root and it will likely snap the wing when it tries to maneuver, if you don't just chew threw it and take it right off.

 

If you're just spraying all over the place and you're not in convergence range, you might not do a whole lot. 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

The problem with the P40 I think, is the way the engine is to easy to keep cool.

The reel P40 overheated very quick and you had to keep an eye on your coolant all the time, you couldn't taxi without opening your cowl flaps.

In the game, it's the exact opposite, you must keep your cowl flaps closed most of the time or the engine undercools.

I hope they find the time to give the engine some love one of these months.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[chris455]

On 9/27/2019 at 4:28 AM, BlitzPig_EL said:

Except that is not how the Allison V1710 in the P40 actually behaved in the real world.

We have been over this ground many times before. The manual limits used by the devs were set for training units in peacetime conditions in the United States to lengthen the time between overhauls, and have nothing to do with the actual robust nature of the V1710 when used by front line units.

In point of fact the P40 in the sim has no reflection on it's actual abilities to be ridden hard, put away wet, and come back for more.

This^

[ShamrockOneFive]

On 9/27/2019 at 3:13 PM, Reggie_Mental said:

Ahh yes. Engine limiter is now off. 

 

Somewhat unimpressed with what 6x .50 M2 are doing to the Luftwaffe though. I've only shot down a JU52 so far, and that used up all my ammo. This has got to be an error?

 

Sample size of one isn't a very good indication. The .50cals in IL-2: Great Battles are devastating against all aircraft particularly if aimed well and concentrated at convergence on a specific part of a target.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Exactly Shamrock.  Ask two of my BlitzPig buddies whose Me 262s got shredded by my Mustang this weekend.

 

[MikhaVT]

On 9/27/2019 at 3:13 PM, Reggie_Mental said:

Ahh yes. Engine limiter is now off. 

 

Somewhat unimpressed with what 6x .50 M2 are doing to the Luftwaffe though. I've only shot down a JU52 so far, and that used up all my ammo. This has got to be an error?

 

I've been playing around with the P-40 a bit. I've been bringing it with only 4x MGs and with the additional ammo mod, this provides you with more ammo overall, and gives you a full minute of firetime with the guns. With it i shot down 6 He 111s in one mission before i ran out of ammo. The aircraft also seems to take quite the punishment without really caring. 

[delta64]

23 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

The problem with the P40 I think, is the way the engine is to easy to keep cool.

The reel P40 overheated very quick and you had to keep an eye on your coolant all the time, you couldn't taxi without opening your cowl flaps.

In the game, it's the exact opposite, you must keep your cowl flaps closed most of the time or the engine undercools.

 

lol imagine the fanboy rage that their super fighter the p-40 not only cant be driven full throttle max rpm in a climb but also must be kept cool lol

[MikhaVT]

7 hours ago, immortan_al said:

lol imagine the fanboy rage that their super fighter the p-40 not only cant be driven full throttle max rpm in a climb but also must be kept cool lol

 

On 11/4/2019 at 4:18 AM, FlyingShark said:

The reel P40 overheated very quick and you had to keep an eye on your coolant all the time, you couldn't taxi without opening your cowl flaps.

 

I havnt found anything to suggest that the P-40 has cooling issues, there's a good reason why it was chosen for the hot theaters of Africa. The P-40 not only has the same engine as some P-51 variants, but is much more restricted in power output, and has a excessively sized radiator. VVS often ran into issues with overcooling and even having fluid in the radiators freeze up. OFC you have to open your cowl flaps to cool the engine while taxing, that's the standard of nearly any engine with cowl flaps if you dont open your cowl flaps then there's hardly any airflow through them at taxing speeds even though you're running the engine at full. 

 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

12 minutes ago, Kataphrakt said:

OFC you have to open your cowl flaps to cool the engine while taxing, that's the standard of nearly any engine with cowl flaps if you dont open your cowl flaps then there's hardly any airflow through them at taxing speeds even though you're running the engine at full. 

That's true but ingame, the P40 does not heat up during taxi, even with cowl flaps closed.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[MikhaVT]

28 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

That's true but ingame, the P40 does not heat up during taxi, even with cowl flaps closed.

 

Have a nice day.

 

and none of our maps have nominal temperatures in excess of 33 C

[BlitzPig_EL]

Thermal modeling is wrong across the board.  I can't think of one aircraft in the sim that is ever in serious danger of overheating if you take even the most casual approach to monitoring your radiators or cowl flaps.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

22 minutes ago, Kataphrakt said:

and none of our maps have nominal temperatures in excess of 33 C

Ah, would that be the reason you think our P40 doesn't heat up that quick?

 

Have a nice day.

 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

19 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Thermal modeling is wrong across the board.  I can't think of one aircraft in the sim that is ever in serious danger of overheating if you take even the most casual approach to monitoring your radiators or cowl flaps.

I don't think it's wrong across the board. The only problem I can say is the overeffectiveness at low/no airflow conditions, at high speeds it's more or less ok or even too harsh in some cases imho. The Yak-7B for example can't achieve it's listed top speed because it overheats in level flight, it needs to open the radiators so much that it becomes slower than the specs. In Summer conditions (25ºC in game, not even that hot) it can't sustain optimal climb settings as it overheats with even full open radiators. Similar thing happens to the MC 202 (and this plane served in the hotter MTO/Africa scenario, so it seems it should have more effective cooling), and the MiG-3 seems to have not good coolant pressurization, it also doesn't achieve listed top speed because of needing to open the water radiator so the coolant doesn't boil.

Edited November 5, 2019 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[MikhaVT]

59 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

I don't think it's wrong across the board. The only problem I can say is the overeffectiveness at low/no airflow conditions, at high speeds it's more or less ok or even too harsh in some cases imho. The Yak-7B for example can't achieve it's listed top speed because it overheats in level flight, it needs to open the radiators so much that it becomes slower than the specs. In Summer conditions (25ºC in game, not even that hot) it can't sustain optimal climb settings as it overheats with even full open radiators. Similar thing happens to the MC 202 (and this plane served in the hotter MTO/Africa scenario, so it seems it should have more effective cooling), and the MiG-3 seems to have not good coolant pressurization, it also doesn't achieve listed top speed because of needing to open the water radiator so the coolant doesn't boil.

Great points. Generally when you read about the western front the issues with aircraft that crop up are overcooling and radiators that freeze up!

[Venturi]

The P40e should have one of the best Allied aircraft roll rates, it does not (the P39 rolls much better, in contrast to published data).

 

The V1710-39 in P40e should be able to tolerate up to 56" of boost for at least 5 min given the fuel ratings in use (assuming 100/130 octane), which would give it roughly 1450hp.

 

By the way, the P40e is one of the lightest American fighters (300+ kilos lighter than P-51D).

 

You can compare the P-51D and P-40E in maneuvering performance at 200mph airspeed with similar power settings. 56" MAP should give you equivalent power levels between the two aircraft. The P-40E should outperform the Mustang in all maneuvers given the weight difference. It should also outroll the P-51D easily.

 

Go ahead - test it. Then tell me what you find out.

[Frenchy56]

Yeah, I get the feeling that the P-40E is the most abysmally-modelled plane in the entire Great Battles series. Down to the inexplicably low engine volume in external view. It's really too bad though, I enjoy flying it and peppering Krauts with my .50's.

Edited November 9, 2019 by Frenchy56