Thanks for 262

[ATA_Vasilij]

Dear developers,

 

thanks that you gave germans such superior plane and left allies without proper antiweapon.

From the last update to play the game is just for very strong persons who likes to be killed 20times in an hour without any option to survive.

 

I play dogfight maps without restricted planeset. I know my fault. But the game was playable untill the Schwalbe has come..

 

Giving germans 262 is like to give them an infra guided missiles from 20th century.

Well, I accept the speed. But do you think the maneuverability is OK? That plane is a beast among all others! And its damage model is truly impressive. Huge amount of hits makes just the fuel smoking line behind the plane....

 

And when some of them like vulching, ... the game is NOT FUNNY anymore from that time.

 

Any suggestions from develeopers? Restrictions in hours possible to take this plane for one player in a month, or something else??

I know I have to complain for the particular server admins.

 

But some help from your side is also welcomed....

 

And NOT, Tempest expecting is not the answer. Tempest is still slower.... this solves absolutely nothing.

 

Give us S400 or something like that.

 

Please consider the interesting solutions for each allies pilots....

Now the game is unplayble.

Thanks.

 

 

[Hawk-2a]

The devs are not responsible for the availability of planes in MP at all, if you wanna rant about it, go to the server admins.

at this point it is more than time to appreciate how very well made the 262 is and it is a really great experience to fly one.

If you want a faster plane than the 262, why don‘t you ask for an F16 right away? That‘s pretty much how ridiculous your wall of text sounds that was mostly written out of frustration i suppose.

 

now enjoy your time flying, don‘t take it too serious. You should get in touch with the server admins about balance in whatever server you flew on.

cheers

[SCG_Tzigy]

42 minutes ago, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

From the last update to play the game is just for very strong persons who likes to be killed 20times in an hour without any option to survive

 

little melodramatic, dont u think? 

 

? do you only fly bombers/straight and level? have you flown the 262 yourself?

 

Admittedly 262 very hard to kill when flown properly..but not 2 hard to evade.  

 

[ATA_Vasilij]

I took 262, 8kill in 10 min... and no deaths.... 

 

Aces on the server I fly have in average from 10 to 20 kills during an hour....

Yes, I say aces,... and when meet 2 of them or even 5, the game is totaly not game anymore....

If you uses trims, shooting with 262 is very easy... and only 1 grenade is enough.... but this you know

[6FG_Big_Al]

As others have already written, it's up to the server admins, not the developers. Furthermore, the planes for BobP were clear from the beginning, so we all knew what was coming. Additionally, the planes are developed according to feasibility (depending on the availability of sources etc.) and not for the purpose of balance.  Also, I don't know on which servers you play, because at least on KotA and Combat Box for example they were reduced.  
Of course the swallow is hard to kill, but even when everyone was flying around with it, it wasn't like they were invincible. And even now I've only been shot down twice by 262s, so you're doing something wrong (because I'm certainly not a good fighter pilot and I'm often caught).

 

 

 

[ATA_Vasilij]

The server is called. EU 1CGS Normal.

Or something like that.

 

It's with icons, and everybody is invited to try survive when Ruthless Killer is in the air. Nothing helps you, you can watch the plane as you want, sooner or later you will be down.

 

262 has total superiority. In hands of good pilot you have no chance.

 

This is not about unbalanced game.

 

This is about total liquidation of allied pilots.

 

I Don't believe 262 were such "über" plane. As we got in game. But yes, this is about discussion.

[[DBS]Browning]

29 minutes ago, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

I Don't believe 262 were such "über" plane. As we got in game

Why not?

[SCG_Tzigy]

1 hour ago, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

I Don't believe 262 were such "über" plane. As we got in game. But yes, this is about discussion.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Me-262-Stormbird-Pilots-Survived/dp/0760342636/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=me-262+and+the+man+who+flew+book&qid=1563486794&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr1

 

great read. and yeah it was kind of "über"

 

still, plenty of them shot down by fighters when circumstances right..

 

meanwhile may i suggest different servers...  :)

[LuftManu]

Thank you, this post made my day

 

Jokes aside, the 262 is already very limited in servers. It was possible to meet one of these bad boys back in 45 and the best chances back then was to shot it down on it's own airfield

 

aint this surprising?

[=[TIA]=I-Fly-Central]

LoL. What do you expect for them to give you eh?

 

As far as speed goes; even the gloster meteor was not as fast as the 262.

 

You need to learn to make the best of what you are given, because that is what allied pilots of the time had to do. This is what is being simulated; the conditions of the battle, and the planes that were there.

 

Not going to go over the fact that 262 numbers in MP have already been reduced; as that was covered by others already.

[TheOldCrow]

 

[Ehret]

What the video shows is the 262 driver making a serious mistake (getting into a hard turn) thus willingly exposing self to an attack by the incoming Jug.

I wouldn't use this as an argument of any kind nor bet being competitive on it. History knows example of the Po-2 maneuvering killing the F-94, too.

[TheOldCrow]

You're right in the fact it's not a good argument on being competitive against it. But, what it does is prove it can be brought down. It's not invincible and not always going to be piloted by the best of the best every time. And even serious veterans make mistakes. Take the Red Baron for example, or even I-Fly on his video about defensive flying in the A-8.

[ATA_Vasilij]

On 7/19/2019 at 2:27 AM, I-Fly-Central said:

You need to learn to make the best of what you are given, because that is what allied pilots of the time had to do. This is what is being simulated; the conditions of the battle, and the planes that were there.

 

well then lets simulate the conditions in tru. Give 262 to novicers and NOT to he Aces .....

which is what we have on servers.

 

second: The video. Yes, P47 is possible to get down 262. 

BUT I am talking about server with ICONS. Thats mean, that 262 still know that you are up and diving on it.

From 20 attempts of diving in 750 KM/h to the 262 in level flight, you are lucky only in maximum 1 case.

 

 

Just come some of you to the EU server and make your own experience when flying for Allies and 262 around.

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

You should head over to the multiplayer server section of the forum and complain there mate.

This has nothing to do with the game, but everything with your favorite server.

Edited July 21, 2019 by =EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand

[-250H-Ursus_]

This was a little bit unnecesary taking in consideration the owners of the servers decide if add the 262 to the planeset.

 

I know you are upset of the german bias release order but this is way to much

[Barnacles]

On 7/18/2019 at 6:46 PM, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

 And its damage model is truly impressive. Huge amount of hits makes just the fuel smoking line behind the plane....

 

 

 

Yep, it's hard to get a hit on one, and when you do, it flies on like nothing. Very frustrating.

[HR_Tumu]

3 IAP 

 

go easy mate...  

 

Solution is simply, dont play this kind of  servers.

[=[TIA]=I-Fly-Central]

On 7/21/2019 at 12:24 PM, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

 

well then lets simulate the conditions in tru. Give 262 to novicers and NOT to he Aces .....

which is what we have on servers.

 

You must be joking? The 262 was flow by many of Germany's top Aces. Does the name Adolf Galland ring a bell? How about Kurt Welter? Many big names flew the 262. Not all 262 pilots were aces, but there were a good number of aces flying them. 

 

So when people Like Scharfi, or Sheriff, or me choose to fly the 262; the ratio of Experten to novices in the plane is not disproportionate.

[[_FLAPS_]Grim]

Galland collected aces to form up one of the first 262 units...

[CUJO_1970]

And so it begins.

On 7/18/2019 at 1:46 PM, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

thanks that you gave germans such superior plane and left allies without proper antiweapon.

 

Yeah - that was the actual Germans that did that and not the developers IIRC.

[RedKestrel]

The 262 is a tough nut to crack. And it was also a rare sight in the late war. That's why most server owners have restricted it's availability. In contrast to this thread, I'm seeing a lot of people complaining about the lack of availability of the 262 online. 

Ultimately servers with icons are going to nullify a huge factor in WWII combat, which is spotting your enemy. if you don't have to see the enemy, and you can see through walls to see the icons, then in a faster, higher flying plane you're basically invincible. But that's an argument to not use icons, not an argument to not develop the 262.

[JG27*PapaFly]

On 7/18/2019 at 7:46 PM, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

Dear developers,

 

thanks that you gave germans such superior plane and left allies without proper antiweapon. 

Vasilij is right in his assessment of the 262. I fly on that server exclusively and when my squad is on there's an absolute carnage. But IMO it's not the plane's fault. The 262 was the plane that put an end to piston engined fighters. After the war it sparked a revolution in aircraft design. There never was an "antiweapon" during the war.

 

However, the problem lies on the side of the server admins. I've discussed this issue with my squad mates and we'd actually like to see a mix of early and late war missions. I'd limit the 262 numbers, but allow the true survivers who bring the bird home safe and sound to use it again on the next sortie.

 

One other thing are tactics. IMO The vast majority of red pilots on EU official are either totally disorganized, or else ineffective as a team. In order to beat the 262 you must apply great team tactics and outsmart the jet driver. My squad has worked hard and had totally dominated the arena during the long months during which the majority of reds flew spitfires. Back then, our 190A5 had only one advantage over the Spits: a slightly higher level speed, and only for 5 minute.

 

[Snap_Roller]

I had a prodigious grin on my face when I found out about these treads about the 262 in EU1CGS.  I knew the exploits I pulled off in that server had to affect people, after all you are not bots like in 1946. When you said “some of them” like to vulch I was like “he’s talking about me he’s talking about me!”. But ATA assessment is right. It’s highly maneuverable, can take battle damage good enough when flown by the numbers ( And my secret to put out fires and still run it hot is still classified) and it’s very punishing to aircraft in its sights. With off angle set ups and some trim missing the shot is a lot more mental then physical, with me wishing to conserve ammo being the limiting factor. 
 

Besides the 1st response which is 1/2 true the rest just don’t get it. ATA is right, I would love to see them join and test their mantras. People who don’t play much in the server always type in chat “jUSt TuRn thE 262 cAnT hit yoU” and that’s the kills I spend more ammo on as I pride myself on those. They typically leave right after the burst. And back to the first response, ATA himself as done very well at surviving with what he has, it’s just not a counter and with ICONs and the ability to spectate other planes in prolonged fights it makes the unfair advantage very unfair

 

I can tell you from experience if I set up a long dive in the 950kph region and I end up at your level if you don’t then turn hard a click away I can almost always hit you no matter what you do, your just too slow. 

 

Now the tables have turned and even causal allies players now are a lot more coordinated and even if one of them die to a 262 they can still get the bombs on target.....most of the time. Heck I got cocky around you once ATA and you punished me for it.  I flew with a wingman that was decent for the first time a few days ago and the potential is still there for allied disaster. If the 262s get in a situation to attack groups of allies in their lines forcing them to turn unmolested, the ICONs on the map plus the 262 thirst syndrome make it so a swarm of axis planes come in and push them back in their own spawn with a 262 being able to punish the weak links. Like in the other tread I saw even in a even situation a few 262s on the EU server with spectate + map icons allow the jets to be a huge force multiplier “going around the map killing distracted planes” or getting

/ forcing planes distracted and letting the team punish them. 

People are used to playing against me but I play on a friends account and still can flip energy traps.

 

This is an example of a average game, sometimes I get lucky and that’s when I do admittedly feel some sympathy. 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2021 by Capt-Sucio

[Tonester]

Im a bit late to the party but all i can say is the OP needs to man up and come fly in an ‘adults’ server that doesnt have icons…sooky lala

 

Edited June 12, 2021 by Tonester

[Snap_Roller]

Well the EU 1CGS server is a lot of fun with a active player base and fun and unique game modes. The ICONs on that server are great for a casual experience and the practice I for example get flying the 262 there has trickle down effects of me being able to score 1-2 kills in the 262 on a “real” server without dying. As I’ve countless times seen it all and even if it’s not a triple ace in a flight the experience from that allows me to be effective in “real” servers.