peter Jackson the dam busters raid

[downedpilot]

 i have been watching this for seven years, the film did not come, my biggest hope was a new simulator, on this. just keep on dreaming, i have played the ipod version but this is fun up and down tilt. game

[Rivet]

He's too busy with his Fairies Elves & Goblins, sorry, I meant Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit at the moment. Maybe he'll come back to it after the final installment of Bilbo & the Dragon. I hope so.

[Finkeren]

I have higher hopes for him to make a proper WW1 aviation movie. He really seems to be into those old crates.

[Bladderburst]

aviation movies are pointless ince cgi was invented

 

If some clueless producer could stop meddling with the "bigger boom, closer planes, love story" it could still be good.

[Revvin]

Why bother, by the time Hollywood finishes with it the story will be politically correct and historically inaccurate. The raid will have been done by an all American aircrew,flying from America and single handedly destroying ALL dams themselves before diverting to Berlin to kill Hitler, they fail but our hero pilot falls in love with him and Hitler swears he can change if only he could find true love so they run off to Switzerland together and set up a petting zoo.

[Bladderburst]

Peter Jackson is not American.

[Revvin]

I know that but Peter Jackson has to sell the idea it to a publisher in Hollywood to fund it

[Feathered_IV]

I think I'd rather have a movie about Lilya Litvak, or the battle for Malta. Dambusters is too contentious from an environmental and civilian casualty aspect. Not an ideal choice for a modern film.

[DD_bongodriver]

I think I'd rather have a movie about Lilya Litvak, or the battle for Malta. Dambusters is too contentious from an environmental and civilian casualty aspect. Not an ideal choice for a modern film.

 

That pretty much sums up 20th century conflict.

[Revvin]

I think I'd rather have a movie about Lilya Litvak, or the battle for Malta. Dambusters is too contentious from an environmental and civilian casualty aspect. Not an ideal choice for a modern film.

There's been plenty of films about Vietnam

[Feathered_IV]

I know what you mean. Jackson is more at home with more lightweight themes though and I'm not sure how that will sit against some of the harder realities of the true events. Somewhere between Redtails and the Memphis Belle perhaps.

[6S.Manu]

It's sad...

Talking about another movie on WW2 aviation, one about the life of Hermann Graf should be really interesting:

- the rescue of the jewish families

- the struggles to fly

- the love for soccer and the rescue of the German National Team players

- the short marriage with Jola Jobst

- the last injuries during the defense of the Reich

- the years as POW

- the post-war ostracizing by his former comrades

[Bladderburst]

How about a movie about Albert Goering? (not aviation but oh well)

[downedpilot]

I think I'd rather have a movie about Lilya Litvak, or the battle for Malta. Dambusters is too contentious from an environmental and civilian casualty aspect. Not an ideal choice for a modern film.

malta got the cross.,but i am sorry its the flying a four engine bomber like a spitfire that turns me on, i would like to see a condor try it.

[Stray]

Ha! And I hope to live long enough to finally see Polish cinematographers to make a movie about Polish pilots in Battle fo Britain. The Czechs did it with "Dark Blue World" and I am not getting any younger.

[DD_Arthur]

 The raid will have been done by an all American aircrew,flying from America and single handedly destroying ALL dams themselves before diverting to Berlin to kill Hitler, they fail but our hero pilot falls in love with him and Hitler swears he can change if only he could find true love so they run off to Switzerland together and set up a petting zoo.

 

Revvin, standby for a 'phone call from George Lucas's agent.  I think you're onto a winner!

[DD_Crash]

I hope that Hollywood never does a remake of "Sink the Bismark" I imagine that the plot would show that Bismark sank the Royal Navy only to be sunk by a renegade ex-USN (because that werent in the war at that time) in a 4 stack destroyer

[Bladderburst]

Revvin, standby for a 'phone call from George Lucas's agent.  I think you're onto a winner!

I'd say we cast a Cuba Gooding JR as Hitler.

[DD_bongodriver]

why not, we've had Christian Slater as Winston Churchill.

[76SQN-FatherTed]

aviation movies are pointless ince cgi was invented

 

I think quite the opposite.  Properly implemented, CGI should be able to do so much more to convey aerial conflict than can be achieved with the use of real planes, models and back-projection.  CGI is now indistinguishable from real-life footage, so you can capture action that you can't recreate with traditional methods (eg plane breaking up in mid-air).  In fact, I even wrote myself a screenplay about air-fighting in WW1 precisely because I believe this to be the case,

[Feathered_IV]

I tend to agree. The biggest problem standing in the way of a good aviation film is bad writing and lousy acting.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

I only recently read the Dam Busters by Paul Brickhill. It was a very good read.

 

The dam raids only take up the first few chapters of the of the book and it's a pity that the rest of the squadrons service go largely forgotten. It would be good to see more of their late war service portrayed on film

[J2_Trupobaw]

I think quite the opposite.  Properly implemented, CGI should be able to do so much more to convey aerial conflict than can be achieved with the use of real planes, models and back-projection.  CGI is now indistinguishable from real-life footage, so you can capture action that you can't recreate with traditional methods (eg plane breaking up in mid-air).  In fact, I even wrote myself a screenplay about air-fighting in WW1 precisely because I believe this to be the case,

 

Key word is "properly implemented"; CGI has made it cheaper to hire an choreographer who designs some visually stunning dance that would be pointless, suicidal and impossible to perform with physics on, than to hire a stunt double (or aerodynamics expert) and design scenes that look "difficult, but believable". Watch the Hobbit, look at action scenes; they don't even bother with what looks realistic, sensible or not-suicidal in swordplay, easier to relate to than planes. CGI is as capable of showing Spitfire breaking sound barrier in dive (and shattering the pursuing Bf-109 to pieces with Sonic Boom!) as it is of painstakingly recreating aerial combat that might happen in 70 years ago.

[Finkeren]

Perhaps the only real good cgi movie ever made was jurassic park 1 ...

Jurassic Park has by far the best and most lifelike (if not exactly palaeontologically correct) dinosaurs ever put on screen and indeed some of the most believeable special effects in the history of cinema. Yet, 90% of it was done with puppetry, animatronics and other classic special effects. The CGI was only employed as an aid to the "real" special effects, and that's the key issue: Once CGI could stand on its own (which it couldn't quite do when JP was in production) all restraints of the physical world disappeared overnight . Suddenly special effects producers, who had spent decades battling the forces of nature to get the shot they needed, now had to work hard to implement those same forces in CGI to make their effects remotely believeable. Old school special effects may not have looked "real" most of the time, but at least they mostly looked like they were actually there (green screen effects notwithstanding. Now the problem isn't making the effects look real, the problem is making it look like they are really there, and a big part of that is keeping the action within the boundaries of the audience's suspension of disbelief.

[J2_Trupobaw]

 

 

Perhaps the only real good cgi movie ever made was jurassic park 1 ...

Terminator 2. Because most of dangerous looking effects were still made by stuns doubles . 

[Rjel]

I enjoyed listening to this. And it wasn't made in Hollywood.

 

https://archive.org/details/TheDambusters1954OtrAustralianRadio

[Skoshi_Tiger]

I enjoyed listening to this. And it wasn't made in Hollywood.

 

https://archive.org/details/TheDambusters1954OtrAustralianRadio

Pure gold!

 

Thank you for posting!

[Corto]

no pure diamond..

thx for this link!!!

[TyphoonOneB]

The problem with CGI these days is that some directors use way too much of it, ( The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is just wayy overdone.) Also when using CGI without a physical base,ie filming a plane then putting in effects, the physics and movements of a plane can look really weird and unrealistic. Peter Jackson does it really well in his Over the Front short movie, using CGI for all sequences but keeping true to the movements of the aircraft.

[Trident_109]

Never heard of Over the Front by PJ.  I have seen his short used to demo the Red One camera system back in 2007 or so.

 

[Cybermat47]

I have higher hopes for him to make a proper WW1 aviation movie. He really seems to be into those old crates.

If his short film for the Australian War Memorial, Over the Front, is any indication, he'd make a great one Edited April 14, 2014 by [AJSA]_Cybermat47

[II./JG27_Rich]

It's sad...

 

Talking about another movie on WW2 aviation, one about the life of Hermann Graf should be really interesting:

- the rescue of the jewish families

- the struggles to fly

- the love for soccer and the rescue of the German National Team players

- the short marriage with Jola Jobst

- the last injuries during the defense of the Reich

- the years as POW

- the post-war ostracizing by his former comrades

Agree totally Manu. I think this is an 8 part television series though

[TheBlackPenguin]

If you watch King Kong the planes don't look too bad, however I wonder if the raid would be better off as a TV series? You can get a lot more information into a series that would otherwise be missed, but either way we really are due for another movie as good as the last one was many details were still secret.