BOS/Oculus Rift/Resolution/HZ

[JG27_Chivas]

Has the BOS development thought about including an option to run the Resolution higher than 60hz to say the 75hz level or higher that may be required atleast for the OR DK2 prototype?   Will the OR implementation have to wait for the BOS release version, or will it be out sooner during the testing process?

[Jason_Williams]

We'll worry about that when we get a DK2 unit in the office. We're not releasing any OR support until it is clear what the consumer version is or will be and we have our own units. Now with the FB buyout we're sure there will be changes to how they were doing things. There always is.

 

Jason

[DoWSiq6Six]

The FB Buyout.... Makes me so sad. What could FB bring to the Rift, really? I see them exploiting it instead. Abusing it to track your online activities so they can make $$ on your personal info.

 

But hey, here's to reshared Dos XX Stay Thirsty pics with retarded memes in 3D...

[clayman]

Ya, that's a real downer. Jaw hit the keyboard when I saw that today. Lets hope for the best but with FB's history and platform ....... 

[JG27_Chivas]

I don't like, use, or want to use Facebook.   I don't see the problem.  Users will want the best hardware possible, whether its gaming, military, health, industry, tourism, social media, etc etc.  If its not provided, users will move on to other hardware.   This partnership, provides unlimited financial, tech, and software support for the OR.  Facebook will be in the VR space, and use VR as it suits them, but its highly unlikely it will effect the VR use in this niche genre other than providing the best possible VR, and a Facebook splash screen. 

[FlatSpinMan]

Siq6Six - that last line sums up my thoughts, too. Crappy FB games - now in glorious 3D so you can count each pixel! It just seems so irrelevant to FB, but if it helps the Rift's development and spread, then I'm keen.

[SR-F_Winger]

https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7260

 

I would have also rather preferred another name than facebook up there. But in the long run its a good thing.

Ovulus has now access to much bigger resources and aquiring higher tech (i.e. displays) in nameable numbers is easier than it was for the former small venture OculusVR.

My prediction is the CV1 OR will be released even within this year. And it will feature a 1440p screen, "seethrough" function, a sleeker design and all the features known from DK2.

Edited March 26, 2014 by VSG1_Winger

[DD_bongodriver]

Fortunately the shock is wearing off and people are waking up with a much calmer attitude and many are seeing the clearer picture, the hardware is going to benefit infinitely now Oculus will have screen manufacturers lining up to be the ones to produce the screens instead of waiting for somebody's surplus.

[Georgio]

We'll worry about that when we get a DK2 unit in the office. We're not releasing any OR support until it is clear what the consumer version is or will be and we have our own units. Now with the FB buyout we're sure there will be changes to how they were doing things. There always is.

 

Jason

 

Jason, assuming things go *cough* badly with the Rift, are there plans to implement a more generic VR hook into BoS so that any VR device can be used or is the coding too specific to allow this?

Fortunately the shock is wearing off and people are waking up with a much calmer attitude and many are seeing the clearer picture, the hardware is going to benefit infinitely now Oculus will have screen manufacturers lining up to be the ones to produce the screens instead of waiting for somebody's surplus.

 

The screen is by far the most important component in VR so I don't understand this. Surely with the amount of money being pumped into this even pre-FB it wouldn't be that difficult to source some decent screens.

If I had a few million in my back pocket and guaranteed sales in the millions then I would go to China/Thailand and sort this out within a few days, it's not rocket science.

[DD_bongodriver]

Jason, assuming things go *cough* badly with the Rift, are there plans to implement a more generic VR hook into BoS so that any VR device can be used or is the coding too specific to allow this?

 

The screen is by far the most important component in VR so I don't understand this. Surely with the amount of money being pumped into this even pre-FB it wouldn't be that difficult to source some decent screens.

If I had a few million in my back pocket and guaranteed sales in the millions then I would go to China/Thailand and sort this out within a few days, it's not rocket science.

 

1. Developers from now on would probably do well to keep a finger in the VR pie

 

2. I think Oculus were still very dependent on sourcing hardware from existing production batches dictated by well established markets, now they have been given clout to be a viable market to start dictating hardware specification themselves.

[skullbiscuit]

I think it is naive to believe that the FB acquisition of OR is a positive development.  FB is a company whose customer is advertisers/marketers and all manner of data collectors.  It is hard to see how the interests of data collectors and sellers are aligned with those of gamers, let alone simulation enthusiasts.  This is niche product here within a niche.  Built by and for a very small segment of hard core simulation enthusiasts.

 

Whereas FB is about numbers, big numbers and mass marketing of people's personal information (or so people thought at one time) to marketers.

 

If Zygna and Farmville are what is considered gaming for FB, how does this niche product with a bunch of difficult if not impossible to please "rivet counters" going to be satisfied with this union?

 

At the very least the prospect of FB looking over my shoulder and recording my experience while in the flight simulation is something that outrages me.

 

Perhaps folks here have not considered the privacy implications of this acquisition?

[DD_bongodriver]

Nowhere near as naïve as believing that the deal means the oculus will now be tied to facebook.com and full of mid game pop-ups, nobody will be buying rifts to play candy crush saga, without serious VR games the whole idea collapses.

[skullbiscuit]

It will be tied to FB...why would they purchase the platform unless they were going to leverage it within their existing biz model?  This is a commercial decision, not to be tied to the original vision of this kickstarter enterprise (great link here if you want to understand more on the controversy of this acquisition).

 

FB does not have to corrupt the product with intrusive pop -ups in order to make it unappealing to a growing number of people who don't want their online experiences (data) shared with FB.

 

It is hard if not impossible to see how FB having acquired the company will now have no interest in collecting the data from how this product is used.

 

And if you think that meta-data on product use is without value, then why do companies collect it and why does the NSA collect it?  You can build a complete profile about someone just by collecting meta data on them.

[DD_bongodriver]

you won't be obliged to have a facebook account to use a peripheral.

[skullbiscuit]

you won't be obliged to have a facebook account to use a peripheral.

 

For sure?

 

If not...so what....I can still figure out who you are by correlating meta data from various sources.  FB only has to collect that data on you while you use the VR goggles and then correlate it with data they have either bought or collected on you elsewhere...and wa-la!  They know who you are...and that is why you are "surprised" when an advertisement shows up on (name your web hangout) for something you were just doing while using the FB VR goggles.

[DD_bongodriver]

so what if during the course of my internet activity I browse the rubber dog turd novelty shop and a bit later in the day a routine pop up advert on a webpage shows me an exclusive offer on a multi-pack of rubber poop?

[Charlo-VR]

Before yesterday I only imagined the Rift I buy when the CV is released would exclusively be used for BOS, ROF, and CloD.

 

Now I look forward to also using it in other ways, with perhaps as low a price point to also buy one for my wife because she'll see uses for it relevant to her interests.

 

I also look forward to more immersive virtual visits with my relatives who live thousands of miles away (the US is a big country).

 

Charlo

[DD_bongodriver]

Elite dangerous is going to be simply incredible in the rift, Assetto corsa is already supporting it and is more fun than a drunk fat chick, Half-life 2 supports it and once the low persistence motion sickness thing is solved FPS games will absolutely rock in it.

Edited March 26, 2014 by DD_bongodriver

[skullbiscuit]

so what if during the course of my internet activity I browse the rubber dog turd novelty shop and a bit later in the day a routine pop up advert on a webpage shows me an exclusive offer on a multi-pack of rubber poop?

There is a conflict of interest between developing a platform optimized for variable user experience (which I think is the original OC vision -- to make an open SDK for all games) and one that is optimized to collect data for advertisers.

 

And if you don't think that is what FB intends, then there really is no point in further discussion here.

 

BUIT..there is also the argument that you just don't want to be tracked....because you don't want to be profiled...for name your own reason...say you read Orwell's 1984 and you are sure that you don't want to help the would be authoritarians out there build a turn-key totalitarian state...

 

Soooo...now what?....The platform is no longer open, it is FB proprietary, it is to serve the interests of FB biz model.

 

So if you are cool with them looking over your shoulder and collecting all info on you regardless of where and how you use those goggles...then I suppose you're happy with the additional resources they will bring to bear on making the collection experience more "robust"

 

If on the other hand you want to resist the tide of privacy usurpation's that FB and other's represent...well then you can't like this acquisition.

[DD_bongodriver]

They can collect all the data they like on my gaming interests, hopefully it will translate into a boost for the genres I like.

[DD_bongodriver]

Your avatar is creepy.........

[skullbiscuit]

They can collect all the data they like on my gaming interests, hopefully it will translate into a boost for the genres I like.

It's much more than that...much much more....from your gaming interest they will be able to psychologically profile you and sell your profile to those marketers who believe they have something to offer you.

 

It is a fine line easily crossed from offering you something you "need" vs manipulating you into creating that "need"

 

If you are interested in the subject of population manipulation and control the BBC did a great series on it back in 2001 called Century of the Self --- it is on the Internet

 

But if you want to understand the implications of the loss of Internet privacy then NSA files on The Guardian are a good summary

 

You put together the manufacturing of appetites (the BBC series) with the pervasiveness of online surveillance (the Guardian NSA story) along with some history on changing societal norms (values --- think about how now society accepts things today that only a few years ago were unacceptable...and things could reverse under adverse conditions)

 

Well...let's just say that all this collection of your  data can be easily used in ways that not only you cannot imagine now...but would not approve of....if it is there, it can be accessed, and once accessed it can be used and abused.

 

There are few if any laws in place at this point in time to protect privacy while online.

Your avatar is creepy.........

It's meant to be....from a classic movie

 

Ever heard of Ingmar Bergman?

Edited March 26, 2014 by skullbiscuit

[DD_bongodriver]

Oooh.......BBC, now that is a scary organisation, shameless left wing propaganda

 

 

Yes I have heard of Ingmar Bergman.

[skullbiscuit]

Oooh.......BBC, now that is a scary organisation, shameless left wing propaganda

 

 

Yes I have heard of Ingmar Bergman.

 

ha ha BBC...actually they produce some good TV...that is for those of us in the states subjected to the likes of American Idol and other "reality TV"

 

At least the BBC requires you to have a brain....you may not agree with the point of view...but if you stop paying attention...you will lose something in the narrative...can't say that with reality TV...ha ha

 

The avatar is Death....from The Seventh Seal....great movie....and I'm agnostic...but a wonderful allegory well told

Edited March 26, 2014 by skullbiscuit

[DD_bongodriver]

Having a brain can also protect you from the ambient evil surrounding us like facebook

[skullbiscuit]

Having a brain can also protect you from the ambient evil surrounding us like facebook

 

True...but I spend enough time as an Info Sec professional protecting myself from online evil...that I don't want to lower the draw bridge, or wheel in the Trojan Rabbit (pick your metaphor or movie reference) so that they can spy on me.

 

So...I just think this acquisition is bad news for those of us who want our VR, but hold the spying.

Edited March 26, 2014 by skullbiscuit

[DD_bongodriver]

So facebook is the 'blue pill'?

[skullbiscuit]

So facebook is the 'blue pill'?

 

Yeah....couldn't have put it better 

 

In the interest of full disclosure ...I have a FB page...but it is a "dead" site....have not posted on it for years....

 

One of the things you have to do in order to not stand out...is to try to blend in like everyone else...just like the principles of camouflage...if you're the only one using encryption...then they know who you are

[DD_bongodriver]

well I won't have to choose which pill until I have the goggles strapped to my face, the minute I get a pop up ad in the rift it's going on ebay.

[Rama]

To All:

There's allready a topic in the "Free Subject" forum where you can talk about the evils or the goods of Facebook.

 

In this one, please stay on topic and leave the FB things for the Free Subject Forum.

[Jupp]