Stug 40/43, Tiger, AI gunnery

[JG1_Wittmann]

SO I set up a test mission to explore why AI reinforcements do not accomplish very much.   I put 4  Stug 40/43's   on 1 side,   Tiger playable in the middle.   Clear field of fire, 500M   I place 1 T34 stz 41, 2 T70's  and 1 KV1-42.  I gave all the AI attack zone commands and got in my Tiger to watch.   In gun-scope, watched  all of the Stugs target the T34.  They all hit, I stopped counting at 20 hits.   Now  I got bored and killed all 4.  Some missions all 4 Stugs are taken out if I don't intervene.    All of the Stug's hits on the T34, and KV1, when they fired at it,  hit the Gun Mantlet.    The worse place to strike.  Not 1 hit on the front slope.   Now looking around on the Web, I came across the effectiveness of the Stug Gun, and apparently, needs to be within 100m to kill the T34 with a mantlet shot.

 

Additional missions, I placed an AI Tiger. I gave it ACPR rounds.   All of the Tiger's hits were on gun mantlets as well, but with the ACPR, it killed theKV1 and the T34.

 

The question I have is why do  the AI tanks only target the Mantlet ?  If the AI scores a Mantlet hit on a stationary target, it absolutely has to be able to adjust aim and go for the hull to ensure a kill.   That goes for all AI tanks.   Without the capability for the AI to adjust aim lower they are for the most part useless unless they are a Tiger with ACPR

[Thad]

Did you also test these results using different AI settings. ie. Low, Regular and High to see if there was a difference in performance?

Edited May 14, 2019 by Thad

[JG1_Wittmann]

Had Normal and High.  looked like normal had fewer hits but same area.  I reduced to 1 T34,  2 PzIV, 2 Stug, 1 PzIIIM,   T34 on normal,    1 shotted both of the 4's,  high,  gun or mantlet,  Stug 3,  took out with high shots near the gun.    I put a Flak 37 a bit further back to attract less attention, normal and high, all hits appear to be the gun mantlet area.  The 88 was able to get a kill though,   If the AI 75 on the Stug, Pz 4  etc  all hit the gun mantlet or gun it would seem  that the effectiveness will be next to nothing from the front, because they do miss  but when they hit it is always high.

Update !     So I decided to try it from the T34 end.   Tiger 1 shots me  gun mantlet.   I take the Tiger out, put in a PzIII M  with ACPR.    PZIII  takes out my gun with first shot, kills me with second.    I take out the PzIII with ACPR  and now  facing 2 stugs, 2 PzIV's.   1 normal 1high per pair.    I recieve alot of hits,  12-14.   I am able to disable guns and destroy all 4 of the group.

Anyone else tried any  stationary  battles to see results ?

[Velxra]

Mostly like it is an oversight in the AI targeting or perhaps a method to keep them from being too good each time with laser vision. This just further highlights why having more player operated vehicles in missions would yield a more quality experience over just using the AI as the bulk of opposition. So good finds of information sdm109rm.

[JG1_Wittmann]

From what I have seen,  the targeting is laser like.  They either miss for the % they are supposed too, or they hit the mantlet.   Now my testing has not been   that long ongoing, but I have yet to see, when looking for it, a shot to the front hull plate.  This may change if the shot was to the side, etc.   Just posting some observations  and  wondering if anyone has seen anything similar.

 

Edited May 15, 2019 by sdm109rm
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[Velxra]

12 hours ago, sdm109rm said:

From what I have seen,  the targeting is laser like.  They either miss for the % they are supposed too, or they hit the mantlet.   Now my testing has not been   that long ongoing, but I have yet to see, when looking for it, a shot to the front hull plate.  This may change if the shot was to the side, etc.   Just posting some observations  and  wondering if anyone has seen anything similar.

 

 

Seems pretty typical of the AI in the game. Gunners for planes are also insanely accurate at times when they should not be as well.