just set up my first VR need help please

[adler_1]

hello

these are my issues:

1) when i start up in hangar the menus are all behind me , how do i bring them all forward ?

2) in game offline same issue i am sitting too high and facing backwards . 

3) When i go online to wings of liberty it says loading files then it goes black .

your assistance would be appreciated .

rgds  

[Hartigan]

Numpad 5 should be default key to reset VR view. Also you can adjust your seat position by leaning to wanted direction and hit F10 button when head position is correct. This F10 thing does not work in hangar menu. Does your flat screen goes black or just VR? 

[adler_1]

i did not check the flat screen , i cannot remember what i could see after i took the goggles off . in the meantime i have a new issue ,when starting the game the mouse wont appear when still in steam  asking questions wether i want to go native or through desktop , i dont know what to answer and the mouse wont appear . It did appear the first time i started the vr and game .

 

Edited September 22, 2019 by dog1

[dburne]

There are a couple of settings specifically for VR:

Reset default view - which re-centers your view in VR. Also VR Zoom. You can assign both of these to buttons on your HOTAS.

I believe these are under either Pilot Head Control or Camera.

 

If your positioning for the particular aircraft after re-centering is not quite right, you can change that.

I uncheck VR and start game on the monitor for doing this:

 

 Adjusting the default head position:
1. Ensure any head tracking software (such as TrackIR) is disabled.
2. Make sure you cockpit view is centered by pressing the numpad 5 key (Pilot head: snap position center).
3. Adjust your camera view to the left and to the right with the Delete (Move pilot head left) and the End keys (Move pilot head right), respectively.
4. Adjust your camera view forward and backward with the Insert (Move pilot head forward) and the Home keys (Move pilot head backward), respectively.
5. Adjust your camera view up and down with the Page Up (Move pilot head up) and the Page Down keys (Move pilot head down), respectively.
6. Once you are satisfied with your changes, press the F10 key (Save current corrections in head snap position). If at any time before this step you want to revert to the default head position, press the numpad 5 key.

 

Once you have it close that feels right to you, go back in and recheck VR and restart the game. Might have to do it a couple times or so to get it just right.

Once done though, it will stay that way for the particular aircraft you set it for.

 

 

[adler_1]

hello

my settings for the pilot view before i purchased the VR where as follows :

 

delete end     move left and right 

home    center view

page up page down   raise lower view

compass view   Z  and home again if necessary

 

I am definitely going to move many actions to the hotas once i have the game set up correctly . close canopy , gear up and down , all engine management and cowling flaps .

unfortunately the second time i started the HTC vive the mouse dissapeared . Now i cannot click on any menu before entering game and applying all the above .

 

Edited September 22, 2019 by dog1

[Hartigan]

Wait, why uncheck vr when making adjustments? Personally I just move my head and aim for perfect position, then hit F10 and pilot head move to new position

Losing mouse might be somekind of bug with windows mixed reality . Alt-tab to desktop and press windows key -Y to use headset ,then return to game . 

Edited September 22, 2019 by Hartigan

[Talisman]

4 hours ago, dog1 said:

hello

these are my issues:

1) when i start up in hangar the menus are all behind me , how do i bring them all forward ?

2) in game offline same issue i am sitting too high and facing backwards . 

3) When i go online to wings of liberty it says loading files then it goes black .

your assistance would be appreciated .

rgds  

1.  Use in-game 'VR Normal View' key input (I use a custom key for this on my joystick, so can't give you the default key).

2.  Use room set-up to calibrate for your VR space (you can do this via Steam VR or your device software, I use the large room option) and hit the 'VR Normal View' key (after you have taken off pause if in the QMB) when in the cockpit.

3.  Can't help with this one.

 

Good luck and happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman 

[adler_1]

ok here i am back again struggling with my first day set up . These are my questions .

1) wether i want to start from the game online or through STEAM the red bar at the bottom will start at around 1 cm then it says loading but 9 out of 10 it stays there for ever . What is causing this ? my PC specs are 3.4 I 7 nvidia 1080TI .

2) i set V for VR default view ,hoping this works .

3) sound , is there anything i must adjust there to play in vr ?

4) does the power supply suffer using VR ? is it recommendable to get a bigger one than my present 500 ? my game is stutering and FPS is low  compared to my previous 1060 gtx  . 

 

Edited September 22, 2019 by dog1

[dburne]

2 hours ago, dog1 said:

ok here i am back again struggling with my first day set up . These are my questions .

1) wether i want to start from the game online or through STEAM the red bar at the bottom will start at around 1 cm then it says loading but 9 out of 10 it stays there for ever . What is causing this ? my PC specs are 3.4 I 7 nvidia 1080TI .

2) i set V for VR default view ,hoping this works .

3) sound , is there anything i must adjust there to play in vr ?

4) does the power supply suffer using VR ? is it recommendable to get a bigger one than my present 500 ? my game is stutering and FPS is low  compared to my previous 1060 gtx  . 

 

 

 

Why don't you list all your system specs, including VR headset?

The more info we have the better we might can help you.

You can see below my sig how I have my system specs listed, that kind of info.

4 hours ago, Hartigan said:

Wait, why uncheck vr when making adjustments? Personally I just move my head and aim for perfect position, then hit F10 and pilot head move to new position

Losing mouse might be somekind of bug with windows mixed reality . Alt-tab to desktop and press windows key -Y to use headset ,then return to game . 

 

For a long time this was the only way one could adjust their default position in the aircraft for VR.

I have seen it reported that is no longer the case, but also have seen some report they still have trouble with trying to do it in VR.

 

Edited September 22, 2019 by dburne

[adler_1]

DBURNE

hello

my system specs

 

 I 7 3.4   nvidia 1080 TI  , 16 GIG RAM Corsair , windows home 64 bit . power supply 500  , HTC Vive .

 

My present problem

Unable to start game in VR mode through Steam and directly from desktop on high settings , the red bar will reach one cm and not progress further .

 

 

Progress report

I tried this morning balanced settings and the game does start however the image is very grainy , you can hardly read the messages such as engine settings , the aircraft flying above me while i was in the cockpit was stuttering . the field of view and objects was poor .

 

   Please comment for solutions and suggestions .

Edited September 22, 2019 by dog1

[dburne]

I myself probably would not be of much help sorry.

Hopefully someone more familiar with the Steam VR settings and Vive  can make some suggestions also that will be able to assist you.

 

I would suggest, check in your Nvidia Control Panel, insure that power management is set to " Prefer Maximum Performance" for IL-2.  I think it defaults to Optimal Performance.

Leave all other settings in there to "application controlled".

Balanced settings will likely be about the best you can hope for with that cpu if it is running at 3.4 GHz. What model CPU is it? If it was one that allowed overclocking via upping the multiplier

that would help - typically that is a K series processor. Of course that would also require some trial and error and good cpu cooling.

 

I also would start with no supersampling, I think by default Steam VR applies some. Change it to manual and 100% SS in Steam VR.

In graphics start with no AA, balanced settings, insure vsync is not checked and frame rate set to unlimited.

 

I would also note - unless you have the Steam Version of the game, no need to start from within Steam. You do need it running though to use Steam VR.

 

Good luck, and hopefully some Vive users will be able to suggest other things they have seen and tried.

 

 

[adler_1]

DBURNE

I noted all the above and will experiment them see if there is a notable and acceptable improvement . It is obvious my PC is not up to standard to run VR properly . I made a copy of your specs and will be checking the cost of setting up a new computer all together to meet vr requirements . i see you have a 5 gig processor , will a 4 with turbo be acceptable , does the graphic card have to be the ultra  overclocked model ?  thanks support 

Edited September 23, 2019 by dog1

[dburne]

It is not so much your GPU, more so likely your CPU and maybe ram - depending on if you have DDR3 or DDR4 ram. 

1080 Ti should be enough - your processor likely is not feeding it now as much as it could handle. The 1080 Ti is still a very good card.

 

I would say ideally you would like to have a rig that can run 4.0-4.5 GHz plus, depending of course on your budget.

Can you list all your system specs?

 

[adler_1]

i dont know how to list all my specs  besides what i listed above , i am not educated in the  engineering  field or electronics . i will go to my trusted PC shop today together with my pc and ask him to write it all down the way you wrote yours  , his English is good , and report back in the evening BKK time . i will check there at the stores for a 4.5  or 4 with turbo and see if it fits on my motherboard  , further i was told i need  a more powerful power unit , 500 is little for a 1080 i was told ,  i will install a 700 plus unit as well and  double the free rams to 32  . So if all goes well i will make this investment today and report back on FPS results , stuttering etc .  Its comforting to read your last post and gives me hope . Thanks support 

[[CPT]Crunch]

No need to run it to the shop, use this app, it'll tell you everything you need for specs.

 

https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html#version-history

[adler_1]

SOUND SYSTEM

 the sound speaker is green in sounds control panel as well as the mike but i have no sound when in VR . When not in VR i use soundblaster and all is fine . The sound panel has both of them as active .How do i make the HTC sound work ?

[dburne]

25 minutes ago, dog1 said:

SOUND SYSTEM

 the sound speaker is green in sounds control panel as well as the mike but i have no sound when in VR . When not in VR i use soundblaster and all is fine . The sound panel has both of them as active .How do i make the HTC sound work ?

 

In Windows 10 look down at your systray ( bottom right corner of screen).

Click on the speaker icon, and change the output to your headset.

[adler_1]

dBurne

hello

PC specs I discussed your pc specs with my tech man today and these are the changes that are going to be made tomorrow when the parts arrive . Power supply cool master  1000 , mother board gygabyte Z series , CPU 17 9700k 3.6 turbo to 4.9 , CPU cooler fan , increase RAMS to 32 gig corsair . 

Todays testing   setting  the graphics at balanced , medium clouds , no sync , i get an FPS of 40 with nobody around . very grainy . can hardly read the messages . to fly again if you exit the game you have to reboot .

Sound  i was a bit too hasty in seeking help . In google i found the settings right clicking the steam vr window and follow then to windows desktop sound  for the rest .  I presume for headphones its just replace the jack .  

positions and views  all working fine thanks to above tips . 

looking forward to my new set up and joining wings of liberty action again on different terms .

rgds

[Talisman]

In Steam VR, under settings, 'Applications' try setting to 72 or 100.  Under 'Video' try setting refresh rate to 72 Hz and custom resolution to 100%.

 

I can't see what VR device you have, but if you have a Pimax 5k+, try setting your render quality to 1 or 1.5.

 

Use the above as a starting point and experiment to see what you can achieve with your system (move settings up and down and use different permutations to get the best picture and performance balance that you can).  You should find that as the weeks go by you will improve along the way.  Using the in-game IL-2 setting for graphics as 'Balanced' is probably the best way to go for now.

 

Read through the forums and research all things VR so that you can make informed decisions.  There is lots of information on the internet.  Good luck and keep going.  It gets easier.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman 

[adler_1]

Restart in VR

hello

Today is my first day  playing the game post all the upgrades . When i start the game in VR whether through Steam or through my desk top copy it wont start the second time . I have to reboot the pc then it will load in VR . How do i resolve this ? 

 Adjusting seat height 

When not in VR i start at the correct height and i have an assigned key to glance at the compass and back , however when i switch to VR i end up well below the correct height , i am facing the compass of the yak when i should'nt be seeing it but facing the gunsight . In VR which are the keys to adjust the seat height and compass view ?

View

Which are the settings for Nvidia card 1080TI allowing me to sharpen substantially objects or the enemy aicraft view ? right now i can hardly see them in VR  just a blur and i cannot even identify . 

Comparison with no VR

I purchased a HTC VIVE VR kit with the hope of improving my game instead  to my surprise my new rig  when not in VR gives me a woping 150 FPS average with very sharp landscape details while when in VR mode i am at a very erratic range between a low 40 and high 80 FPS , very blurry and cannot identify airbases and see the runways clearly to land . Impossible to identify the enemy .  In graphics i have set up as high , high clouds , sharpen , no FPS limit . If i try medium clouds and remove sharpen there is no difference .  

Edited September 25, 2019 by dog1

[Talisman]

11 hours ago, dog1 said:

Restart in VR

hello

Today is my first day  playing the game post all the upgrades . When i start the game in VR whether through Steam or through my desk top copy it wont start the second time . I have to reboot the pc then it will load in VR . How do i resolve this ? 

 Adjusting seat height 

When not in VR i start at the correct height and i have an assigned key to glance at the compass and back , however when i switch to VR i end up well below the correct height , i am facing the compass of the yak when i should'nt be seeing it but facing the gunsight . In VR which are the keys to adjust the seat height and compass view ?

View

Which are the settings for Nvidia card 1080TI allowing me to sharpen substantially objects or the enemy aicraft view ? right now i can hardly see them in VR  just a blur and i cannot even identify . 

Comparison with no VR

I purchased a HTC VIVE VR kit with the hope of improving my game instead  to my surprise my new rig  when not in VR gives me a woping 150 FPS average with very sharp landscape details while when in VR mode i am at a very erratic range between a low 40 and high 80 FPS , very blurry and cannot identify airbases and see the runways clearly to land . Impossible to identify the enemy .  In graphics i have set up as high , high clouds , sharpen , no FPS limit . If i try medium clouds and remove sharpen there is no difference .  

Run game without VR.  In QMB, select each aircraft type that you fly on the runway and then customise your normal cockpit view for each individual aircraft (head up, down, forward, back, left, right) and 'save' this view so that when you next run the game with VR, the VR normal view key will give you your customised cockpit view position as a starting point.

 

Use zoom key to help ID targets too far away.

 

My in-game settings:

 

 

[adler_1]

Talisman

I will try your settings , zoom and report back , hope you dont  mind me asking but what are the specs of your pc ? My views not in VR are perfect  saved with F10 but when i go into VR i press V to get back to correct height and position and i am getting the feeling that maybe in VR you are supposed to look down to see the compass naturally so if i do that i have no issues ,further regarding the gunsight reticle i moved my sitting postion outside the game . Are you able to see the airplanes very clearly ? markings ? what FPS are you getting with others around , tracer etc  ?

[Talisman]

2 hours ago, dog1 said:

Talisman

I will try your settings , zoom and report back , hope you dont  mind me asking but what are the specs of your pc ? My views not in VR are perfect  saved with F10 but when i go into VR i press V to get back to correct height and position and i am getting the feeling that maybe in VR you are supposed to look down to see the compass naturally so if i do that i have no issues ,further regarding the gunsight reticle i moved my sitting postion outside the game . Are you able to see the airplanes very clearly ? markings ? what FPS are you getting with others around , tracer etc  ?

Check out this thread for an idea of through the lens aircraft visibility and identification (and yes, look at compass naturally):

My specifications:

Processor: Intel Core i7-8700K Coffee Lake CPU, 6 Cores, 3.7 - 4.7GHz, overclocked 
Case: Fractal Design Define R6 Case - Black 
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Graphics Card 
CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100x CPU Cooler  
Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z370-F GAMING
Memory: 32GB DDR4 3000MHz Memory (2 x 16GB Sticks) 
OS Drive: 1TB Samsung 970 EVO M.2 PCIe Solid State Drive 
Secondary Hard Drive: Seagate 2TB FireCuda SSHD Hybrid Drive  
Optical Drive: 24x DVD-RW Drive 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x 80 PLUS Gold 850W PSU 
Sound Card: Onboard High Definition Audio 
Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit 
Monitor Samsung 2433BW 24" TFT, 5ms response time, Res: 1920x1200

MS FF2 Joystick
Thrustmaster VG TWCS Throttle
Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant
MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals
VR Pimax 5k +
eDimensional AudioFX2 FF Vibration Headset 
Gametrix KW-908 Jetseat (with SSA software)

 

My fps ranges from high 40's to 50's, sometimes 60's, 71 tops, depending on map type, altitude and numbers of aircraft.  Suggest you set up a benchmark QMB mission on the Kuban map, with med weather at around 3000 mts and 8 fighters vs 8 fighters, total 16 aircraft dogfight.  Use that mission every time as a benchmark to test different settings to find the best settings that work for you.

 

P.S.

 

My graphic card settings in the control panel Nvidia:

 

Amb Occ-not supported
Anisotripic filt-global app controlled
Antialiaing FXAA-global off
Ant FXAA-global off
Ant gamma correct-global on
Ant mode-global app controlled
Ant setting-global app ctrl
Ant Trans-8x supersample
CUDA GPUs-global all
Low latency mode-Ultra
Multi fram samp A MFAA-On
OpenGL rend GPU-global auto select
Power mngt mode-Pref max perf
Shader cache-global on
Text filt anistropic-off
Text filt neg LOD bias-clamp
Text filt quality-high quality
Text filt trilinear opt-on
Threaded opt-global auto
Triple buff-global off 
Vert sync-off
VR prerendered frames-1  

 

I get very nice picture with Steam VR Application setting at 120 and Video setting at 120 with refresh rate 72 hz (my PiTool render quality is maxed out at 2). 

Edited September 25, 2019 by 56RAF_Talisman

[adler_1]

good morning 

Woke up to read your extensive and detailed explanation and link . To my big surprise your PC is almost identical to my recent upgrade listed above . I am going to copy all what you did in tweaks and see what comes out . What surprises me is you say you have a very clear image but going through the thread you gave me the images are far from acceptable . Your FPS is identical to mine and with that i am not satisfied , i am getting 150 FPS in non VR , tomorrow i receive my first HATTRACK to try out . Its not VR but i will dogfight with 150 FPS which maybe wth 4K settings should allow me to see the rivets of the opposing aircraft "almost" .

 

Questions :

STEAM resolution how did you change from 90 to 72 ? i cannot make changes to the current 90 , seems fixed.

Overclock  How much should i tell the technician to overclock , or lets say not more than . The heat on my I7 9700K CPU 8 core is approx 50 59 C each core . I might need a bigger cooler if overclocking ,very cheap here . 

NVIDIA 1080 TI  will do .

In game graphic settings Will copy

Testing I will set up the mission exactly as you mentioned , i do that with the editor and save for further testing . I always set up the HOTAS in editor as well and save F10 .

STEAM settings  will copy yours .

 

I can get all that done today then test with the mission you proposed  and report back . 

thank you very much and appreciate support .         

Edited September 26, 2019 by dog1

[adler_1]

Talisman

I did all the transformations and tested online at wings of lliberty to come up against other aircraft and the result is dismal , absolutely no improvement . There is no way you can identify and  dogfight let alone see your airbase or runway even from maybe 2-3 km and thats not in snow . FPS of 40-80 is unacceptable . I will use the VR for fun in solo mode till the next generation of CPU's comes out and start all over again . Glad i ordered my first TrackIng system ever , that will do for the moment . thanks support much appreciated .

[Talisman]

9 hours ago, dog1 said:

good morning 

Woke up to read your extensive and detailed explanation and link . To my big surprise your PC is almost identical to my recent upgrade listed above . I am going to copy all what you did in tweaks and see what comes out . What surprises me is you say you have a very clear image but going through the thread you gave me the images are far from acceptable . Your FPS is identical to mine and with that i am not satisfied , i am getting 150 FPS in non VR , tomorrow i receive my first HATTRACK to try out . Its not VR but i will dogfight with 150 FPS which maybe wth 4K settings should allow me to see the rivets of the opposing aircraft "almost" .

 

Questions :

STEAM resolution how did you change from 90 to 72 ? i cannot make changes to the current 90 , seems fixed.

Overclock  How much should i tell the technician to overclock , or lets say not more than . The heat on my I7 9700K CPU 8 core is approx 50 59 C each core . I might need a bigger cooler if overclocking ,very cheap here . 

NVIDIA 1080 TI  will do .

In game graphic settings Will copy

Testing I will set up the mission exactly as you mentioned , i do that with the editor and save for further testing . I always set up the HOTAS in editor as well and save F10 .

STEAM settings  will copy yours .

 

I can get all that done today then test with the mission you proposed  and report back . 

thank you very much and appreciate support .         

Under Steam VR, 'Settings', 'Video', you should be able to set refresh rate to 72 Hz (next to the enable custom resolution setting, which you need to tick box to enable (try custom resolution 100)), which should give you better frame rates than 90 Hz.  Below is an image from the internet (not mine).  This can be found in the Settings - Video tab.  You can see that the Enable custom resolution box is ticked and, in this case the refresh rate is set at 80 hz, (but I use 72 hz) and the custom resolution is set to 100% (which I have also used in the past).

 

Also, remember that, separately, under the 'Applications' tab, as I said in an earlier e-mail,  you need to experiment with the resolution setting there as well and try between 72 and 100% for example. (There is lots of information on the interned about how to use Steam VR.) 

 

 

Sorry that you are having trouble.  I don't have trouble in VR with the lower fps.  VR images are not as good as on a monitor yet, but many VR users find the immersion of VR more than makes up for that.

 

Good luck.

 

56RAF_Talisman

Edited September 26, 2019 by 56RAF_Talisman

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Guys, I chime in here in the usual German non-chalant way: I don't think you can help him as he doesn't seem to be tech savvy enough to fix the settings himself. 

 

Also he seems to be using an OG HTC Vive. That does have a very pixelated native panel. 

 

The only way to help him is via Teamviewer. I don't have the free time for that these days, but I helped quite a few guys like this and it's my recommendation. If you can catch him,  10mins and it'll be all set. 

 

Good luck and thanks for this great community effort to help a new guy get into VR. 

 

@dog1 don't give up and "wait for next CPU generation" or anything similar. It's your false settings that cause this. This is good news, as it means it csn be fixed. Download 'Teamviewer' and I'm certain someone can help you. 

Edited September 27, 2019 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[adler_1]

FENRIS

team viewer ready my ID  1411026838 , anyone ready to help would be most appreciative , please take into consideration time difference in replying .

Edited September 27, 2019 by dog1

[Talisman]

dog1,

 

You could keep 90 Hz refresh rate and try the Steam VR 'motion smoothing' option.  Below is a link to the beta release information, but it is now available on the full release version, so if you check out your Steam VR setting options you should find it.

 

https://steamcommunity.com/games/250820/announcements/detail/1696061565016280495?l=bulgarian

 

Good luck,

 

Talisman

[adler_1]

hello Talisman , i have motion smoothing it does nothing . Apparently 90 refresh is fixed by Steam for HTC VIVE . I need to know exactly what to do to increase my FPS to 90 . What i have read and tried so far here has'nt made any difference to performance . My technician told me today he adjusted the motherboard to best performance , my RAMS are the fastest type , Nvidia set to max performance . Maybe the HTC VIVE set cannot do better ,  i dont know .

Edited September 27, 2019 by dog1

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Maybe I'll catch you through the weekend.

 

See your PM

[RAY-EU]

HTC VIVE COSMOS not working in Il2 neither DCS ? 

‘I have the VIVE COSMOS bought for another games but when I tried in IL2 BOX seems not working otherwise in the vive menu appears DCS and IL2 as well. I will try later on how if it’s posible to enter ? !

Working on DCS ! :

 

Valve steam compatibility in early 2020 :

With the valve front adjustment piece front tape (how like you see in the other you tube video ) tracking steam for a future cost of 200€ .

Sosorry is in Spanish also mentioned.

So for Il2 ‘I will continue with the Pimax 5k+ Waiting for the future  Pimax 8k X+ Early 2020 for the il2 BOX with the Me262 A1b & DCS F18C . When available in Amazon.

Edited October 5, 2019 by RAY-EU