P47 pilot flies Il2 P47

[SCG_motoadve]

This is not a WWII pilot although seen combat in A26s, and the Broncos.

Owned a P47, P40, P51s, Corsair, Zero, Hellcat, among other warbirds, Reno racer winner and 18 years participant in the unlimited class in P51s.

He still flies, and owns a few planes.

 

This was his first time ever flying a Sim,  we used VR .

First flight , Quick mission, one hr straight non stop in VR , he was blown away by the realism in VR!  he said many times, its like being in the Thunderbolt ,then he got a headache and stopped.

During the flight, he flew the P47, took off, did rolls,  steep turns, climbs, landings without crashing it (I was impressed , other pilots friends crash quick or are dizzy after a few minutes).

His impressions, P47 performance is spot on, P47 was a dog at low altitude, rate of climb spot on, feel of flight fantastic and feels realistic up to the ballooning when deploying flaps for landing.

He thought landings were very easy and forgiving though, I agreed and explained this might be done like this for playability reasons.

 

Took a break , flew again, now I added some enemies, he got shot down, wing came off, he was surprised to see the wing coming off from the root of a P47 , tried  again got his engine killed by one hit (this guy is a WWII aviation encyclopedia like the best guys in this community) thought the durability of the plane and engine was a bit too fragile.

He asked for a P 51 but , I told him was not released yet, talking about the P41 he told me it has a nasty stall that will become an inverted spin easily and can take up to 8,000ft to recover.

 

I offered all other planes, but he just wanted to fly the P 47 again, he flew for hrs , I could not get him off the simulator.

He commented controls does not give feedback to the pilot , yep I said I wish there were affordable force feedback sticks with extensions, like the Virpyl or others of this quality, also rudder pedals with force feedback.

He loved the Buttkicker  though, I have one attached to the stick another to the seat.

He is hooked, and I am going to help him build and setup a powerful PC for Il2  in VR.

Was fun to see how impressed he was with IL2.

 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Interesting, thanks for sharing his impressions! Will be interesting to see what he thinks of the P-51 when it releases, and if he could play DCS P-51 to add to the comparison too

[sevenless]

Thanks for sharing. Good to hear what someone who really flew the plane thinks about its digital representation. Seems like 1CGS has it spot on with the exception of the damage model. Maybe they can work on that to increase the specific ruggedness of that bird.

[CountZero]

Thats good to here

[Jaegermeister]

4 hours ago, sevenless said:

Seems like 1CGS has it spot on with the exception of the damage model.

 

And the flaps lift needs a bit of work but I think they are aware of that already. I think we can expect to see that addressed in September.

[Jade_Monkey]

40 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

And the flaps lift needs a bit of work but I think they are aware of that already. I think we can expect to see that addressed in September.

 

I sure hope so. The issue is abused constantly in MP.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Jade_Monkey

[Jaegermeister]

No doubt

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

6 hours ago, sevenless said:

Thanks for sharing. Good to hear what someone who really flew the plane thinks about its digital representation. Seems like 1CGS has it spot on with the exception of the damage model. Maybe they can work on that to increase the specific ruggedness of that bird.

 

Right lol, because he probably gets shot at with 30mm everything he takes the real P47 for a spin.

Honestly though, in terms of FM I am sure he knows his stuff 110% but how is he supposed to have any experience regarding the DM?

Knowing OPs opinion on the DM, there might have been some bias in his opinion.

[ShamrockOneFive]

That's an amazing story! Thanks for sharing!

[Field-Ops]

4 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

And the flaps lift needs a bit of work but I think they are aware of that already. I think we can expect to see that addressed in September.

If the flaps are ballooning right then doesnt that say they are giving the correct lift? 

[FlyingNutcase]

3 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

I sure hope so. The issue is abused constantly in MP.

 

Is this the "exaggerated elevator authority" (apparent) issue?

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This was a really cool story to read about. Interesting that he's sold on a whole flying set up. Please keep us updated, e.g. re the '51.

Edited August 4, 2019 by FlyingNutcase

[Guest deleted@50488]

Thanks for sharing motoadve !  ?

 

So, he didn't comment about the huge amounts of tail-heavy trim required for landing, under a quite wide weight range ( fuel + amno ).

I still think there is something strange with that aspect of the P-47 FDM.

 

Strangely, I seldom can play any of the glider simulators I have used - and I guess I used all available variants ever marketed. They all felt so far from reality that the only soaring sims I started using are those that come with my navigation softwares ?

 

But there are surely many examples of rw pilots, some professional, who use flight simulators as "simmers" too. We can find some excellent examples at the Aerowinx PSX forums.

 

I never tried VR with the modern technologies. I believe I will skip it in this life. I'm almost 100% sure it would get me really dizzy...

 

Edited August 4, 2019 by jcomm-il2

[Lusekofte]

I always wanted this to happen. 

Did he say anything about the sound?  I always imagined it to be more brutal than the game offer. 

I have suspected radial engines are way to fragile in this game and wings get off too easy. 

It is so rear one can get pilots to test out sims. 

I reslly would have loved him to try P 51 in DCS. 

I got one such reference, always good to have more

[Guest deleted@50488]

I am really looking fwd for the P-51D in IL-2. Somehow there were always some aspects I seriously doubt about in the way it was modeled in DCS.

 

And then, I will be looking fwd for the day Devs announce the introduction of fuel management, and resulting asymmetric fuel loads in aircraft that have that problem, losing fuel from one tank, etc... ?

[Dakpilot]

Damage model and engine damage could maybe do with some tweaking.. But the end result will more likely be the same. 

The wing would not fall off but the damage would put you out of the fight and same goes with radial engines, (I have blown/shut down  enough to see the difference between "myth and reality") 

 

At the end of the day these issues (generally) don't change outcomes, (in combat which is what the 'game' is about) except for getting home with "two cylinders blown off, 1% scenarios. 

 

Of course improvements/granularity/detail are always welcome

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Dakpilot said:

 

At the end of the day these issues (generally) don't change outcomes

I agree. But seeing the wing blow off in a IL 2 and P 47 is off character compared to the quality in rest of the game. 

In my opinion people confuse how radials work. 

It can operate with severe damage given right conditions. 

Parameters too complex to be expected modeled here. But radials should be modeled a bit more robust so it give the pilot a glimpse of hope to return before he blow out of the skies

[SCG_motoadve]

9 hours ago, =EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand said:

 

Right lol, because he probably gets shot at with 30mm everything he takes the real P47 for a spin.

Honestly though, in terms of FM I am sure he knows his stuff 110% but how is he supposed to have any experience regarding the DM?

Knowing OPs opinion on the DM, there might have been some bias in his opinion.

He just read first hand accounts stories about the durability of the P47, also the radial engine, like all of us.

He might know a bit more that the regular WWII buff though.

By hanging out and talking to those veterans, his flight instructor was a WWII fighter pilot, he met Adolf Galland and Eric Hartman, along some other WWII fighter pilots, and flew many of those fighters himself, did lots of dogfighting for fun, and also  by being in combat himself, BTW he loved the A26 and confessed he had lots of fun as a ground attacker plane blowing things up with all those guns on the nose, very fast plane.

 

Reno races in the 60s ,70s , and 80s  were flown many former WWII era pilots, and according to him you could tell right away when you saw them flying, who was a civilian and who was a former fighter pilot, the vets were so much better.

Did not commented on the sounds, I use VR and use a pretty good headset instead of the VR sound, high volume plus the Buttkicker is very convincing, the sounds of the P47 is the best in game IMHO.

Regarding trim for landing, he did not find it strange, his landings were not smooth or perfect though, this is why he said they were very forgiving in game, but he never broke the plane. (is a matter of getting used to stick forces in game, which are way more sensitive than real ones)

Flaps were used on final for landing,  he did not do any stalls or slow flight, so didnt experienced the big advantage flaps gives the P47 in game.

He commented radials are very though.

I explained that the P47 might not be finished , since the official release of BOBP is in a few months and might get tweaked.

Edited August 4, 2019 by II./JG77_motoadve
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[EAF19_Marsh]

Thanks for posting, nice confirmation of the general modelling.

[[110]xJammer]

Interesting points on the flap behaviour though

Edited August 4, 2019 by [110]xJammer

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

1 hour ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Eric Hartman

 

Who is that? ?

[Jade_Monkey]

8 hours ago, FlyingNutcase said:

 

Is this the "exaggerated elevator authority" (apparent) issue?

 

Im not sure if it's the same issue. People deploy flaps and get to turn tighter than any other plane with almost no drag. All of a sudden the P47 becomes the king of turnfighting low with no energy.

[Blitzen]

I great read!!!

[Lusekofte]

I do not know if any can confirm this price list

HE PRICE OF  VICTORY (cost of an aircraft in WWII dollars)
B-17        $204,370.     P-40        $44,892.
B-24        $215,516.     P-47        $85,578.
B-25        $142,194.     P-51        $51,572.
B-26        $192,426.     C-47        $88,574.
B-29        $605,360.     PT-17      $15,052.
P-38          $97,147.     AT-6        $22,952.

 

It is interesting. 

My point in this is, there are no doubts P 47 and IL  2 had losses. But when you loose one of the two. Blowing the wing off every 2 time is not believable.  

Here is the website for incredible statistcs

 

Edited August 4, 2019 by LuseKofte

[Gavrick]

Thank you! Very interesting and useful.

[-332FG-Hank_DG]

Clean up your desk Moto 

[SCG_motoadve]

30 minutes ago, II./JG77_HankDG said:

Clean up your desk Moto 

LOL my wife says that all the time!?

[Herne]

10 minutes ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

LOL my wife says that all the time!?

 

Looks fine to me, at least you can see some of it . . . . which is more than I can say for mine lol

[CIA_Yankee_]

On 8/4/2019 at 3:29 AM, Dakpilot said:

Damage model and engine damage could maybe do with some tweaking.. But the end result will more likely be the same. 

 

I don't know about the engine. The P-47 has easily the most fragile engine on the allied sides. I've _rarely_ managed to nurse one back home after it's been damaged, which is the complete opposite of the P-47's reputation.

 

It defies logic, since by most accounts radial engines tend to be more durable.

[Herne]

1 hour ago, 71st_AH_Yankee_ said:

 

I don't know about the engine. The P-47 has easily the most fragile engine on the allied sides. I've _rarely_ managed to nurse one back home after it's been damaged, which is the complete opposite of the P-47's reputation.

 

It defies logic, since by most accounts radial engines tend to be more durable.

 

I've found it to be quite hardy, not just the engine but the overall structure on combat box server vs AA. It seems to take a surprising amount of punishment and still mostly get you home, which is in complete contrast to damage taken from enemy AC, where it seems to be extremely fragile

 

Edit: To be fair though I suppose a few 30 mm rounds are more than capable of ruining your day, regardless of what you are flying

Edited August 5, 2019 by ACG_Herne

[von_Michelstamm]

Good read, and you may have sold me on a buttkicker

[SCG_motoadve]

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[von_Michelstamm]

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Which one did you put on the stick extension? The the long orange one with a ball on one side and screw on the other?

[SCG_motoadve]

5 minutes ago, von_Michelstamm said:

Which one did you put on the stick extension? The the long orange one with a ball on one side and screw on the other?

I attached it to the base.

[Rei-sen]

On 8/3/2019 at 1:27 PM, SCG_motoadve said:

flew again, now I added some enemies, he got shot down, wing came off, he was surprised to see the wing coming off from the root of a P47 , tried  again got his engine killed by one hit (this guy is a WWII aviation encyclopedia like the best guys in this community) thought the durability of the plane and engine was a bit too fragile.

It would be interesting to know his comments after trying several planes, especially setting up a dogfight in QMB against a 109. And comparing P-47 to A-20 in a dogfight against the 109. Wonder what his impressions would be.