Gunport whistle

[Sublime]

So as we all know certain planes like the corsair 'whistled' from air going thru their gunports (hence their nickname whistling death by the Japanese) and alsonthe P51 whistled doing higher g maneuvers from air throufh the gunports.

My question is why didnt this happen with all planes, or if nothing else all planes with wingmounted m2 .50 hmgs??

[[CPT]Crunch]

Perhaps it wasn't the guns themselves doing the whistling, but the ports they projected through?

[spitfirejoe]

As far as I know not the gunports of the P-51 whistled. The P-51´s oil cooler did the whistling sound.

Correct me please if I am wrong.

 

EDIT: Maybe I am wrong, seems really to be the gunports whistling…...I was told for years that it is the oil cooler.....I guess I was wrong.

 

Will the P-51 in IL-2 do the whistling aswell or not?

Edited September 22, 2019 by spitfirejoe

[Sublime]

Who knows? Im sure they wont miss sucj an important detail.though

[Art-J]

36 minutes ago, spitfirejoe said:

As far as I know not the gunports of the P-51 whistled. The P-51´s oil cooler did the whistling sound.

Correct me please if I am wrong.

 

EDIT: Maybe I am wrong, seems really to be the gunports whistling…...I was told for years that it is the oil cooler.....I guess I was wrong.

 

It was the Corsair's leading edge inlets (for oil coolers amongst other things) that were causing the whistle, so you might have just these two planes mixed up, but the idea is correct.

[spitfirejoe]

Here is the FEROCIOUS FRANKIE with gunports and whistling sound

 

 

and here is the OLD CROW with no gunports ( removed ) and NO whistling sound.

 

 

[Cpt_Siddy]

 

 

Could not resist...

Spoiler

 

 

Hearing that whistling at your 6 would be terrifying 

Edited September 22, 2019 by Cpt_Siddy

[JimTM]

27 minutes ago, spitfirejoe said:

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and here is the OLD CROW with no gunports ( removed ) and NO whistling sound.

 

Actually, you can hear a bit of whistling at 1:15 and 1:46 (for example), but certainly not as pronounced as in the first video.   

Edited September 22, 2019 by JimTM

[spitfirejoe]

1 hour ago, JimTM said:

 

Actually, you can hear a bit of whistling at 1:15 and 1:46 (for example), but certainly not as pronounced as in the first video.   

 

Yes I know which Sound you mean….and that is I guess the oil cooler, not the gunports, the Old Crow has no gunports…..the Sound is very subtle but different.

Edited September 22, 2019 by spitfirejoe

[nop51flyboydee]

hey guys .take a peice of pipe about the size of the gun barrel and blowacross the opening and you will hear that whiseling sound .it happends at the angle of attack when the wing is at the right angle.DEE

[Talon_]

4 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

Will the P-51 in IL-2 do the whistling aswell or not?

Yes

[Ghost666]

When you look as good as those two, you just whistle. Or so I have heard.

[Hoss]

Blow across the opening of a bottle and you get the same thing.  I believe if the gun barrel projected too far outside of the port it would not make the sound, like the P-47.  But it is the gun port that is whistling.

 

Cheers

Hoss

[Sublime]

5 hours ago, Art-J said:

 

It was the Corsair's leading edge inlets (for oil coolers amongst other things) that were causing the whistle, so you might have just these two planes mixed up, but the idea is correct.

No sir, the p51 didnt whistle in straight flight but if u look it up during even fairly low g maneuvers the P51 whistled.

Hoss - I knew the bottle analogy - its odd to me that all planes didnt though.

1 hour ago, Talon_ said:

Yes

How do u know

[HBPencil]

I just put these two great examples here:
 

 

 

[JonRedcorn]

1 hour ago, HBPencil said:

I just put these two great examples here:
 

 

 

The exhaust on that thing is wicked.

[BlitzPig_EL]

As cool as the whistling would be, I would trade it in a heartbeat for the proper sound of a Packard Merlin.

[Tyberan]

That "whistling death" thing is just propaganda? I've read that corsair are called that, same with the beaufighter and half dozen other aircraft. 

[HBPencil]

1 hour ago, Tyberan said:

That "whistling death" thing is just propaganda? I've read that corsair are called that, same with the beaufighter and half dozen other aircraft. 

"Whistling Death" was the Corsair, while "Whispering Death" was the Beaufighter. Maybe its just me but I don't recall other aircraft having that nickname; out of curiosity to which do you refer?

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

I might be mistaken, but I don't think the whistling sound is audible from the cockpit anyway. I'm not really sure if you would be able to hear it in a dogfight either, say a P-51 making a pass at close range. For external views in the sim though, it should absolutely have the whistle.

[EAF19_Marsh]

15 hours ago, nop51flyboydee said:

hey guys .take a peice of pipe about the size of the gun barrel and blowacross the opening and you will hear that whiseling sound .it happends at the angle of attack when the wing is at the right angle.DEE

 

Or drink a bottle of beer outside on a windy day.

[Sublime]

7 hours ago, Tyberan said:

That "whistling death" thing is just propaganda? I've read that corsair are called that, same with the beaufighter and half dozen other aircraft. 

No that was what the Japanese ground troops actually called the corsair.  It made an audible whistling noise headong towards you.  The P51 whistled whenever itd pull turns or G maneuvers

[40plus]

21 hours ago, Sublime said:

Who knows? Im sure they wont miss sucj an important detail.though

 

Hardly classify a interesting quirk of aerodynamics "Important". Fun little nice-to-have at best.

[Tromplamort-Dser]

Whistling death, whispering death, twin tail devil... All theses nicknames where given post-war by pseudo historian in order to give some punch or sex appeal to their books... 

And the legend still lives on.... 

 

[Diggun]

Just now, Tromplamort-Dser said:

Whistling death, whispering death, twin tail devil.

Apart from anything else, I suspect the language used by squaddies to give nicknames to any of these ac would be considerably less...err... family friendly.

[mort]

1 hour ago, Tromplamort-Dser said:

Whistling death, whispering death, twin tail devil... All theses nicknames where given post-war by pseudo historian in order to give some punch or sex appeal to their books... 

And the legend still lives on.... 

 

 

FWIW, below is from "A Higher Calling" by Adam Makos and Larry Alexander the source material of which was extensive first-hand interviews with Franz Stigler himself so I'm inclined to believe that one.

 

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Franz had never seen a P-38, but he had heard the name the boys in Africa gave the new American fighter—“the Fork-Tailed Devil.” The P-38 was rumored to spit a hose of fire from five machine guns and a cannon, all packed in its nose. Supposedly it could snap from level flight into a loop in a blink.

 

[Sublime]

5 hours ago, pfrances said:

 

Hardly classify a interesting quirk of aerodynamics "Important". Fun little nice-to-have at best.

Fair enough. How about "iconic" since were picky today?

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

44 minutes ago, Sublime said:

Fair enough. How about "iconic" since were picky today?

 

I wouldn't even say it's iconic, the whistling happens far less frequently than the corsairs whistle. 

 

Still though it would be a little cool feature. But if it's not in the sim I don't think I would give a damn. 

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, Tromplamort-Dser said:

All theses nicknames where given post-war by pseudo historian in order to give some punch or sex appeal to their books... 

 

Not in the case of the P-38 nickname:

 

[Diggun]

8 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

P-38 nickname

I mean... All that shows is that Lockheed were keen to have the name associated with their product! 

[LukeFF]

1 minute ago, [_FLAPS_]Diggun said:

I mean... All that shows is that Lockheed were keen to have the name associated with their product! 

 

Definitely!

 

Also, I cannot help but laugh at the image of those 2 Germans being strafed. ? Looks like they'd had a long weekend at the beach before heading back to the trenches.

[Sublime]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

Definitely!

 

Also, I cannot help but laugh at the image of those 2 Germans being strafed. ? Looks like they'd had a long weekend at the beach before heading back to the trenches.

Ive been strongly suspicious for a long time that the name was a wholly American propaganda invention just like "teufelhunden" for Marines. Thats gotten so ingrained they teach Marines it at boot camp as true history and sadly its not - its an American invention.

[danielprates]

18 minutes ago, Sublime said:

Ive been strongly suspicious for a long time that the name was a wholly American propaganda invention just like "teufelhunden" for Marines. Thats gotten so ingrained they teach Marines it at boot camp as true history and sadly its not - its an American invention.

 

Seems indeed suspicious that the Germans would give it such a complimentary nickname.

Edited September 23, 2019 by danielprates

[Diggun]

42 minutes ago, danielprates said:

complimentary nickname.

Right? Who does that? I do quite like the reported battle of Britain use of 'snappers' for 109s. Sort of acknowledging the teeth but diminutive at the same time?

[danielprates]

49 minutes ago, [_FLAPS_]Diggun said:

Right? Who does that? I do quite like the reported battle of Britain use of 'snappers' for 109s. Sort of acknowledging the teeth but diminutive at the same time?

 

Yeah, that's more like it! Kinda respectful but mockingly, playfully if you will. All those "teufel" knicknames on the other hand are too abjectly frightened to be true imho.

Edited September 23, 2019 by danielprates

[Tyberan]

Yeah I always took those nick names with a grain of salt. 

 

On another note with gun port whistles, there was crash last year in a p51 in which the pilot debriefes it afterwards. He mentions that the gun ports whistle audible to the pilot right before stall. In this instance his engine cut right before turn into finals and he had seconds to change direction and land it in a paddock.

[40plus]

3 hours ago, Tyberan said:

Yeah I always took those nick names with a grain of salt. 

 

On another note with gun port whistles, there was crash last year in a p51 in which the pilot debriefes it afterwards. He mentions that the gun ports whistle audible to the pilot right before stall. In this instance his engine cut right before turn into finals and he had seconds to change direction and land it in a paddock.

I've watched that. it was a great example of experience dashing the day. Great video. He put it down in a field adjacent to the airfield saving his own life, the lives of traffic on the highway and minimising damage to the old girl. Brilliant work.

[Retrofly]

Just to hi-jack a gun-audio thread. Why is it, if I tap the trigger once it sounds like the gun fires twice. Is the second sound the sound of the bolt resetting? E.G in the stuka with the 37mm cannons, you fire once and you kind of hear "Ka-chunk, Ka-chunk". Or is it to do with the 2 guns being slightly out of sync?

Or worse a bug?

Thanks in advance.

[Art-J]

2 hours ago, Retrofly said:

Just to hi-jack a gun-audio thread. Why is it, if I tap the trigger once it sounds like the gun fires twice. Is the second sound the sound of the bolt resetting? E.G in the stuka with the 37mm cannons, you fire once and you kind of hear "Ka-chunk, Ka-chunk". Or is it to do with the 2 guns being slightly out of sync?

Or worse a bug?

Thanks in advance.

 

Same thing was happening in P-39 for many months. Some were trying to defend that bug implying that the second "ka-chunk" was the bolt slamming forwards (nonsense assumption, given the same sound sample being used). The issue was eventually fixed in one of recent updates. Maybe Stuka needs a similar fix as well...