TheOldCrow Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Recently on the WOL servers I was flying a P-40 doing some circling over one of our positions. I noticed a 190 pilot on the deck heading back to his lines and dove after him. Just as I was closing within shooting range he pulled up slightly and flashed his nav lights. I then proceeded to take his wing off with the P-40's 50 cals. Any idea what he was doing? I've never come across this before. I assumed he might have confused me as a friendly but I've no way of knowing.
R6ckStar Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, TheOldCrow said: Recently on the WOL servers I was flying a P-40 doing some circling over one of our positions. I noticed a 190 pilot on the deck heading back to his lines and dove after him. Just as I was closing within shooting range he pulled up slightly and flashed his nav lights. I then proceeded to take his wing off with the P-40's 50 cals. Any idea what he was doing? I've never come across this before. I assumed he might have confused me as a friendly but I've no way of knowing. Sometimes people do that to indicate that their machine is broken and for the pilots to show mercy But also he might have confused you for a friendly
BlitzPig_EL Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Or he was signalling for help... In any case, you did the correct thing. 1 6 3
=FEW=fernando11 Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 He either was calling for help. Or mistook you for a 109. The slight upward angle of the p40 wings can look like a 109s if viewed from straight ahead/behind. All ussr fighters have straight wings.
TheOldCrow Posted May 31, 2019 Author Posted May 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, =FEW=fernando11 said: mistook you for a 109. The slight upward angle of the p40 wings can look like a 109s if viewed from straight ahead/behind. This is kinda what I figured, definitely caught me off guard at first. 14 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said: Or he was signalling for help... In any case, you did the correct thing. He definitely didn't find any help either before my P-40 shredded him ?
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Some of the old ‘46 servers had this as a means of indicating surrender. I haven’t seen it used in this new iteration ever and only started hearing about it happening a few weeks ago. If he was, in fact, surrendering. All of the other suggestions, however, are equally valid hypothesis.
-TBC-AeroAce Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 I will flash to let you know I'm going down please don't kill me!!
HagarTheHorrible Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, AeroAce said: I will flash to let you know I'm going down please don't kill me!! Then hit the silk, that’s why its there, don’t faff around with stupid honour codes. It’s not like you even have to be bothered with having to walk or hitch a lift home. If you’re in control of your aircraft then you’re piloting it in which case you’re still a target. The only time an enemy aircraft is not a target is when it is out of control either through major fire or from the loss of a structural element needed to support flight and given that even a major fire, in the sim world, is not always enough of an inducement to abandon ship then even that is not always a given. Edited May 31, 2019 by HagarTheHorrible 2
EAF19_Marsh Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Flashing? Is there no low to which the Luftwaffles will not stoop??!? Think of the children!!! 7
TWC_Ace Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) Nav lights are ridiculous here (as they were in old IL2). RL pilots are already stated that during a daylight (specially if its a very sunny day) nav lights couldnt be seen so far away. Oddly enough planes could be seen and in the game its vice versa. Its annoying and unrealistic. It gets exploited by teams in MP. Edited May 31, 2019 by =VARP=Tvrdi 1 2
CrazyDuck Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Sometimes people use lights to indicate they have lost engine power and are crash landing, so they beg for mercy before doing that, in particular when they are too low for bailing out. 1
Remontti Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 My experience in WoL says that they try to get help from team mates when they flash the lights. Sonetimes it helps and this time it didn't. Going a bit off-topic here but something strange happened in WoL last night. I was chasing a Fw190 in my Yak. Totally fixed on my prey of course so I didn't notice those 109s behind me. The first 109 was going faster and flew past my Yak maybe 50 meters above me and started firing at the 190. I was like "What!?" and tried to get the 109 on my sights before he gets too far. Then the other 109 comes from my behind and starts to shoot the first 109. So two germans going for germans and everybody ignoring me. I managed to to score two kills and the my engine just died (debris I think). Very confusing experience ? 6
RedKestrel Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Remontti said: My experience in WoL says that they try to get help from team mates when they flash the lights. Sonetimes it helps and this time it didn't. Going a bit off-topic here but something strange happened in WoL last night. I was chasing a Fw190 in my Yak. Totally fixed on my prey of course so I didn't notice those 109s behind me. The first 109 was going faster and flew past my Yak maybe 50 meters above me and started firing at the 190. I was like "What!?" and tried to get the 109 on my sights before he gets too far. Then the other 109 comes from my behind and starts to shoot the first 109. So two germans going for germans and everybody ignoring me. I managed to to score two kills and the my engine just died (debris I think). Very confusing experience ? When I'm on somebody and they're flashing their lights, I try and kill them within the next few seconds or get the hell away, as they're trying to summon help. One time I thought the guy was signaling surrender or thought I was friendly so I broke off, wagged my wings and turned away, then he turned around and nailed me! No mercy from me anymore. As far as interesting experiences like yours, a week or so ago on CombatBox I was dogfighting a 109G-14 in my yak (as you do). I had gotten some good hits in and he was leaking fuel and coolant, but I lost him for a bit. Then I looked up and saw a Dora come blazing in. I thought I was dead meat, but the dude completely ignored me, zoomed right for the smoking 109 and delivered a coup de grace with cannons blazing. Luckily I still got the kill! Guy didn't even apologize either. 2
[APAF]VR_Spartan85 Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 ya, the navs are to signal for help..... these days, so always ALWAYS when on the tail of another, check youre six position every 10sec or so... also, there are times i remember when if youre engine was done people would let you ditch, not anymore. peeps are just in for the kill these days.
Trooper117 Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 If an E/A is stupid enough to put his nav lights on then he gets the whole nine yards. I flew online all the time with the old IL2 and it was a complete no to put your nav lights on. In our squadron, nav lights were only put on for initial take off (flight leaders only)... once all were formed up lights were off. By putting your lights on you are just giving your position away... also by doing that you could be putting other friendly aircraft in the area at risk. Also, it was known for some units to put lights on as a ruse. You go to investigate, then get jumped by his mates. 1
Bert_Foster Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) On 5/31/2019 at 8:18 PM, =VARP=Tvrdi said: Nav lights are ridiculous here (as they were in old IL2). RL pilots are already stated that during a daylight (specially if its a very sunny day) nav lights couldnt be seen so far away. Oddly enough planes could be seen and in the game its vice versa. Its annoying and unrealistic. It gets exploited by teams in MP. Nav lts taken at Dusk: Edited June 1, 2019 by Bert_Foster 1
MD_Titus_Gibbonicus Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 Going back a bit, but in my time in '46 nav lights signalled a significantly damaged plane, and usually the opponent would leave you to try and get it on the deck in one piece. A mutually agreed arrangement that allowed the thrill of nursing a totally fubar'd crate to the deck, and if not successful then allowing the kill to the person who did the damage.
Trooper117 Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 In all of the big online wars that I took part in, that behaviour was never seen. Me... I just wanted to complete the mission and get home in one piece. Most people though were after the kill, and there was no 'leave it alone and let him try to get home'...
CountZero Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 Nav lights are wery buged in this game, from more then few km they become bright like sun and your not even able to see airplane betwen them, resembling nothing like in real. If that get fixed, no one would be using them mutch at day time.
Lusekofte Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Mostly they do it for showing where they are , thus showing where the action is so they can get help. I fly red so I only seen this being done on LW side, it probably a common thing among all sides. I would not put anything into it, it is just another trick that can go both ways Edited June 29, 2019 by LuseKofte
Legioneod Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 I use lights only for forming up and for locating my friend when I've lost him after a fight. I see people who try to use them for surrender or for calling for help but I never liked doing that. I don't really mind it though because it just makes them an easier target to spot and gives me an easier time shooting them down.
scram77 Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Had a 190 do this to me recently. I’d been tracking him then lost him, then all of a sudden he flashed his lights. I thought it was my lucky day and went after him... ...turns out it was all a ploy. He’d tried to get me to go after him so that his partner, flying just above the cloud cover could dive in when my head was focused on him. it unfortunately worked a treat and I felt like a right sucker!
Sokol1 Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 On 5/30/2019 at 10:06 PM, BlitzPig_EL said: Or he was signalling for help... In any case, you did the correct thing. Superior orders: "take no prisoners". ? 1
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