KTO expansion ahead of all else?

September 23, 2019

Hi all,

The title says it all really. On other threads/polls about future expansions the KTO is mentioned and it, like many other conflicts/theaters, has its fans who want to play it above all others while there are others who really would rather not see it.

Note that this poll is NOT about what you think will be the next expansion or how likely/feasible you think the KTO is.

FWIW I voted for option 2.

September 23, 2019

I´d rather buy a 1946 ETO scenario with prototype planes than Korea. However there are plenty of untouched WW2 timeframes on west- and eastfront to be done first.

September 23, 2019

If they do Korea they will do it at same time as one WW2 DLC , so no need to panic oh where is my ww2 fix, no one sane would abondened ww2 in this game for 2 years, that would kill the game, something same like they did this development cycle with WW1 and WW2 DLC is to expect with Korea when it comes.

Also i would go for later war as then you dont have to make whole Korea map and Japan, yu just make 2/3 of North part, also big bombers bombed at night at that time so you can skip them also.

September 23, 2019

10 hours ago, HBPencil said:

Hi all,

The title says it all really. On other threads/polls about future expansions the KTO is mentioned and it, like many other conflicts/theaters, has its fans who want to play it above all others while there are others who really would rather not see it.

Note that this poll is NOT about what you think will be the next expansion or how likely/feasible you think the KTO is.

FWIW I voted for option 2.

What does KTO stand for?

September 23, 2019

24 minutes ago, 56RAF_Talisman said:

What does KTO stand for?

I am guessing Korea from the other comments in this thread.

Edited September 23, 2019 by 56RAF_Roblex

September 23, 2019

I would not buy it.

September 23, 2019

I answered no, because without the B-29 and Tu-2 it will not be interesting.

September 23, 2019

I like piston-engine aircraft and guns based combat, so a hypothetical Battle of Korea . I played a few jet-sims back in the day and the missile based combat is engaging for a while but winds up feeling pretty sterile.

So if BoX went to Korea I would buy it as it is still gun combat, but going much beyond that into more advanced jets and weapons systems doesn't really do much for me.

September 23, 2019

Korea would be too early. WWII should be top priority.

September 23, 2019

Why did you decide that Korea is planned at all? The developers did not give a hint of Korea other than Jason's promise to start making PTO right after BOBP.

September 23, 2019

6 hours ago, 56RAF_Talisman said:

What does KTO stand for?

6 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

I am guessing Korea from the other comments in this thread.

That's right, it stands for Korean Theater of Operations.

4 hours ago, Viktor33_33 said:

Why did you decide that Korea is planned at all? The developers did not give a hint of Korea other than Jason's promise to start making PTO right after BOBP.

I don't think Korea is planned at all, on the contrary I think it is quite unlikely. But others here believe otherwise so I created this poll as I'm curious about how much enthusiasm there would be.
When did Jason promise the PTO being next? I missed that announcement.

September 24, 2019

Can't vote as the question is 'loaded'. Using the rider " floats my boat more than any other conflict or WW2 theatre" sets up a false choice as other options are not listed and could include all sorts of things unspecified.

This poll seems a bit daft to me.

I would definitely support a Korean war expansion, but am not going to get involved in this poll.

Happy landings,

Talisman

September 24, 2019

20 hours ago, HBPencil said:

When did Jason promise the PTO being next? I missed that announcement.

when announced BOBP in 2017

September 24, 2019

49 minutes ago, Viktor33_33 said:

when announced BOBP in 2017

Jason never said it was to be immediately next -- only that it was postponed. Here is the original english forums message:

September 24, 2019

You guys are funny.

September 25, 2019

If the next expansion has planes and a map, I will buy it.

September 25, 2019

I’ll buy any (and probably all) expansions if I no longer have to chase the AI around in eternal circles while the wingmen repeatedly yell “it’s close!” and the badly optimized smoke & flame is switching off after twenty seconds. I really don’t require any other products prior to that though.

October 12, 2019

On 9/23/2019 at 7:07 PM, RedKestrel said:

So if BoX went to Korea I would buy it as it is still gun combat, but going much beyond that into more advanced jets and weapons systems doesn't really do much for me.

The jets in Korea weren't that advanced at all. In fact, an F-82 would be a more technical airplane to use than an F-80, F-84 or F-86.

The latter were basicly ww2 airplanes with a jet-engine.

I'd certainly buy a KTO expansion. I'd much rather see a New Guinea/ Solomons map before, though.

No real interest in Midway, Wake or the Coral Sea, tbh.

October 12, 2019

Pacific first, for sure!

SCG_ErwinP

Edited October 12, 2019 by 3./JG15_Eich_1

October 14, 2019

I highly doubt that the devs will go to Korea after Bodenplatte or soon. There’s a lot more WW2 content that needs to be covered, like Pacific and Tank battles before going to Korea. However, I’d pick Korea over Battle of Britain for IL-2 GBs.

October 14, 2019

I wouldn't buy any post-WW2 expansion.

October 14, 2019

16 minutes ago, Matt said:

I wouldn't buy any post-WW2 expansion.

Same here. Voted for the third choice.

October 14, 2019

Too much left of WW2 to do first!

October 14, 2019

Here's how I see it:

1. Bodenplatte

2. Pacific (Okay. Maybe one more battle if Pacific is still undo able after Bodenplatte)

Years later (mid-late) 2020s: Normandy, Bagration, etc.

3. Battle of Berlin

4. Battle of Korea

The devs need to be ready to tackle a new war with new plane types/weapons, etc. Most Korean war aircraft were jet aircraft like Mig 15, F-86, P-80, F9F, and then there was the B-29, Sea Fury, U-2/Po-2, etc. Jumping straight to the Korean war after Bodenplatte would be very risky. I would want to see all/pretty much all of WW2 covered before going off to tackle the Korean War.

October 15, 2019

More than one PTO release, just like there was more than one Eastern Front release.

October 15, 2019

13 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Most Korean war aircraft were jet aircraft like Mig 15, F-86, P-80, F9F, and then there was the B-29, Sea Fury, U-2/Po-2, etc. Jumping straight to the Korean war after Bodenplatte would be very risky.

While I agree somewhant on the risk part, I have to disagree with the jet-angle.

You could easily do a well fleshed-out KTO entirely based on props:

USAF:

F-51D

F-82F/G

B-26B

B-29

USN/USMC:

F7F-3N

F4U-4,-4B, -4N,-5, -5N, -5NL

AU-1 (the official name of the F4U-6)

AD-1, -2, -3, -4 (and sub-versions)

FAA/ RAN:

Sea Fury FB 11

Firefly 6

Communist side (NK AF / PLAAF):

IL-10

Yak-9P/U

Po-2

La-9/11

People would say the communist air forces didn't play a decisive role in the conflict.

But one could make a similer argument for the Luftwaffe in 1945 - apart from some key engagements the LW only played minor role in the war by then. Especially in March/ April 1945, when the LW had for the most part broken down. By May 1945 the LW just barely existed.

Yet people are still asking for '46 wonderplanes or Ta 152s, He 162s, Do 335s, etc.

Edited October 15, 2019 by Bremspropeller

October 15, 2019

Well, there's been 101 votes so far and 55% want something else first, 40% wouldn't buy it all and just 5% really want it next. It sounds like commercial suicide so far...

October 15, 2019

Er, this poll has only a very very small percentage of people who visit these forums... I would not take any notice of the results here mate.

October 15, 2019

6 hours ago, Red_Cat said:

Well, there's been 101 votes so far and 55% want something else first, 40% wouldn't buy it all and just 5% really want it next. It sounds like commercial suicide so far...

Most probably because they're missing there's lots of prop action in Korea to be had.

October 15, 2019

7 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

People would say the communist air forces didn't play a decisive role in the conflict.

But one could make a similer argument for the Luftwaffe in 1945 - apart from some key engagements the LW only played minor role in the war by then. Especially in March/ April 1945, when the LW had for the most part broken down. By May 1945 the LW just barely existed.

Yet people are still asking for '46 wonderplanes or Ta 152s, He 162s, Do 335s, etc.

I think that people care more about the aircraft themselves rather than the overall operational/strategic situation. He 162, Do 335, and to a lesser extent certain Ta 152 variants are very unique aircraft with configurations not yet featured in the series. That's what draws people to late-war or fictional/exaggerated scenarios. Meanwhile, many props used by the Communists in Korea were developments of existing WW2 aircraft that most just don't find as exciting.

Not that it wouldn't be a cool scenario anyway...

Edited October 15, 2019 by Mitthrawnuruodo

October 15, 2019

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

Er, this poll has only a very very small percentage of people who visit these forums... I would not take any notice of the results here mate.

Want something to take notice of?

Take notice of this...

October 15, 2019

Is that new, Gambit?

October 15, 2019

It was in the editor during beta...but they left it there in the public build so fair game now.

October 15, 2019

Korea is interesting because allow jet "guns, guns" what WWII don't allow, unless in a new... "1946".

Anyway way KTO looks more interesting than, e.g. Battle of Berlin or Normandy.

Do KTO don't mean leave WWII for good and 1950's jet's can win new heart and minds, of course not from "do another Bf 109 variant" crowd.

Edited October 19, 2019 by Sokol1

October 15, 2019

9 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

You could easily do a well fleshed-out KTO entirely based on props:

...but why would you.

Also I'd submit that Korea without the Sabre and MiG isn't "fleshed out" as it were, those aircraft being THE iconic aircraft of the war.

Kind of like doing a 'fleshed out' Normandy campaign without the P-51B and P-47 Razorback. You could do it, but why would you?

Edited October 15, 2019 by Gambit21

October 15, 2019

9 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

You could easily do a well fleshed-out KTO entirely based on props:

Not really. The F-86 and MiG-15 are the war's iconic aircraft. The developers would be crucified if they tried to produce a Korean war flight sim without those aircraft.

October 15, 2019

25 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

...but why would you.

Also I'd submit that Korea without the Sabre and MiG isn't "fleshed out" as it were, those aircraft being THE iconic aircraft of the war.

Kind of like doing a 'fleshed out' Normandy campaign without the P-51B and P-47 Razorback. You could do it, but why would you?

I was just pointing out you COULD. If it's economically sane is a different question.

The point is that people think that all Korea was, was Sabres versus MiGs, which is very far from the truth. Jets would slowly but surely take over, but you COULD do a Korea sim and never implement a jet, as there are enough interesting props and associated missions to play with - from a historical standpoint.

I realize that people would probably prefer to airquake all day, but I'd be interested in the actual numbers.

Flying night-interdiction missions in Korea, CAS or stikes against heavy flak are some of the more interesting missions, if dogfighting at 40000ft becomes boring after two weeks.

October 15, 2019

I get it, and agree.

CAS in the Corsair would be.a great time.

October 16, 2019

...or in the AD ?

October 16, 2019

Ahhh, it's all still all up in the air... to be honest, anything is possible

Edited October 16, 2019 by Trooper117

KTO expansion ahead of all else?