Why does the parachute error still exist?

[Enceladus828]

In IL-2 1946 and IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, whenever the pilot (any nationality) bails out and parachutes into water (sea, lake, river, etc.), he lives most of the time. However, in IL-2 Great Battles, which is said to be the most realistic combat flight sim ever, the pilot sinks like a stone whenever he parachutes into water (lake, sea, river) and dies. For the Allied Bodenplatte aircraft, the pilots wear life jackets (which they've been wearing since Patch 3.007 was released November 2018), and yet even with life jackets, the pilots are still sinking like stones and dying when parachuting into water. In IL-2 Cliffs of Dover the pilot releases himself from the parachute a few meters above the water, lands in the water and very likely swims to the surface. In CloD there is the option for the pilot to wear a life jacket. I am a real world pilot and BY LAW, if a pilot flies a plane (small/light) over a good portion of water and is not within gliding distance of shore (Strait, channel, large bay, etc.), life jackets MUST be carried.

 

Back when there was just BOS and BOM, there wasn't much bodies of water so it wasn't that necessary. But now with the Kuban map which contains a good portion of the Black Sea where you attack ships, this error can no longer be accepted and is now somewhat humiliating.

In the recent past we have seen lots of great content in updates 2.012, 3.001, 3.002, 3.006, 3.008 which contained many fixes/additions/changes; and in none of them (2.012, 3.001, 3.002 is when this issue should have been fixed) did the parachute error when parachuting into water get fixed. Man, if this is still happening when the PTO comes out, there's probably going to be complaints about this.

 

If this is not an issue in IL-2 1946 and Cliffs of Dover (1st and 2nd generation of IL-2 series), then why is this an issue in IL-2 Great Battles which is the 3rd generation and has been in development since 2012, and is said to be the most realistic combat flight sim ever?

Edited October 4, 2019 by Novice-Flyer

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

what if they just cant swim?  

 

As for the life jackets I think that's just yellow cloth, Milo from M&M Enterprises had a great deal going down in Egypt for cotton, needed to trade the rubber life vests to acquire it.

[RedKestrel]

26 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

In IL-2 1946 and IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, whenever the pilot (any nationality) bails out and parachutes into water (sea, lake, river, etc.), he lives. However, in IL-2 Great Battles, which is said to be the most realistic combat flight sim ever, the pilot sinks like a stone whenever he parachutes into water (lake, sea, river) and dies. For the Allied Bodenplatte aircraft, the pilots wear life jackets (which they've been wearing since Patch 3.007 was released November 2018), and yet even with life jackets, the pilots are still sinking like stones and dying when parachuting into water. In IL-2 Cliffs of Dover the pilot releases himself from the parachute a few meters above the water, lands in the water and very likely swims to the surface. In CloD there is the option for the pilot to wear a life jacket. I am a real world pilot and BY LAW, if a pilot flies a plane (small/light) over a good portion of water and is not within gliding distance of shore (Strait, channel, large bay, etc.), life jackets MUST be carried.

 

Back when there was just BOS and BOM, there wasn't much bodies of water so it wasn't that necessary. But now with the Kuban map which contains a good portion of the Black Sea where you attack ships, this error can no longer be accepted and is now somewhat humiliating.

In the recent past we have seen lots of great content in updates 2.012, 3.001, 3.002, 3.006, 3.008 which contained many fixes/additions/changes; and in none of them (2.012, 3.001, 3.002 is when this issue should have been fixed) did the parachute error when parachuting into water get fixed. Man, if this is still happening when the PTO comes out, there's probably going to be complaints about this.

 

If this is not an issue in IL-2 1946 and Cliffs of Dover (1st and 2nd generation of IL-2 series), then why is this an issue in IL-2 Great Battles which is the 3rd generation and has been in development since 2012, and is said to be the most realistic combat flight sim ever?

Because they have focused on other things they consider to be higher priority. Survival when bailing out over water was pretty minimal no matter what you wore and without dedicated Air Sea Rescue the rates were abysmal. 

[Enceladus828]

6 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Because they have focused on other things they consider to be higher priority. Survival when bailing out over water was pretty minimal no matter what you wore and without dedicated Air Sea Rescue the rates were abysmal. 

What if you parachuted into a lake, or river like the Volga in reality back in summer of 1942?

Re: In regards to Kuban, I think it's a priority.

Edited June 14, 2019 by Novice-Flyer

[MasserME262]

33 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

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most realistic combat flight sim ever

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you answered yourself with that. Its not a real life simulator.

[Velxra]

Ahemmm, life vests...


 

 

[RedKestrel]

10 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

What if you parachuted into a lake, or river like the Volga in reality back in summer of 1942?

Re: In regards to Kuban, I think it's a priority.

I honestly think a lot of the time those guys died. Really. The Volga is a big river and lakes even in summer are cold as balls in Places like Russia and Canada. If you hit the water in full flight gear after the strain of being shot down you’re not going to be the best swimmer. In any case it has little to no impact on my enjoyment of the sim.

 

The devs focus has been on flight modeling, new game modes, and new content. Things involving modeling of humans are generally less developed because you need specialized skills in rigging and animation to make human models movement look natural. The people they have for that are probably focused on Tank Crew, which will generate income. Maybe when they’re done they can work on something like this. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It’s because their pockets are loaded down with letters of complaints to the Devs.  No vest could support that kind of water logged weight.

[Velxra]

2 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

It’s because their pockets are loaded down with letters of complaints to the Devs.  No vest could support that kind of water logged weight.

 

Quite dire indeed

[Finkeren]

 

I would actually like to see the devs take a stab at having objects interact with water in a more realistic manner. Drowning pilots is just one small issue, there are others. 

 

A succesfully ditched aircraft should stay afloat for a considerable about of time. 

 

Tanks should be able to ford small streams or other shallow bodies of water safely - except of course for the Panther D ?

Edited June 14, 2019 by Finkeren

[Enceladus828]

Overall, I’d like to see pilots entering the water via parachute realistically, and then deal with the survival rate shortly after coming up to the surface. For example after parachuting into the water, you have an X percent chance of being rescued.

Edited June 14, 2019 by Novice-Flyer

[DD_Arthur]

4 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Overall, I’d like to see pilots entering the water via parachute realistically, and then deal with the survival rate shortly after coming up to the surface. For example after parachuting into the water, you have an X percent chance of being rescued.

 

Thats fair enough and I agree with you.  I'd like to see the bail out animation and the behaviour of objects interacting with water enhanced to.  

 

8 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

this error can no longer be accepted and is now somewhat humiliating.

 

Whether this is an 'error' would seem to be debatable but I'm intrigued that you find it 'humiliating'.

 

Do you often feel humiliated by a computer game? 

[Oyster_KAI]

add some rescue mission on U2 or Fi-156 will be good.

[Elem]

16 minutes ago, Oyster_KAI said:

add some rescue mission on U2 or Fi-156 will be good.

Now this is what we need for SAR missions...

 

Edited June 14, 2019 by Elem

[56RAF_Roblex]

9 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

In IL-2 1946 and IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, whenever the pilot (any nationality) bails out and parachutes into water (sea, lake, river, etc.), he lives.

 

I am afraid your opening sentence is completely wrong for CLoD.  For the RAF the odds were that you would die (about 2:1?).  Secondly, the game doubled the odds of survival for Axis players based on the fact that the LW had good ASR while in 1940 the RAF had none.  The Axis also had strategically placed floating sanctuaries for downed pilots to stay in until a boat could come out to them.   I have drowned ditching into the middle of a friendly naval convoy,  ditching 50yds off the beach & I have even drowned landing inland just because there was a river 50yds away and the game cannot recognise the difference between 'all water' & 'partial water' tiles (as told to me by a developer).

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

6 hours ago, Elem said:

Now this is what we need for SAR missions...

 

I did an entire thread on seaborne SAR. Though the title is Midway the possible mechanics regarding the tech and gameplay are discussed at length.

 

It can be found here:

 

 

[Enceladus828]

On 6/14/2019 at 2:39 AM, 56RAF_Roblex said:

In IL-2 1946 and IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, whenever the pilot (any nationality) bails out and parachutes into water (sea, lake, river, etc.), he lives.

 

On 6/14/2019 at 2:39 AM, 56RAF_Roblex said:

am afraid your opening sentence is completely wrong for CLoD. 

Yeah I guess I should rephrase that. I have noticed sometimes in CloD where the parachute fails to deploy and the pilot doesn’t surface when parachuting into the water.

Most of the times in CloD when the pilot parachutes into the water he surfaces.