GTX580 vs GTX780Ti OC.

[Panzerlang]

Has anyone gone from the 580 to the 780Ti OC? And what kind of performance increase did you find? Worth the upgrade?

[Panzerlang]

I was more after performance comparisons in flight sims (BoS, RoF, CLod). A lot goes by the DX used too, with older tech (DX9 for example) not seeing particularly large increases in FPS from a 580 to a 780. Or so I've read.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Siggi, if your GTX580 runs BoS fine at 60fps or more then why upgrade to GTX780Ti? Is the invested money vs FPS worth it? Are you moving to UltraHD resolutions or running 1080p? Here the 780 and Ti versions are priced ridiculously high and even the hardware is great the investment is on the edge. BoS is DirectX 9.0c still as well. It is worth considering that do you REALLY need the card or can you go with current one for a while as it seems the new nVidia Maxwell's are very power efficient cards compared to current generation. And less than a year away. Just my .02€..

[Panzerlang]

I'm running at 1920 x 1200 on a 30" monitor and I'm seeing sub-30 FPS quite often. I'm thinking it's possible things will go further south once the full game is putting up loads of planes and lots of stuff is moving on the ground too. But I was thinking it would be a good idea to wait until the 800-series is out and to try and snipe a 780 at a reduced price. That window is often very small though.

 

I'd also like to run CLoD at 2560 x 1600 (my native resolution), as that cures the lack of FSAA but the 580 can't handle it.

 

£600 for a Ti, so it would need to be a real stonker of a card.

[Nage]

770 would be more than enough in BOS for that resolution...660Ti is about 15% faster than 580 and it can handle BOS on high no probs, smooth as silk on 1920x1200 24 inch. Ofcourse, If you have quad core cpu which runs at least somewhere from 3.2 to 3.5 Ghz. Then its a nice and optimized combo. Dont forget there is a big chance we will have a custom graphic (I hope we will) settings and with a HDR/SSAO turned off and with sweetFX AA it will run rocket fast.

 

hope this helps

Edited March 17, 2014 by tikvic

[Panzerlang]

I have a 2500k running at 4ghz, so no worries on that front.

[sop]

Maybe a g680, if you can wait I would, 780ti is still a lot of bucks verse value my own opnion of course)), I don't think you will see any performance boost with 780ti tht680 would give.

Edited March 17, 2014 by sop

[M4rgaux]

I'm running at 1920 x 1200 on a 30" monitor and I'm seeing sub-30 FPS quite often. I'm thinking it's possible things will go further south once the full game is putting up loads of planes and lots of stuff is moving on the ground too. But I was thinking it would be a good idea to wait until the 800-series is out and to try and snipe a 780 at a reduced price. That window is often very small though.

 

I'd also like to run CLoD at 2560 x 1600 (my native resolution), as that cures the lack of FSAA but the 580 can't handle it.

 

£600 for a Ti, so it would need to be a real stonker of a card.

 

You will have some gain, however don't expect a life changing increase in fps.

With lots of plane and stuff moving on the ground your graphic card won't have a lot more work to do.

 

I find strange that you're seeing sub-30 fps often, you should check you're system (gtx460, with 1st gen i7, running balanced with almost no fps drop).

[72sq_Savinio]

Wait the release of the game and then make your choice. Until the game is in progress the fps value and the "weigth" of the graphic settings can change week after week. Just my opinion.

Edited March 18, 2014 by Savinio

[SYN_Lt_Dan]

Well if it's any help I've just upgraded from a GTX 680 to a 780 TI and its an animal of a card. It chews through every thing arma 3 80fps full settings nothing chokes it I keep waiting for stutters and slow downs but it just rips right through every thing i chuck at it!!

 No tweak this setting and disable that setting for smoothness  just max it out and watch the magic unfold and kiss good bye to jaggy lines   

[sop]

Thats intresting considering arma is a cpu/hd intesnsive/ game, still don't believe you }) .

[SYN_Lt_Dan]

Then dont..

[Revvin]

I'm looking for a new graphics card, every few years I just do one big upgrade rather than a few smaller ones then keep that system until its struggling. I'm looking at either a 290x or 780ti and torn between the two, the 780ti comes out on top in benchmarks but I'm not sure if the extra £100 is worth the small margin, although DCS World apparently runs better on NVidia cards. DX12 won't be out until 2015 some time and in the meantime more developers are supporting AMD's Mantle API and I do like a game of Battlefield 4. The card would be paired with a new system based on a Core i7 CPU.

[Nil]

I changed from a 460 GTX to an OC's 770 GTX and the difference in DCS where insanly big.. now I can fly with all stuff on, without stutters, even mirrors, on my old quad 3.4 phenom II processor, running at 1920x1080.

[FuriousMeow]

I went from a 580 to a gigabyte windforce 3x 780ti, and it was an incredible improvement for all games. Then I came across more money and the 780ti went $40 cheaper so I went sli and there's simply nothing that phases them. Single card was outstanding above the 580, I'd do it again immediately. But certainly only if you have the money. The 580 will last you quite a but while longer.

[Revvin]

I went from a 580 to a gigabyte windforce 3x 780ti, and it was an incredible improvement for all games. Then I came across more money and the 780ti went $40 cheaper so I went sli and there's simply nothing that phases them. Single card was outstanding above the 580, I'd do it again immediately. But certainly only if you have the money. The 580 will last you quite a but while longer.

 

That Gigabyte card is the one I've been looking at buying, there was also an MSI one at the same price but I prefer Gigabyte as a brand as their motherboards have been very good in the systems I've built

[Revvin]

Ordered the Gigabyte 780Ti today with a new Intel CPU, motherboard and RAM. Complete change from my current all AMD setup.

[[Wolf]ArcaneRebel]

Ordered the Gigabyte 780Ti today with a new Intel CPU, motherboard and RAM. Complete change from my current all AMD setup.

Jealous! I almost regret getting a 770 instead of the 780Ti. I had the money for one but talked myself out of it darn it!

[dburne]

Ordered the Gigabyte 780Ti today with a new Intel CPU, motherboard and RAM. Complete change from my current all AMD setup.

 

You will be quite pleased!

[Revvin]

I hope so! I do a large upgrade every few years, my current rig is about 4-5 years old I think. I've used AMD to get good bang for buck but it seemed that every flight sim video either here or on Eagle Dynamics forums showing buttery smooth FPS was done by someone with an i7 or i5 so I've gone with an i7 clocked to 4.4Ghz with 16GB of 2133Mhz RAM. For the graphics card I was going to stay with AMD as Mantle was a draw and also the price over the nVidia but again benchmarks and a lower power usage and running temperature in an already overclocked system seemed to make sense. nVidia have also been touting a new driver that gives significant gains on Mantle also so I thought I may as well switch back to nVidia this time around and see how it goes with the 780ti. 

[dburne]

I hope so! I do a large upgrade every few years, my current rig is about 4-5 years old I think. I've used AMD to get good bang for buck but it seemed that every flight sim video either here or on Eagle Dynamics forums showing buttery smooth FPS was done by someone with an i7 or i5 so I've gone with an i7 clocked to 4.4Ghz with 16GB of 2133Mhz RAM.

 

Very similar to mine, I am running an I7 4820K at 4.50 Ghz with 16gb of 2133 Mhz ram. I am very pleased with this setup.

I have the GTX 770 card though, so yours will certainly be better.

You should be in very good shape for a while.

[Panzerlang]

I'm starting to like the look of the EVGA GTX780 Classified. At least one buyer says it clocks stable to 1250mhz and at £419 vs £599 for the Ti it looks like a no-brainer. The performance differential at stock for both cards certainly doesn't justify that extra £180 for the Ti.

 

Thoughts? Maybe I'm missing something?

[Panzerlang]

God dammit, something happened and the 780 Classified is inbound. Gee, I swear it was an accident.

[FuriousMeow]

Well, there isn't just clock speed. The 780Ti is fully unlocked Titan minus the full double precision floating point which is useful currently only in super computer calculations and limited to 3GB vs 6GB.

 

The 780 has less shader cores than the 780Ti.

 

The 780 will still work very well, but not just clock speeds determine performance.

Edited March 29, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[Panzerlang]

A premium is always going to be paid for what is touted/perceived as the cutting-edge tech, regardless of what it actually delivers vs the trailing edge. My 580 is hanging off the elevator, scoring 30fps on the ground, so both the 780 and the Ti would/will be a significant improvement. 400 vs 600 quid for something that'll munch the game to a point that 10~20 frames will make little to no appreciable difference. Hell, my 580 does 50~60 FPS at altitude.

[FuriousMeow]

Sure, no doubt. But the question is how much that extra performance is worth in pounds, shillings and pence.

 

It's always a question of how to get the optimum performance per buck.

 

And that question, of course, is always dependent on how much you can afford/justify at that particular time. And the question is only pertinent right now, because technology is moving so fast, prices are changing so swiftly.

 

It's always an interesting question.

 

 

Well my recent trip to Scotland showed me that my value per performance is way, way less than the pounds, shillings or pence. It's almost 2 pounds per 1 USD. I spent so much there that after taking a peak at my bank account upon returning to the states I have since been extremely afraid to open my statements, but it was a great trip and a very beautiful country.

 

Certainly the 780 is not a wasted pence or penny, its a great card. I was simply adding that clock performance isn't all there is to it. Was my only information to add.

[Panzerlang]

I have the GTX780 (EVGA Classified, clocking at 1150mhz in-game) up and running. Wow! I've gone from 1920x1200 to 2560x1600 (native res) and I'm getting mostly around 50fps in BoS on the deck. Bounces off 60 at altitude. CloD even better.

 

The card is maxing out around 70% in BoS but hits 100% in CloD. I guess BoS is CPU bound? I'm not sure what by, there's not much AI going on in MP.

 

Whatever, it's a stonking good card.

[FuriousMeow]

The card is maxing out around 70% in BoS but hits 100% in CloD. I guess BoS is CPU bound? I'm not sure what by, there's not much AI going on in MP.

 

 

 

AI isn't the only thing the CPU calculates. There's far more to the modelling that you can't see that has to be calculated than in CloD or other titles. Much, more more to the physics modelling. Each individual part of a plane has physical properties that are calculated when they detach from the aircraft. There's just far more to BoS.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Pertty happy with my 290X. Drivers are not as bad as some imply here, improvements have happened and a lot too. No driver can save from crappy coding Mantle works fine with TrueAudio in Thief, quite happy with that even the game is so so. I ran nVidia before, but dropped out after their pricing jumped through the roof. At least here it did. Over 200€ difference in price for what, a few FPS? No thanks. One thing I need to invest to is a new CPU as the Xeon does not overclock and there seem to be some benefits if you can run at higher clocks. So basically my CPU is holding me back at the moment  

[Panzerlang]

Sweet! We need some screenshots.

 

You looked at Shadowplay yet?

Not sure if you save your moments as movie clips, if you do (or always wanted to) you'll love Shadowplay.

Only available for NVidia 6x series and upwards.

 

This is at 2560x1600 on Ultra, the counter was showing 60fps:

 

[Revvin]

Looks great, I'm just waiting on a new case to arrive so I can finally give IL-2:BoS some proper time once I build my new system.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Siggi. Try the large map and near the plumes of smoke and some AI around. Would be interesting if BoS had a Benchmark Track like original IL-2 had, to really stress the hardware

[Panzerlang]

In the cockpit was around 33fps, under the chute was around 24fps:

 

It was a 6 vs 8 dogfight.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Quite a hit on the FPS with not so big resolution increase. 

[Panzerlang]

AA is on full within the sim, I'll dial it back and see what occurs.

[Panzerlang]

AA turned off, got 27fps at zero alt through the city with smoke ahead. The image quality looked the same so I think the AA setting has zero effect (non functional).

 

NB I don't have BoS configured in the Nvidia CP at all.

Edited April 4, 2014 by II/JG3Siggi

[Panzerlang]

It could well be that the AA setting impacts stuff without actually working on the image quality in the game. WIP and all that jazz.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

I agree the pixel amount is quite a bit higher  

[Revvin]

Just a quick question to the i5 and i7 users, I've used CPU-Z to check my overclock and notice it idles back to around 800mhz when I'm not doing much on the PC but hits its full 4.4ghz when I'm starting to run a few apps. If I go into power options in Control Panel and select the high performance profile it stays steady at 4.4ghz, what are you guys using? balanced profile and let your CPU throttle back or to you keep it at full chat? I'm assuming upon starting a game I'm going to get full beans from it anyway but just wondered what other users are using or whether you've disabled it in the BIOS?

[Panzerlang]

Mine runs non-gaming stuff at around 1500 and goes to 4ghz under load. I did have it clocked to run at full/high speed permanently but eventually figured it wasn't the cleverest thing to do.

Edited April 5, 2014 by II/JG3Siggi