Stuka dive technique?

[Crashbangwallop]

I've been having a go at the Stuka in the last few days, and I'm just not getting the 'roll over' technique. It seems to me that simply nosing over is much more effective; you have fewer control and orientation problems to think about.

 

Anyone else? 

 

BTW, really not bothered about historical technique, and I'm pretty sure I've seen film of Stukas doing both

[BubiHUN]

I can help you with that, just hopon our discord.

[Crashbangwallop]

Thanks Bubi, I'm not much of a multiplayer myself, and I don't have dischord. But thanks for the offer and quick response

Are you a devotee of the 'roll over'? If so, what's the advantage?

[BubiHUN]

Rolling it over gives you the feeling that all you had to do after the roll over: pulling the stick towards the ground, keep the crosshair at the spot where you want to drop your bombs, and the energy/speed what you gathered during the dive, you can use it to fly away, really fast.
Edit: just stay low, fly away right at the top of the trees, so the flak will hit you much less chance. 

Edited August 28, 2019 by -[HRAF]BubiHUN

[356thFS_Melonfish]

Rolling gives you a better view of your target, it's also easier if you're currently circling for a better position.

 

however, if your target appears directly in your nose window feel free to nose down and go for it, good hunting

 

[40plus]

26 minutes ago, Melonfish said:

Rolling gives you a better view of your target, it's also easier if you're currently circling for a better position.

 

however, if your target appears directly in your nose window feel free to nose down and go for it, good hunting

 

Argh, I still haven't bound that window to anything on my hotas so I always forget that it's a thing. 

 

Roll-over method for me for the reasons you stated. long time with eyes on target.

[356thFS_Melonfish]

7 minutes ago, pfrances said:

Argh, I still haven't bound that window to anything on my hotas so I always forget that it's a thing. 

 

Roll-over method for me for the reasons you stated. long time with eyes on target.

Bind it to your bomb bay doors key works for me

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

From what I have read, there seems to have been a different approach by unit. Possibly it depended on target / wind / defences? 

[InProgress]

2 hours ago, Crashbangwallop said:

If so, what's the advantage?

You don't have to be under the target, it can be on the sides and if you roll you can easly dive on him. It's good if you don't have time to stay in that place for long. You also have better view. If you fly in formation, it's kind of hard to dive one by one if you don't roll to follow leader, unless everyone would fly in a line behind each other.

Another thing is, when you want to pull up and leave the area quickly, you would want to face your part of the front. Sometimes there is no time to do a wide cirlce or position yourself in a way that you would attack from enemy side (I think that's what Rudel was doing), but you can't always do it. Enemy fighters in the area, heavy AAA etc. So just roll and you will then face direction you want to go.

 

I am not sure about this one, in CloD if you roll, there is no negative G affecting you but if you dive without rolling, there is redout occuring so it's not really fun. This is why i use rolling as much as possible. I don't know if this is realistic or not. In box there is no G effect in stuka dive anyway so it's does not matter there. Tho i think it will change with new pilot stamina thing and i hope so, it's a bit ridiculus to dive 90 degree and pull up without any problems.

 

Bad thing is that you can get hit in the face with AAA, glass is not much of protection but chance is like 0,001% not worth bothering with.

 

Best thing is, you don't have to be directly over the darget, you just roll left or right. It's good for vehicles or ships than can turn somewhere to avoid you.

[Crashbangwallop]

Thanks for the input and advice, lads. I'd looked at Requiem's wee video on how to do it, and he just makes it look so simple. I think my main problem is controlling the initial inversion, and the re-orienting immediately after that. I usually end up somewhere other than above the target, and am have to do all sorts of directional changes on the way down.

 

With the nose over, I know my wings are level and I'm probably going to stay on the same bearing. I get the stuff about exiting 'homewards' too – valid point. I think I have to do a lot more practice though – not necessarily with bombs. Maybe look at aerobatic trails and try and make the whole process smoother

 

Just one more thing – should I be doing something about trim when initiating the dive?

[PatrickAWlson]

I find it easier to get fully nose down with the roll as opposed to nosing over.  I also like looking through the top of the glass.  I feel like i can pick up the target faster.  

[=Elite=BlitzPuppet]

Not sure if this helps, but here is a video of my usual method in the Stuka:

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by =Elite=BlitzPuppet
youtube borked embed.

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

What i do is open up that floor door, once the target is in the window, count to ten, you should be directly over it then roll over and dive straight down with the airbrake deployed and of course the siren screaming. BOOM!

[LukeFF]

8 hours ago, Crashbangwallop said:

Just one more thing – should I be doing something about trim when initiating the dive?

 

Rudder trim neutral and elevator trim full forward. 

[NETSCAPE]

check out this thread as well

[Crashbangwallop]

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check out this thread as well

Wow Netscape, that's quite thread! Seems like Mr Mauf was experiencing exactly the same troubles as me. Tremendously useful, thanks...

 

...and a useful trim hint from LukeFF. That makes sense. I seem to remember (now) from IL246 that the whole trim thing was done automatically when dive brakes were operated. 

 

Been doing a few dives with smoke trails. Unloaded, the aircraft lacks the inertia of a bombed up Stuka, but the trails tell me that I'm diving to early, and must be spending far too long trying to control the aircraft upside down before diving. Useful exercise

 

Thanks to all for the help and advice 

[Sublime]

Id like to add for newbies a lil advice on bombing.  It can be tempting to nose down throw on the dive brake and drop after only descending a little.  It seems you almost hang in the air and can line up easily.

Dont do this - your bomb accuracy will suffer.

Ideally you dont want a super long dive - you become vilnerable to AA and speed compression, but you want a good thousand foot dive at least to give your bombs some momentum and to line your aim up better.

Im not sure of the exact science behind it- I just know a longer dive brings much higher accuracy tham a quick nose over, 200 foot dive and drop.