6./ZG26_Gielow Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Multiplayer is smooth beyond imagination!! No lag, no crashes, no freezes, etc... Good work boys!! It was really worth wait a week for a stable online experience. My results so far: Sorties: 03 KILL BOARD Squadron Pilot Enemy Pilot Date JG62 Gielow IL2 TBM-762 03/21 IL2 Viper 03/22
Mewt Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Agree that MP is getting smoother and smoother as the weekend progresses. But um..... You do know that some people have tens of thousands of air kills in combat flight sims? Trying to name every single one and who you shot down on a forum post is certainly ambitious.
Volkoff Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) MP is super fun. So far my LaGG-3 record is: I was maneuver killed in my first fight with a BF-109. I ambushed and shot down the second BF-109 I encountered. I had an inconclusive duel with my third Bf-109 encounter. I was ambushed and shot down on my forth Bf-109 encounter. On my fifth encounter, I shot two Bf-109s down. That is it, so far. I am having a great time in multiplayer. The LaGG-3 is a hoot to sim fly. MJ P.s. I also had one encounter with a Stuka. We shot one another down. Edited March 22, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA
pixelshader Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 MP is super fun. So far my LaGG-3 record is: I was maneuver killed in my first fight with a BF-109. I ambushed and shot down the second BF-109 I encountered. I had an inconclusive duel with my third Bf-109 encounter. I was ambushed and shot down on my forth Bf-109 encounter. On my fifth encounter, I shot two Bf-109s down. That is it, so far. I am having a great time in multiplayer. The LaGG-3 is a hoot to sim fly. MJ P.s. I also had one encounter with a Stuka. We shot one another down. I was that first 109! I think my most memorable experience was having a LaGG appear meters behind me when I glanced back while cruising at about 3km over the russian forward base.. 10 minutes later we were on the deck and still fighting, until a second LaGG joined and I soon had to run away damaged. I wondered who flew that LaGG so well, and in chat afterwards I recognised the name Requiem. Very nicely done! If our planes were swapped I think I would have been dead rather quickly.
Jaws2002 Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Is there a working player roster and stats page? I couldn't find anything. I flew three sorties in Il-2 single seater. The first two the server crashed and in the third one I managed to get above the enemy base and got in a scrap with few 109's at 2000m. I saw the wing fly off one of them after a deflection shot, but I don't know if I hit him or something else, as there was no message. All I saw was that he went in without a wing. There were no other friendly planes nearby. Then his buddies messed up my Il-2 and I had to ditch it. Edited March 22, 2014 by Jaws2002
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted March 22, 2014 Author Posted March 22, 2014 KILL BOARD Squadron Pilot Victory Sortie Date Enemy Pilot Location JG62 Gielow 1 1 21 Mar. 2014 IL2 TBM-762 Lapino 2 3 22 Mar. 2014 IL2 Viper Lapino 3 4 22 Mar. 2014 Lagg3 HaggarTheHorrible Lapino 4 4 22 Mar. 2014 Lagg3 Uriah Lapino 5 4 22 Mar. 2014 Lagg3 Nuno Martins Lapino Well, I like immersion and I will keep my board updated until I get shot down and dead Besides that, online flying is the "real deal" !! I have seen IL2 pilots (AKA Kraut) evading me better than fighters one. Those last two victories was a 3 Lagg formation where I shot down the first and the second plane with no effort like on shooting range and so after that the third guy realized what was going on and dived. No radios on russian planes like in WW2?? It is unpredictable like real life and that is what is really cool about online flying Got to keep an eye on Mikha
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted March 22, 2014 Author Posted March 22, 2014 Ok five kills !! Where is my Iron Cross ?? http://s0.uploads.im/t/9kolP.jpg
johncage Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 all fun and games until ju 87 drops the mini nuke on soviet airfield
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted March 22, 2014 Author Posted March 22, 2014 all fun and games until ju 87 drops the mini nuke on soviet airfield Wow !!! I need to do that !!!
Schmalzfaust Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Can't count my kills :-P To be honest I only fly the 109 so it's not a big deal against LaGG 3. Here are 4 confirmed kills. S! to these pilots Edited March 23, 2014 by Schmalzfaust 1
Volkoff Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 I was that first 109! I think my most memorable experience was having a LaGG appear meters behind me when I glanced back while cruising at about 3km over the russian forward base.. 10 minutes later we were on the deck and still fighting, until a second LaGG joined and I soon had to run away damaged. I wondered who flew that LaGG so well, and in chat afterwards I recognised the name Requiem. Very nicely done! If our planes were swapped I think I would have been dead rather quickly. Yes you were! Salute to you, Sir! MJ
sturmkraehe Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Hahaha, all these 109 blokes bragging about their air kills Show me your kills against 109Fs in a Lagg and get some credibility points here 109F vs Lagg4 is a bit like a gang of 17 years old taking on a 5 year hold kid OK. Jokes apart. I think what we will need in the end is - capability of dedicated servers - with server stats available on web pages of servers - coop mode - an easy to use full mission builder to make BOS a successful flight sim for the next 10 years.
III/JG11_Tiger Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 It started off almost unplayable for me if near the ground, but by last night it was quite smooth. I managed to sneak up on a couple of unwary 109's in the Lagg and at one stage I landed a damaged 109 in the snow, looked back to see the furrows caused by my wheels, the bumb mapping is great. It's so much more fun against people instead of just AI, cant wait for this too reach release state should be a big hit.
Volkoff Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Hahaha, all these 109 blokes bragging about their air kills Show me your kills against 109Fs in a Lagg and get some credibility points here 109F vs Lagg4 is a bit like a gang of 17 years old taking on a 5 year hold kid I can understand how you feel. I used to think that would be the case. Surprisingly, I now think that the LaGG-3, though challenging, is a very capable ride. In multiplayer, I have only been killed in the LaGG-3 once, and that was because I could not get out of a spin near the deck.Now, I have not had the pleasure of working in a coordinated two ship yet, over teamspeak, but had I a partner, I doubt that I would have spun into the deck, as I did, because the bnz attack would not have gone on as long as it did. My partner would have interrupted my attacker. As of tonight, I have been shot down two times, once by a BF-109 and once by a Stuka, but both times I was able to ditch and survive. I owe my simulated survival in both of my multiplayer shootdowns to the LaGG-3 being extremely durable and resistant to setting on fire. All of the BF-1o9s that I have shot down were mauled by the extremely powerful firepower of the LaGG-3, when I fired up close. The last BF-109 I shot down tonight burst into flames, after a single close in shot. Now, I haven't had the pleasure of using the LaGG-3 in a coordinated two ship over teamspeak, yet, but If LaGG-3s are used in coordinated pairs, I think that the LaGG-3 will be a pretty solid ride, especially for persons with a few years of multiplayer experience. MJ Edited March 23, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA
Volkoff Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Can't count my kills :-P To be honest I only fly the 109 so it's not a big deal against LaGG 3. Here are 4 confirmed kills. S! to these pilots Thank you for the great video. It is cool to see things from the windshield of the other side. I think you shouldn't be so dismissive of your skill and accomplishments when fighting against LaGG-3s, though. I have seen many Bf-109s shot down by LaGGs in multiplayer. Many multiplayer LaGG-3 pilots have years of experience in flight sims or even in flying real planes. The LaGG-3 has a really powerful close in punch, too. If a LaGG-3 pilot has good situational awareness, a LaGG-3 pilot can get evasive and can really make hitting the LaGG very challenging. Just because a LaGG-3 is not a Yak-3 does not mean that shooting down LaGGs doesn´t take a lot of skill. It is past my bedtime. I will watch your video again, tomorrow. Thanks again for making it. MJ Edited March 23, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA
TheCheese Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 I was that first 109! I think my most memorable experience was having a LaGG appear meters behind me when I glanced back while cruising at about 3km over the russian forward base.. 10 minutes later we were on the deck and still fighting, until a second LaGG joined and I soon had to run away damaged. I wondered who flew that LaGG so well, and in chat afterwards I recognised the name Requiem. Very nicely done! If our planes were swapped I think I would have been dead rather quickly. Haha, I was that second LaGG! Sorry to spoil your fight, heh heh
Uriah Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 I am proud to say I will soon make many other pilots aces.
=LD=Rulo Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Today, it was 109 time, tomorrow, it will be lagg time. The MP worked good from here, nice job guys. <S> Rulo
Panzerlang Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 I would say the LaGG is to the 109 in BoS as the 109 is to the Spitfire in CloD. It's nice to have a taste of things from the other side now in BoS. I guess that'll last until the Yak appears.
LY_LCT_unknwn Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) I would say the LaGG is to the 109 in BoS as the 109 is to the Spitfire in CloD. It's nice to have a taste of things from the other side now in BoS. I guess that'll last until the Yak appears. 109 is a beast in TF4.3 but still difference in fm is huge. Edited March 23, 2014 by LY_LCT_unknwn
Panzerlang Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Pilots being equal in CloD the Spitfire is pretty much untouchable. The 109 has 60 rounds per cannon, out on the wings, whereas the Spit has 13 seconds of shotgun so even when the 109 does get a shot it has to be perfect. The Spit can spray and pray and doesn't need much of the pray. The F4 in BoS has power and better manouverability than the LaGG, plus center-line guns. It's like taking candy from a baby, something the Spits in CloD do as a matter of course.
Chuck_Owl Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Pilots being equal in CloD the Spitfire is pretty much untouchable. The 109 has 60 rounds per cannon, out on the wings, whereas the Spit has 13 seconds of shotgun so even when the 109 does get a shot it has to be perfect. The Spit can spray and pray and doesn't need much of the pray. The F4 in BoS has power and better manouverability than the LaGG, plus center-line guns. It's like taking candy from a baby, something the Spits in CloD do as a matter of course. I must respectfully disagree on that one: equally skilled pilots flying a Spit against a 109 can often result in the 109 being untouchable due to superior rate of climb and diving speed. The Spitfire can turn pretty well, but you're constantly bleeding energy as you're doing it. In the long run, the boom n zoomer will always have the upper hand if he knows what he's doing.
BMA_West Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Imho something like Victory or Planes-downed board would be more appropriate ;°)
LY_LCT_unknwn Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Pilots being equal in CloD the Spitfire is pretty much untouchable. The 109 has 60 rounds per cannon, out on the wings, whereas the Spit has 13 seconds of shotgun so even when the 109 does get a shot it has to be perfect. The Spit can spray and pray and doesn't need much of the pray. The F4 in BoS has power and better manouverability than the LaGG, plus center-line guns. It's like taking candy from a baby, something the Spits in CloD do as a matter of course. I prefer 60 rounds per cannon than spraying Spit guns which barely do damage. But as we see DM in BOS and BOB are really different so hard to compare. In BOS you can destroy planes with MGs while in BOB you need to either hit pilot or destroy engine/controls (usually takes huge amount of ammo). Actually it feels like planes in BOB have huge amount of armor (especially Spit as it can take 20mm shells all day and continue to fly with huge holes). While in BOS damaging plane critically is very easy (with both MGs and Cannons).
FlatSpinMan Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Location: some place near Lapino Time: can't remember . It was sunny though. Victim: de-winged some 109 in my IL2. Har! Location: some place near Lapino Time: can't remember - about my second beer, I think. Victim: made some LaGG augur in after missing him spectacularly at low level in my wobbly 109. Har! Location: forget Time: probably still my second beer, possibly third Victim?: smoked a LaGG somewhere and then sportingly flew directly in front of his guns for the instant engine-kill on my brand new 109. We'll call it a draw. Location: Soviet Union, presumably Time: WW2. Daytime. Chilly. Victim: Some innocent LaGG pilot with whom I collided while attempting a vulch. Truly, I am the lowest of the low when it comes to online play. I'd best stick to building campaigns, for the sake of the multiplayer experience.
sturmkraehe Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 I must respectfully disagree on that one: equally skilled pilots flying a Spit against a 109 can often result in the 109 being untouchable due to superior rate of climb and diving speed. The Spitfire can turn pretty well, but you're constantly bleeding energy as you're doing it. In the long run, the boom n zoomer will always have the upper hand if he knows what he's doing. When looking at old IL2, it depends on the versions matched up against. A spit Vb vs a 109f4 is the match up that corresponds perfectly to your description. The Spit V is too slow and too bad in climb to counter efficiently a BnZ 109F4. When youo take a Spit 9 against a 109G6 the Spit 9 is imho slightly better as it is really fast, has good firepore and can turn like hell. When matching the Spit 9 to a 109G2 I think it is prettty balanced, the G2 turning nicely and having good acceleration which is not the case for the G6. In old IL2 I did not like the 109 at all. When I flew blue I always tried to get a Focke, my preferred version being the A4.
Zappatime Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 I bagged a whole string of il2 rear gunners, unfortunately I was in their front seat at the time ! 1
Blakhart Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 109G6 the Spit 9 is imho slightly better slightly better... slightly better... slightly better... Just check data m8: IXc is a superior... Better speed, climbing rate, turn radius and all that from 0 to 10 000 meters. Typical Spit IXc lover need to use only magic 1 hand turn 3600 degree and G6 is lost. 1 break spit is safe, then he still can outclimb 109G6... G2 is still worst than IXc or VIII. Just check il2compare. Its not my personal feeling , just pure technical data. BTW TF 4.3 fixed firepower in 109 and Spiti! Now you still cant easily destroy wings or tail but at least you can kill pilot and on oposite side its a lot easier to burn 109 No more "dive&land" option . 1
sturmkraehe Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) I think a moderator of this forum should be a bit more exemplary when participating in a discussion and not be so condescending. And no, I am not critisizing moderation action here but your way to discuss so no infringement of the forum rules - just in case. Back to topic: I think the Lagg3 has its advantages but it is really tough to maintain the upper hand in a dogfight. I just dived in about 600m above the 109 but as I have no trim I was not able to ajust my aim (one cannot push anymore if one is too fast) and overshot. I zoomed up again and that guy simply came after me and still having enough energy to catch up to me. Basically in a Lagg you only have one chance to shoot a 109 down which is too often spoiled because of lacking trim. Edited March 23, 2014 by sturmkraehe
FlatSpinMan Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 I'm just having fun. He likes posting detailed records of kills. I don't. 3
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted March 23, 2014 Author Posted March 23, 2014 I think a moderator of this forum should be a bit more exemplary when participating in a discussion and not be so condescending. And no, I am not critisizing moderation action here but your way to discuss so no infringement of the forum rules - just in case. [2] It is a nice topic and air combat is about aggressiveness, killing and staying alive to fight another day and continue killing. If you can't do that you should study more, train harder to improve and find the satisfaction of not being the best but a dangerous foe. I hope we can have a great squadron/pilot stat page on BoS. But like I said before, I have my own kills hand book to avoid games bugs and kill stealing online. This board here is to try to inspire people to evolve and become dangerous. Its a copy of Erich Hartmann log book, just replace pilot names for time (hour). Later maybe I will open a new topic with some must read books about air combat maneuvers and tactics. You guys should read the chapter about low wing load vs hight trhust to weight combat. That whats we have right now on BoS
76SQN-FatherTed Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Too many moderators! Looks to me as though sturmkraehe is referring to Blakhart
Volkoff Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Back to topic: I think the Lagg3 has its advantages but it is really tough to maintain the upper hand in a dogfight. Yes, this is why I kind of see the LaGG-3 as sort of like the Wildcat. I think that, if used in coordinated pairs over teamspeak, that the LaGG-3 can be a highly effective fighter against lone wolf BF-109 pilots, the same way that Wildcat pairs were able to tackle the singleton tactics of Zero pilots. When BF-109 pilots are also working in coordinated pairs over teamspeak, then it is time to grab a Yak-1 or get lots of LAgg-3s to gang up on the BF-109 pairs. Maybe we can take five LaGG-3s and form one giant LaGG, called LaGGtron, defender of the snow caps? MJ Edited March 23, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA
siipperi Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Ha! Amateurs! My record so far: 3 LaGG-3 trashed 2 BF-109 trashed 1 emergency landing with Stuka 1 trashed IL2 + Wasted 2 stuka's 1800 SC bombs (or what's the name) on the civilian area, because B is apparently bomb dropping key. But yeah, managed to shoot down one LaGG while I tested it a little bit. With stuka mind you! I haven't tested Stuka nor IL2 before this weekend and really liked gun-stuka, even though it might not be really for that time period. EDIT: P.S. that bomb is nicee! Who needs precision bombing when you have that! Edited March 23, 2014 by siipperi
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted March 23, 2014 Author Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Ha! Amateurs! That is the spirit!! We have a fighter pilot here!! Edited March 23, 2014 by JG62Gielow
sturmkraehe Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Yes, this is why I kind of see the LaGG-3 as sort of like the Wildcat. I think that, if used in coordinated pairs over teamspeak, that the LaGG-3 can be a highly effective fighter against lone wolf BF-109 pilots, the same way that Wildcat pairs were able to tackle the singleton tactics of Zero pilots. When BF-109 pilots are also working in coordinated pairs over teamspeak, then it is time to grab a Yak-1 or get lots of LAgg-3s to gang up on the BF-109 pairs. Maybe we can take five LaGG-3s and form one giant LaGG, called LaGGtron, defender of the snow caps? MJ Interesting. I was a frequent player on the zeke vs wildcat server during old IL2 times and I always prefered the Wildcat over the slower Zero. I always considered the Wildcat, even the early version available in old IL2 to be at least slightly superior to the Zero when used right. The later versions were imho clearly superior. The wildcat had to my experience always the advantage of speed and dive speed over the zero and it had an excellent turn rate at certain speeds. And it was sturdy like hell while it could seriously damage the paper zero with its pea shooters. In terms of pure flight performance I don't see any advantage of the Lagg over the 109 that it could exploit. I don't complain since it seems to be historic so it's fine. And as long as there are clouds the Lagg3 can be a player to count with although still disadvantaged. I simply hope they come up with the yak soon so the russian side can play more on equal terms even without cloud cover.
Jaws2002 Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) P.S. that bomb is nicee! Who needs precision bombing when you have that! Hehe. I dropped that thing on the commie airfield earlier today and it made a hole you could see Australia through it. I think the shockwave was felt around the globe....twice. Edited March 23, 2014 by Jaws2002
Georgio Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 Jumped in for an hour this afternoon and MP seemed a lot smoother than Friday even taking into account the 25 limit. Liking the LaGG more and more in MP those guns really are lethal: MG's out to 400m then everything close in for a killer punch. The LaGG really can take a beating; had three 109's on me lost everything canopy, gun sight, trailing all kinds of fluid including my blood, still managed to dive down to the deck and get away before my engine gave out and I bellied in for a crah landing. Biggest problem I have is making out enemy planes, more than once I've shot up a friendly plane that was zeroing in on me, so humble apologies for that, but I am getting better at spotting those damn yellow noses... ^^
ScotsmanFlyingscotsman Posted March 23, 2014 Posted March 23, 2014 That was my first time 'on line' and I got a lucky shot on 'Valios' who was flying a Lagg, Felt so sorry for the outnumbered Russians I then chose a IL-2 and tried to get off the Russian airfield, Sure is busy over there and I had a go at trying to stop 2 x Me109's that were doing some excellent teamwork going over the flack faclities, So only saw them flash past as I chugged along and then I killed myself trying to turn the corner too tight. Man that was excellent, thank you to all concerned. Must sort my callsign out though!
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