Rift S and GTX1080

[Dakpilot]

I have read most of the topics regarding info on this combo, but in the many threads am not sure if I have found what I am looking for so rather than clog up other threads I start a new one. 

 

I have a slight possibility of " investing" some money, my current hardware is 9600k and GTX1080, I could possibly get a Rift S but not update the 1080 for quite a (very long) while. 

 

I feel that the rift s is the only current option (cost) which could work with the 1080 but will the performance be acceptable especially considering the rather large (for me) spend on the VR headset itself. 

 

So does anyone have experience of GTX1080 with the Rift S

 

My CPU should run at 5.2ghz and ram is 16gb 3200 cas 14 so this part (should?) be OK. 

 

Basically I don't want to spend a lot on the headset to find I  need to upgrade GPU which I just won't be able to do

 

I know it is very subjective (but I am sure  I would be fussy on a sub par experience) but advice and thoughts on my very tentative plan will be  appreciated 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Velxra]

I would suggest to the get the newer video card for now. The prices of video cards have been fixed for a long time thanks to bitcoin mining. (though the market crashed so maybe that will no longer be true anymore). The rift will likely be cheaper in the future versus the video card in the future. Plus you can sell your old 1080 for a profit return.

[Dakpilot]

4 minutes ago, Geronimo553 said:

I would suggest to the get the newer video card for now. The prices of video cards have been fixed for a long time thanks to bitcoin mining. (though the market crashed so maybe that will no longer be true anymore). The rift will likely be cheaper in the future versus the video card in the future. Plus you can sell your old 1080 for a profit return.

 

GTX1080 is pretty much acceptable for running IL-2 on a monitor, I am sure I would see little/no performance benefit on spending a huge amount of money on a 2080ti or even 2080, I really don't see the point in your advice,  with bitcoin crash, resale of 1080 is at an all time low and new 2080 series at an all time high... You have also made very clear your opinion of VR being currently no different (or worse) than trackir.. 

 

I was rather hoping for replies relating to experience with VR specifically Rift S and 1080 

 

But thanks for your time

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Velxra]

17 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

 

GTX1080 is pretty much acceptable for running IL-2 on a monitor, I am sure I would see little/no performance benefit on spending a huge amount of money on a 2080ti or even 2080, I really don't see the point in your advice,  with bitcoin crash, resale of 1080 is at an all time low and new 2080 series at an all time high... You have also made very clear your opinion of VR being currently no different (or worse) than trackir.. 

 

 

Then you have already answered your own question if you should buy a rift s or a video card, congrats. Hopefully someone else can answer your second question regarding how the rift s performs with a 1080. 

[dburne]

31 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

I have read most of the topics regarding info on this combo, but in the many threads am not sure if I have found what I am looking for so rather than clog up other threads I start a new one. 

 

I have a slight possibility of " investing" some money, my current hardware is 9600k and GTX1080, I could possibly get a Rift S but not update the 1080 for quite a (very long) while. 

 

I feel that the rift s is the only current option (cost) which could work with the 1080 but will the performance be acceptable especially considering the rather large (for me) spend on the VR headset itself. 

 

So does anyone have experience of GTX1080 with the Rift S

 

My CPU should run at 5.2ghz and ram is 16gb 3200 cas 14 so this part (should?) be OK. 

 

Basically I don't want to spend a lot on the headset to find I  need to upgrade GPU which I just won't be able to do

 

I know it is very subjective (but I am sure  I would be fussy on a sub par experience) but advice and thoughts on my very tentative plan will be  appreciated 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

 

You would very likely be fine. Keep in mind VR experience is very subjective also, some guys are perfectly fine running lower fps in VR, others may not be.

My only experience in VR and graphics cards are between 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti. There is not that much benefit of 2080 Ti over 1080 Ti, certainly not enough to justify the 

cost of the 2080 card. I would imagine the same would hold true for 1080 versus 2080. I was very happy with VR and my Rift CV1 running 45 fps and higher with High graphics settings - put a lot of hours in IL-2 with that setup. Actually on second thought, I did start VR out with a regular 1080 and later upgraded to 1080 Ti. It was an improvement but not a big improvement IIRC.

 

I saw very little improvement going from 1080 Ti to 2080 Ti on my I7 4820k rig @ 4.5 GHz with ddr3 ram, but building the new rig with an i9 chip at 5.1 GHz and DDR4 ram with the same 2080 Ti I saw a huge difference.

Also regarding the Rift S versus Rift CV1 - Rift S is much better in image clarity, without the cost of a big hit on performance - due to the Rift S running at

80 Hz versus Rift CV1 at 90 Hz.  I found performance between the two about the same. I did not need to lower any GFX settings for the Rift S. I now have several hours in my Rift S and am enjoying the experience very much. I can run IL-2 at Ultra graphics settings and maintain 70-80 fps with no sweat.

 

One thing I would note on the Rift S, the audio strap is not good imho. I actually prefer earbuds anyway, I got a set of Klipsch R6 II earbuds and the sound is fantastic. Thankfully Oculus included a headphone jack in the Rift S.

If you care about good audio, you will want to do the same either with earbuds or headphones that will fit over the Halo design of the Rift S. The built in mic seems to work

fine for me - although I don't use it as often as say a multiplayer guy would. I do use it for wingmen commands with no problem.

 

Ideally it would be good if you could purchase the Rift S from a retailer that will take back returns for money back if not happy, like Amazon, due to the subjective nature of VR. Most seem to love it when getting into it, however some not so much.

[DD_Arthur]

For what it's worth I'm running both BoX and DCS very happily on my ebay Rift CV1 with an overclocked Intel i7 3930k and an rtx2070. 

I also have a couple of squadmates running the Rift S on 1070ti's with no problems too.

 

None of us have a cpu approaching what you've got Dak so I can't see you having any problems.   

 

The advice and recommedations of the VR guys on these boards has been extremely useful in the set up and running of my system in VR. 

We've also been running OpenComposite;

 

https://gitlab.com/znixian/OpenOVR

 

So we can do without Steam VR to run BoX and this has made a useful performance difference too.

 

 

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

For what it's worth I'm running both BoX and DCS very happily on my ebay Rift CV1 with an overclocked Intel i7 3930k and an rtx2070. 

I also have a couple of squadmates running the Rift S on 1070ti's with no problems too.

 

None of us have a cpu approaching what you've got Dak so I can't see you having any problems.   

 

The advice and recommedations of the VR guys on these boards has been extremely useful in the set up and running of my system in VR. 

We've also been running OpenComposite;

 

https://gitlab.com/znixian/OpenOVR

 

So we can do without Steam VR to run BoX and this has made a useful performance difference too.

 

 

 

Indeed - I certainly gained in performance using Open Composite versus Steam VR.

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

I am currently using Rift S on I7 9700K stock speeds , so around 4.6 Ghz and GTX 1080 also stock.

 

IL-2 is playable and looks good. It all depends on the scenario you will be playing.

 

Same graphics settings give me for example:

 

80fps in quick mission with around 8 planes.

 

80fps on Berloga dogfight.

 

40fps on Wings of Liberty

 

40fps on scripted campaigns, but these are quite heavy.

 

I still have more tinkering to do to get the best visuals/performance balance.

 

You would have to tell us how you play your IL-2, multi or single. If single how complex missions etc.

 

1080 will work with Rift S , with graphics that are acceptable for me but I can't get steady 80fps in a busy online or single map.

 

So for it's worth, you will I am able to fly around and have some fun in quick missions and Berloga but that's it. 

 

Rift S is great first VR headset and there is more fun to have with it than playing IL-2.

 

I am happy i bought it and now I will start saving for new GPU to get most out of it.

 

 

 

[A_radek]

Dakpilot you’ll be fine. With a 5.2 cpu you have the grunt needed for complex scenarios and the 1080 will cope fine with the rift S resolution. It’s more a question of how much supersampling you’ll want to/can run. 

[Lensman1945]

2 hours ago, SvAF/F16_radek said:

Dakpilot you’ll be fine. With a 5.2 cpu you have the grunt needed for complex scenarios and the 1080 will cope fine with the rift S resolution. It’s more a question of how much supersampling you’ll want to/can run. 

Indeed, and the Rift S looks gorgeous even without ss

[Dakpilot]

Thanks very much for all the replies/info! 

 

Just to be crystal clear (as I obviously wasn't) the thread was never meant to be about 'buy Rift S  OR upgrade GPU' 

 

@ dburne,  did you ever use the 1080ti on the new 9900K rig?. 

 

You have all given me serious food for thought. 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[dburne]

4 hours ago, Dakpilot said:

Thanks very much for all the replies/info! 

 

Just to be crystal clear (as I obviously wasn't) the thread was never meant to be about 'buy Rift S  OR upgrade GPU' 

 

@ dburne,  did you ever use the 1080ti on the new 9900K rig?. 

 

You have all given me serious food for thought. 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

 

No, only the 2080 Ti on the 9900k build.

[Alonzo]

Dak, a number of my squad mates are running a Rift S with a 1080 and are happy with it as an upgrade over the CV1. The clarity is a good upgrade. You can’t really run more than 1.1 pixel density but that’s ok, that’s how I run the S with a 2080.

[Dakpilot]

Thanks for the info

 

As someone who has never used VR  would it be possible to explain 1.1 pixel density with regards to rift s  in layman terms. 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[A_radek]

In Vr circles pixel density or super sampling often refers to the same thing: rendering an image with a larger resolution than that of your vr devices screens and then downscaling prior to showing it.

 

The benefit of doing this is a crisper image with less flickering. Antialiasing won’t be as intrusive to details when it has more pixels/info to work with and same goes for texture filtering. It even ads a degree of antialiasing and de-flickering on it’s own as the downscaling resamples the image.

 

The caveat is that il2 renders distant contacts as dots, sized according to the resolution you are running the game in. An attempt to make them equally visible on different resolution monitors. This works against you when supersampling so for competitive multiplayer you do not want much of it.

 

Chili’s thread with numbers and examples:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/30771-how-much-ss-is-desirable-image-quality-samples/

[javelina]

See my sig for my specs.  Flying both BoX and DCS with an i7-9700k and GTX1080.  Have the 9700K OC to 4.9ghz on all cores.   This combo fly's great with the Rift S.  I'd like to upgrade the video card, but I think it's insane to pay $1,200-1,400 for the 2080ti.  I'll just hang tight with this GPU for now, until sanity returns to the GPU world, (which may be never).  ?

 

I also just switched to Open Composite.  It looks very promising!