Where are the default trim settings located?

[von_Michelstamm]

I’d like to change the Anton so it starts at 0% instead of -38%.

unlike the bf109 stab axis, this one always resets itself, even when restarting a mission. What file is this located in?

Edited September 7, 2019 by von_Michelstamm

[LukeFF]

I don't think they're stored anywhere that can be accessed. 

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

All planes reset themselves to the preset default by the Devs (for best level flight stability or straight line) 
As above i have never been able to find them even ripping apart game files for modding. (but not looked to hard) 

Key binding is there you hit it and it resets all trims to Default. 
You can also map this binding to Ignition so when you start plane it auto Resets all trims for take off.
 

[356thFS_Melonfish]

the Trim does reset yes, even odder is that when you set the trim to zero in some planes (109 F2 for instance) it's actually still at a hefty minus figure in the tech chat.

not sure how to get round that?

 

 

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Auto Trim Reset Does Not work for Stabilizer Trim AFAIK. 

 

[LoupVert]

On 9/7/2019 at 4:38 AM, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

All planes reset themselves to the preset default by the Devs (for best level flight stability or straight line) 
As above i have never been able to find them even ripping apart game files for modding. (but not looked to hard) 

Key binding is there you hit it and it resets all trims to Default. 
You can also map this binding to Ignition so when you start plane it auto Resets all trims for take off.
 

Hey there,

 

is it known for which config (.ie fuel amount and loadout), and maybe which speed, does the default preset is made to match ?

Edited March 21, 2023 by LoupVert

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, LoupVert said:

Hey there,

 

is it known for which config (.ie fuel amount and loadout), and maybe which speed, does the default preset is made to match ?

 

It's set for cruise power, which is probably somewhere in the Continous Power range.

[czech693]

On 9/11/2019 at 8:48 AM, Melonfish said:

the Trim does reset yes, even odder is that when you set the trim to zero in some planes (109 F2 for instance) it's actually still at a hefty minus figure in the tech chat.

not sure how to get round that?

 

 

Remember that tech chat is in percent and not degrees.  In the case of the Bf-109 it is not unusual and is designed that way.  I owned a '58 C182A that had an adjustable stabilizer instead of a trim tab.  I marked the upper and lower limits on the fuselage with a pencil, and then the zero point just to check it out.  I had the same situation as the 109, more nose up trim than down.  That's because you want to trim nose up to climb so you don't have to hold the control, but usually you pull off some power to start a decent.  Otherwise, just timming nose down without a power reduction gets you a really fast speed descent just when you want a stabilized descent. And, the faster the plane goes the more lift it creates and you have to add more nose down trim (until you run out).  I would think that the Bf-109 was designed with zero on the trim as best for cruising under normal conditions, although fuel and armament weight would make you do small corrections.  Zero would be easier to find than telling them you have to maintain -2 on the trim for cruise.  Different planes would be designed with different considerations by the engineer so they might show a tech chat value of zero when the trim wheel is set to zero (I think the P-51 is this way, and it has a trim tab which probably moves in equal amounts in either direction given its laminar flow wing).

 

Actually, just checked and the P-51 has less nose down pitch than nose up pitch.

Edited March 22, 2023 by czech693

[Yogiflight]

On 3/21/2023 at 9:16 PM, LukeFF said:

 

It's set for cruise power, which is probably somewhere in the Continous Power range.

Not for the Bf 109s. Here it is set to something like -2°, while cruise speed is somewhere around +2°.

 

On 9/7/2019 at 4:38 AM, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

All planes reset themselves to the preset default by the Devs (for best level flight stability or straight line)

Not the Bf 109s. They start the next mission with the stabilizer trim, you left the last mission with. Therefore I always turn the trim wheel back to +1° when taxiing to the parking area after a mission.

[LukeFF]

A message was sent to a developer about the default trim settings; this is what he said:

 

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There is no common standard for all planes, but usually trimming is set to the altitude of 3 km, 50% fuel, and combat mode of the engine.

 

(Credit to @LoupVert for asking).

[RossMarBow]

On 9/7/2019 at 1:16 PM, von_Michelstamm said:

I’d like to change the Anton so it starts at 0% instead of -38%.

unlike the bf109 stab axis, this one always resets itself, even when restarting a mission. What file is this located in?

For 109s and 190s if your not constantly changing the stab your not flying good.
So the premise of this question is moot.

[IckyATLAS]

On 3/31/2023 at 5:40 AM, RossMarBow said:

For 109s and 190s if your not constantly changing the stab your not flying good.

What do you mean not flying good.

At least for the 190A3 where I have some practice you can have a pretty level and regular flight at low to medium altitude at a stable power setting or around 0.8. For that you need to bring the plane first to a stable flat flight at around 350 km/hr and it will keep it say well enough, does not mean you can leave your stick and drink a cup of tea. But if having a cup of tea is unavoidable ? on a long mission then hit Shift-A key (it is cheating with a three axis perfect trim) and take a sip. And by the way on real planes even when all three axis can be trimmed, still it will help only by lengthening the time between corrections and lowering the force needed for the small corrections yo will still have to do with your stick. Air is not a perfect medium and so your plane (except with a modern autopilot with all bells and whistles) will diverge slowly but surely, and if the air around you is turbulent or say unstable then trims become marginal. 

[blitze]

On 3/24/2023 at 11:43 PM, LukeFF said:

A message was sent to a developer about the default trim settings; this is what he said:

 

 

(Credit to @LoupVert for asking).

That would  make sense and why I find myself trimming nose down for high speed level cruise and / or formation flying.

[RossMarBow]

On 4/1/2023 at 6:59 PM, IckyATLAS said:

What do you mean not flying good.

At least for the 190A3 where I have some practice you can have a pretty level and regular flight at low to medium altitude at a stable power setting or around 0.8. For that you need to bring the plane first to a stable flat flight at around 350 km/hr and it will keep it say well enough, does not mean you can leave your stick and drink a cup of tea. But if having a cup of tea is unavoidable ? on a long mission then hit Shift-A key (it is cheating with a three axis perfect trim) and take a sip. And by the way on real planes even when all three axis can be trimmed, still it will help only by lengthening the time between corrections and lowering the force needed for the small corrections yo will still have to do with your stick. Air is not a perfect medium and so your plane (except with a modern autopilot with all bells and whistles) will diverge slowly but surely, and if the air around you is turbulent or say unstable then trims become marginal. 

Imagine flying a ww2 bird that slow and thinking its a viable way to fly.

 

On 4/2/2023 at 6:32 PM, blitze said:

That would  make sense and why I find myself trimming nose down for high speed level cruise and / or formation flying.

It should default for take off trim.
I know that would create problems for air starts. 
But would force pilots to rub brain cells together and maybe read the manual.

 

On 9/7/2019 at 1:16 PM, von_Michelstamm said:

I’d like to change the Anton so it starts at 0% instead of -38%.

unlike the bf109 stab axis, this one always resets itself, even when restarting a mission. What file is this located in?

 

 

Since none has actually answered this question for you.
What I do with the p47 is bind the trim to my stick (an axis). This results in that trim control "resetting" to zero.

Theirs other planes that also benefit from this.
The unintended benefit is the value resetting to zero.
The real value is simplifying and reducing the number of control inputs needed. 

Now I can't remember if the antons can be bound to an axis. I vaguely remember something about this not working. Or maybe it was just the 109 that couldn't do this. In which case you will have to use some extra software like joy2key or whatever.

Edited April 3, 2023 by RossMarBow

[BlitzPig_EL]

The FW 190 in real life had an electric stabilizer that was controlled by buttons, hence in game it has to be bound to buttons.  The stabilizer on the Bf109 was controlled by a hand wheel on the left side of the cockpit and can be bound to an axis, like most aircraft in the sim.

 

I don't understand the angst over this.  Before you take off, set your elevator trim for take off, then reset as necessary in flight for the conditions you encounter.  If you are flying with out complex management turned on, well, too bad, you are stuck with an average cruise trim setting.

[RossMarBow]

On 4/3/2023 at 11:21 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

The FW 190 in real life had an electric stabilizer that was controlled by buttons, hence in game it has to be bound to buttons.  The stabilizer on the Bf109 was controlled by a hand wheel on the left side of the cockpit and can be bound to an axis, like most aircraft in the sim.

 

I don't understand the angst over this.  Before you take off, set your elevator trim for take off, then reset as necessary in flight for the conditions you encounter.  If you are flying with out complex management turned on, well, too bad, you are stuck with an average cruise trim setting.

Considering how even with complex management turned on
Nothing is actually more complicated with the 109/190s
I would recommend strongly you turn it on for the 190/109

Can not emphasise enough how constantly trimming the stabilator will massively improve your outcomes and enjoyment of those planes 
When I'm flying those my thumb is constantly adjusting the stab - I make more inputs into the stab that all the other inputs combined

Stab input should be instinctual - if I could redesign the 109/190s I would replace the foot pedal brake control with stab control

 

Another thing you can do is make more use of the autolevel flight button (i think default is shift A?)
As well as the autolevel turn buttons
I rebind it so its more easily accessible
You can use it in single player and multiplayer
And even with half your plane missing or very bad trim settings it will keep your plane flying straight and level 
Probably my 2nd most used button after stab trim ? 

Edited April 6, 2023 by RossMarBow