What's next after BOBP? Your prediction.

[Trooper117]

They can't keep putting out ''it has to have 10 planes''... that is not a realistic expectation.

There will come a stage when most of the main types have been exhausted, in some areas we are getting close to that now.

Plus there is a reason why we get the aircraft that we do, and that is because they have managed to get hold of the relevant and required detailed information that they need to present them.

There will come a stage when we will get maps for a particular battle and theatre, but we already have most of the main types to fight there... so perhaps only 3 or 4 aircraft may come with it, or even less... but regardless, fans of the series will buy. It's a given  

[Feathered_IV]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

but regardless, fans of the series will buy. It's a given  

 

Hey I'm a fan, but I haven't bought anything in almost two years.  I'll wait until the SP gameplay gets sorted out.  If it never does I'll have saved myself $418 and counting.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Feathered_IV

[Lusekofte]

My god I hope the Korea guess dont affect devs decision

It would be a tragedy if the only live and sound WW2 sim leave that theatre. 

 

[CountZero]

They dont have to level ww2 to make korea if ppl wont it. They just did 3xDLC at same time tank, ww1 and ww2, so they can do it again and just add korea ww2 and tanks or ww1(what ever is more popular out of two ). And you expand player base even more by getting jet fans, korea is still guns df and not guided missiles so its good overlap betwen jet fans and ww2 ones. To me ww2 looks most popular so it wuould be stupid to not do any ww2 dlc for 2 years.

[simfan2015]

Korea ?

Interesting ... but ...

That will become more like science fiction ... war fought in another dimension.

The North Korean Airforce was no real match for the Allies AFAIK !?

The Russian/European theathres we have until now were worth the fighting ... there is some change the other side might win or ... have won the battles.

But who knows ... in another dimension the N-Koreans might have more than 5 planes capable of defeating the allies !?

 

[Gambit21]

4 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

 

Not sure if anyone's mentioned it, but how about Soviet-Japanese clashes in 1930s? The most famous is Khalkhin Gol, but I think there was also action earlier over Manchuria. And there's the  Second Sino-Japanese War.

 

Or Spanish Civil War. But I digest--I'll buy it, whatever it is.

 

Add in the

 

They need to produce a product that’s marketable. We’re already a niche, within a niche, within a niche, within a niche. Now add an obscure theater with aircraft few have heard of and market share plummets below the floor boards.

 

There was some psychotic railing in another thread a few months ago when I mentioned these things regarding Manchuria etc. 

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

Korea ?

Interesting ... but ...

That will become more like science fiction ... war fought in another dimension.

The North Korean Airforce was no real match for the Allies AFAIK !?

The Russian/European theathres we have until now were worth the fighting ... there is some change the other side might win or ... have won the battles.

But who knows ... in another dimension the N-Koreans might have more than 5 planes capable of defeating the allies !?

 

lol how can axis win in bobp ? did they even have any airplanes when you compare it what allieds had ? only in video game you can belive its fair fight when one side gets prototypes and with no limits

and early on in Korea you had mig 15s kicking ass of UN airforce and having whle korea peninsula under thier control, then usa had to use their most advanced stuff.

you can do late war 1952/53 where frontline was static most of time and no need for big bombers as they switched to night attacks, migs in china and sabers and panthers, thats basicly what most think about korea, mig ally and dams or bridges bombings, they can even ditch 5v5 dlc and just do 2-3 (Mig-15, Tu-2 La9 ) for korea side and most for UN side (F-86s, F-84s, F9Fs, F4Us, A-26s, Meteor F.8s, SeaFurys ...).

Edited September 19, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[cardboard_killer]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

They need to produce a product that’s marketable.

 

I think the real limitation of any future expansion is how close enemy airdromes are. No one want to fly 1-2+ hours realtime to get into a fight, get shot down (or not and have to fly back for the next one to two hours), then respawn at the airdrome and have to fly another 1-2+ hours to get back into the fight.

[Gambit21]

True enough - which causes me to scoff a bit at the “we need the B17!!!” people.

[CountZero]

most just wont them as AI targets, i doubt there would be many who wont B-17 or similar long rage bomber to fly long range bomb runs. And online it would mostly be used for solo low level pinpoint one bomb at time attacks, and nothing like big formations one wold expect.

[simfan2015]

@77.CountZero,

OK I stand corrected if you (and most other members it seems) think it would be a fair fight.

My main fear with Korea is that 1C might not get to the 5 'Korean-worthy' planes they used to supply for a certain release (?).

I am not that familiar with the Korean War but really thought the Allied Air Superiority was there for most of the war.

I do hope I am wrong and that 1C can make a great GB release(s) out of the Korean War era !

 

Regards,

Stefaan 

 

Edited September 19, 2019 by simfan2015

[Lusekofte]

29 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

They need to produce a product that’s marketable. We’re already a niche, within a niche, within a niche, within a niche. Now add an obscure theater with aircraft few have heard of and market share plummets below the floor boards.

 

There was some psychotic railing in another thread a few months ago when I mentioned these things regarding Manchuria etc. 

With this doctrine in mind would Winterwar and continuation war be of same small interest?

[ww2fighter20]

2 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

 

I think the real limitation of any future expansion is how close enemy airdromes are. No one want to fly 1-2+ hours realtime to get into a fight, get shot down (or not and have to fly back for the next one to two hours), then respawn at the airdrome and have to fly another 1-2+ hours to get back into the fight.

 

There could be solutions to this, for example some people have suggested reducing the land/ocean distance, air spawnpoints, main map split up in 2 where when you reach the map border of map 1 you spawn at the mapborder of map 2.

 

Best solution in my opinion would be making an feature like portal waypoints, basically when you reach waypoint 1 your entire flight get's moved forward to waypoint 2, it might even be possible to code this where the worldtime get's advanced and fuel reduced depending on how much fuel and time it would have taken in real time, you might even be able to make this an choosable option when reaching the waypoint so people that actually want to fly all the way can do so.

Edited September 19, 2019 by ww2fighter20

[cardboard_killer]

57 minutes ago, ww2fighter20 said:

Best solution in my opinion would be making an feature like portal waypoints, basically when you reach waypoint 1 your entire flight get's moved forward to waypoint 2,

 

You'll have people camping at waypoints for planes to materialize in midair.

[Rei-sen]

It appears that WT is so niche within a niche (repeat x times) then. They have a lot of those "obscure" planes that very few people know about, must've been bankrupt by now.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Arthur-A said:

It appears that WT is so niche within a niche (repeat x times) then. They have a lot of those "obscure" planes that very few people know about, must've been bankrupt by now.

 

Says the guy who apparently lacks any understanding of the disparate business models of the two products in question.

 

 

 

 

 

Please describe how WT offering those aircraft and how sales of such planes relates to it's business model, vs BoS creating similar aircraft (and a theater/full release to go along with them) and how it relates to it's business model, and how they are apparently analogous.

 

Go

[Rei-sen]

5 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Says the guy who apparently lacks any understanding of the disparate business models of the two products in question.

I am truly amazed that you have an understanding without even being a development team member. Hats off.

 

5 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Go

Wow, you can take that commanding tone elsewhere. Ain't gonna work.

[Danziger]

Yak-9. Hurricane. I smell another Eastern Front battle! It would be nice to have a late battle in the east to finish off the campaign. Also for the later planes as well.

[Lusekofte]

Honestly. There are so much left to desire in east front. That I hope its not going to be abandoned forever. 

I hope they can go to Guinea or Burma , leave the idea of Korea all together. 

Personally I rather have that in DCS. I do not think the Mig 15 module in DCS can be countered by this dev team. 

It is one of DCS finest. I believe a expantion of west Europe is most likely, but I hope not

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

PACIFIC PLEASE!!!

 

[Gambit21]

7 hours ago, Arthur-A said:

I am truly amazed that you have an understanding without even being a development team member. Hats off.

 

Wow, you can take that commanding tone elsewhere. Ain't gonna work.

 

 

That’s  what I thought 

Hint - comparing business models has nothing to do with being a Dev.

[cardboard_killer]

I don't want to start an internecine war, but I really, really think Tunisia is the right place to expand. I know it won't happen due to CLoD (which I also own and will buy the new version), but Tunisia hits all the right notes--new varied nationality aircraft (Italian, French, American, British) with a base of aircraft already (Spitfire V/IX, Bf-109F/G, Fw-190-A3/4, Mc 202, A-20, Ju-88, He-111, Hs-129, P-40F), with close proximity airdromes, lots of water to make mapwork a bit easier (than BoBP anyway).

[Gambit21]

I'm largely ignorant about that theater...except for the blaring weakness of more 109/190 vs X which the product is suffering fatigue from at this point.

Needs to be a change-up...which is what PTO offers.

[cardboard_killer]

55 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

I'm largely ignorant about that theater...except for the blaring weakness of more 109/190 vs X which the product is suffering fatigue from at this point.

Needs to be a change-up...which is what PTO offers.

 

You won't find a bigger fan of PTO than me, and I think that's where it's headed. Just pointing out the biggest sticking point that I see with PTO (and carriers/ship design, too, but I think that is "just" a matter of work, while distance between airdromes is structural to the history).

 

Having said that, Tunisia would mostly be Bf-109-G2/4s with some few Fw-190A4s and MC 202s against Spitfire Vs/IXs, P-40F/Ls, P-38 J/Ks, with some Hurribombers. New planes could be Italian, along with Beaufighter and new flavors of the P-38/P-40. The Dewoitine D.520 would be a fun bonus plane.

[AWC]

I am seriously surprised to see that so many people think they will go to Korea after Bodenplatte. I believe this theatre is inevitable, but even considering the jet physics groundwork done so far, Korea doesn't seem an obvious next choice to me. The Pacific is most likely next, and if not this, possibly Russia or maybe even Italy. Midway or the Coral Sea are two great scenarios to move forward with, the only thing that would stop the devs being lack of information or over-ambition in terms of resources. If we disregard the possible overlap with CloD, Italy is ideal as it incorporates naval warfare on a smaller scale than the Pacific. Russia is always a solid fallback option as they have many Russian customers and many untouched Soviet-German expansions, including some with naval warfare. 

 

PLUS, is this not a WWII simulator that still hasn't covered many theatres of WWII? To me this discredits the Korean War until WWII has been done sufficiently.

Edited September 21, 2019 by Lemsip

[InProgress]

It's going to be Poland or some of Poland and some of Germany. I have really strong feeling about it.

 

2 hours ago, Lemsip said:

I am seriously surprised to see that so many people think they will go to Korea after Bodenplatte.

That whole Korea thing came up because we got 1 jet. Now bunch of people thinks that's a sign of Korea because it has jets too. I doubt it would sell well, it would be huge risk. Many got il2 because ww2. No one makes games about Korea because no one really cares about it. While i am happy to buy everything even if i don't fly soviets but i got all premium planes. I would not touch Korea. And i think there is a lot of people like this (it feels like 50-50, some wants it some really hate this idea, not good sign to make it if people are splt like this). It's not ww2, it's completly diffrent thing and not what people got into this sim for. I really hope for some special ww2 stuff that we know existed but is not well represented. Hungary, Romania, Poland, Latvia (Courland Pocket) etc.

2 hours ago, Lemsip said:

If we disregard the possible overlap with CloD, Italy is ideal as it incorporates naval warfare on a smaller scale than the Pacific.

Clod does not even have Italy, so what's there to disregard? They are doing Africa and progressing channel map. Italy was never even considered there. Even if, before that would happend, they will most likely do Syria, Malta and Tunis first.

Edited September 21, 2019 by InProgress

[simfan2015]

@InProgress "No one makes games about Korea because no one really cares about it."

AFAIK that sums it up quite well.

They have to sell it.

I personally doubt people in the EU or Russia are waiting for this.

PTO is more popular I guess, but also especially for people in the US (same goes for Korea).

Dunno how well IL-2 GB sold across the globe but I do know that, indeed, to be willing to buy a game/sim caring about it surely is important.

[DD_Arthur]

5 hours ago, Lemsip said:

Italy is ideal as it incorporates naval warfare on a smaller scale than the Pacific.

 

Agree completely.

[CountZero]

So for example if PTO is no go as they cant get historical info on japan stuff, then landings at salerno gives carrier options with airplanes that are easy reserched Martlets Seafires, so ppl wonting some carrier action get that in interesting enviroment. And you avoid another 2x109+2x190 dlc as you can have italian fighters and bombers, and thats still timeline where there was some heated air fights on both sides, and room is left for clod to do el alamain, sicily+malta or tunisia as thouse are most probable and avilable for them to do next when you look their timeline after mid 1942 med.

 

On 9/20/2019 at 1:05 PM, Danziger said:

Yak-9. Hurricane. I smell another Eastern Front battle! It would be nice to have a late battle in the east to finish off the campaign. Also for the later planes as well.

They would not go for Yak9s if next DLC is another east front, then you would make west front collector airplanes that fit bobp map. So you give both camps something to buy. If yak9s are next collectable airplanes then next DLC is not another east front.

 

"That whole Korea thing came up because we got 1 jet. Now bunch of people thinks that's a sign of Korea because it has jets too. I doubt it would sell well, it would be huge risk. Many got il2 because ww2. No one makes games about Korea because no one really cares about it. While i am happy to buy everything even if i don't fly soviets but i got all premium planes. I would not touch Korea. And i think there is a lot of people like this (it feels like 50-50, some wants it some really hate this idea, not good sign to make it if people are splt like this). It's not ww2, it's completly diffrent thing and not what people got into this sim for. I really hope for some special ww2 stuff that we know existed but is not well represented. Hungary, Romania, Poland, Latvia (Courland Pocket) etc."

 

You make Korea to expand player base, and dont stop making WW2 stuff at same time, same as they make tanks and ww1 DLC to expand player base, ppl who buy thouse may buy ww2 stuff also and vice versa. They can do same with Korea and give jet vs jet fights, me262 is just one jet vs props, its like clubing baby seals no one wonts to play when its on server and you dont have it on it, while on Korea you have two main competent jet oponents each with its strenghts and flaws, and you get jet only ppl in club, and if they like it they can buy other stuff. If they cater only to one aspect of ww2 like for example east front , they would be gone after kuban and we would be playing WT or DCS now. For me i would not even bather to check the game if they didnt anounced PTO back in 2016/17, or even bather to buy BoM or BoK if they didnt start to make BoBp. For me making ww2 and korea dlc at same time makes sence as next step, its just question of could they make that mutch stuff in 2 years.

Edited September 21, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[Lusekofte]

I will buy pretty much anything except Korea. 

I firmly believe that theatre will diverse the few online flyers there are. 

A expansion of late west Europe without bombers is also a pack of no interest for me. 

I agree a PTO scenario is pretty obvious way to go. If they can. It will bring something different. 

If a carrierbased battle is out of the question we can fight IJA with Beufighters , p39, hurricanes A 20 G’s B25 p40’s I am not picky

[InProgress]

5 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

You make Korea to expand player base, and dont stop making WW2 stuff at same time, same as they make tanks and ww1 DLC to expand player base, ppl who buy thouse may buy ww2 stuff also and vice versa.

There is no people to expand it to. There is a reason why no one makes games about certain events. You really think there are people who are waiting for korea fly sim so devs can recruit them into il2? It's just silly. Ww1 and tanks make sense, there is a lot of people who like ww1 (it's rise of flight remake after all) and a lot of people who like tanks over planes. But there is no big group of korean war fans. This expansion would be waste of time and financial fail. Only ones who want it are here as part of community. But problem is there is other part that will refuse to buy it even as sign of support. They don't want to leave ww2. 

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by InProgress

[Trooper117]

It's Korea... the writing has been on the wall for some time.

When you have Jason telling Froogle that he wants to do it, knowing that the interview will be seen by thousands of fans... it's a big hint.

Han has stated he wants to do it as well. Plus, don't forget the Russian forums... they love their Mig 15's, and can't wait to shoot down Yankee Imperialists over the Yalu!

[Redwo1f]

19 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

It's Korea... the writing has been on the wall for some time.

When you have Jason telling Froogle that he wants to do it, knowing that the interview will be seen by thousands of fans... it's a big hint.

Han has stated he wants to do it as well. Plus, don't forget the Russian forums... they love their Mig 15's, and can't wait to shoot down Yankee Imperialists over the Yalu!

 

Simply commenting that it would be fun to do in a interview does NOT indicate that it is impending. Wayyyyy too many people, just took that comment as being indicative of their next release and ran with it, lol.  It may likely be done in the future at some point. Also please read Jason's recent response in the now locked what's next thread and tell me that it isn't going to be WW2 next.

[ITAF_Rani]

If Korea....the end of IL2 for me, simply not interested to a scenario different from ww2.

 

[AWC]

23 hours ago, InProgress said:

It's going to be Poland or some of Poland and some of Germany. I have really strong feeling about it.

 

That whole Korea thing came up because we got 1 jet. Now bunch of people thinks that's a sign of Korea because it has jets too. I doubt it would sell well, it would be huge risk. Many got il2 because ww2. No one makes games about Korea because no one really cares about it. While i am happy to buy everything even if i don't fly soviets but i got all premium planes. I would not touch Korea. And i think there is a lot of people like this (it feels like 50-50, some wants it some really hate this idea, not good sign to make it if people are splt like this). It's not ww2, it's completly diffrent thing and not what people got into this sim for. I really hope for some special ww2 stuff that we know existed but is not well represented. Hungary, Romania, Poland, Latvia (Courland Pocket) etc.

Clod does not even have Italy, so what's there to disregard? They are doing Africa and progressing channel map. Italy was never even considered there. Even if, before that would happend, they will most likely do Syria, Malta and Tunis first.

 

You're right that currently there isn't an overlap with CloD and BoX in Italy. However, if TF has success with update 5.0 in Africa, Italy or the Mediterranean is considered for update 6.0. Hopefully they don't so BoX can do an expansion there.

[InProgress]

11 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

It's Korea... the writing has been on the wall for some time.

When you have Jason telling Froogle that he wants to do it, knowing that the interview will be seen by thousands of fans... it's a big hint.

Han has stated he wants to do it as well. Plus, don't forget the Russian forums... they love their Mig 15's, and can't wait to shoot down Yankee Imperialists over the Yalu!

He also said he would want to do Mediterrarian, Pacific or other stuff. Why would it be Korea then? Pool on russian forum showed that 50% wanted east front expansion. They don't seem to care much about Korea, just like most people. Korea has also a lot of enemies, people here speak openly about not buying it, while they would buy anything in ww2. Kora is simply unwanted by too many people, it would be horrible idea to make it.

 

24 minutes ago, Lemsip said:

You're right that currently there isn't an overlap with CloD and BoX in Italy. However, if TF has success with update 5.0 in Africa, Italy or the Mediterranean is considered for update 6.0. Hopefully they don't so BoX can do an expansion there.

Hopefully they do so BoX can't do an expansion there.

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

If Korea....the end of IL2 for me, simply not interested to a scenario different from ww2.

 

 

Oh the tragedy !... C'mon mate life isn't that bad.

I would rather stay in WWII like you, but if it does turn out to be Korea, there will still be other WWII series to follow.

I said in a much earlier post it was likely to be Korea or another Eastern Front theatre, and I'm not a massive fan of that either, but I won't just give up on the game if I don't get what I would like...

Plus, I have many other great combat flight sims that I still play, and will continue to play alongside IL2 GB.

[ITAF_Rani]

I play only IL2 GB...hope it will be focused on ww2.

Love this damned SIM?

Edited September 22, 2019 by ITAF_Rani

[ST_ami7b5]

Korea would be the first GB module I wouldn't buy...

[cardboard_killer]

I want it all. But no package is going to satisfy everyone. But no package should put people off playing the packages they like now, either.

 

My Super Want List in order of preference:

1. PTO
   1. Guadalcanal/New Guinea
   2. Carrier actions
   3. Burma/Malaya
   4. Early Philippines
   5. China/Russia vs Japan pre-1940
2. MTO
   1. Tunisia
   2. Western Desert
   3. Sicily/Malta
   4. Italy
3. ETO
   1. Great Patriotic War
      1. Leningrad, 1941-43
      2. Op Bagration
      3.  
   2. WAllies (I don't not care about high altitude four engine bombers, which ranks at the bottom of this list after Korea)
      1. France 1940-42
      2. Normandy, if the Germans had more planes
4. Spanish Civil War
5. Korea