AndyJWest Posted December 3, 2013 Posted December 3, 2013 Given that the BoS alpha has now been released, as a 32-bit application, it seems rather pointless suggesting that it should be 64-bit. The developers are hardly going to change it at this stage, are they?
keet Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 I think that it should be 64-bit only. All mainstream desktop and laptop processors (apart from Atom processors, and probably very few would seriously try playing a recent flight simulator with an Atom processor) have been 64-bit for at least seven years. Most computers nowadays come with 64-bit operating systems on them, and 64-bit O.S.s have been common since Windows Vista (there were 64-bit editions of Windows XP, but they were quite uncommon and probably unsuitable for gaming), more than half a decade ago. It seems to be (and I could easily be wrong, but I hope not) that making the game 64-bit only would be much easier for the developers, and it would probably make the game smoother overall for those of us who just play it.
beepee Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 For my part. Seeing as I have paid $94 for a 32bit.exe version of BOS that runs on my 32bit laptop, I would have to say 32bit would'nt I? Not everyone can actually afford to rush out and buy a brand-spanking 64bit machine. If you go by the Steam statistics posted above, if it does go 64bit, you are running the risk of alienating 14% of a potential market. Anyway, as mentioned above, it seems a little late in the day for this discussion. Seeing as it is out as a 32bit Alpha.
keet Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 For my part. Seeing as I have paid $94 for a 32bit.exe version of BOS that runs on my 32bit laptop, I would have to say 32bit would'nt I? Not everyone can actually afford to rush out and buy a brand-spanking 64bit machine. Unless you bought your laptop more than five years ago or it has an Atom C.P.U. that is not at all suitable for playing B.O.S., it almost certainly has a 64-bit processor. Also, if you have $90 to spend on a game, then you almost certainly have enough money to upgrade to a 64-bit version of Windows, since they have been out for six years. 1
beepee Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Unless you bought your laptop more than five years ago or it has an Atom C.P.U. that is not at all suitable for playing B.O.S., it almost certainly has a 64-bit processor. Also, if you have $90 to spend on a game, then you almost certainly have enough money to upgrade to a 64-bit version of Windows, since they have been out for six years. Incorrect. I have a Toshiba F60 PQF65A it is no more than 3 years old. It has an Intel Core i7 620M, 4GB Ram and a Geforce330m 1GB card. Granted I can not run the game on it's highest settings, but I can run it. To be honest I am unsure if I can upgrade to 64 bit on this thing, but you are correct I could afford that and will do so if that is the case. What I actually meant, was that some people that are running lower spec machines might not have the ability to upgrade to 64bit, and would therefore need to buy a new PC, which might not be an option(I certainly can't afford to do that at this stage). You have to remember, we are part of a global community here, and due to variations in economies, and therefore PC prices, we are not talking a level playing field in terms of affordability.
keet Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Incorrect. I have a Toshiba F60 PQF65A it is no more than 3 years old. It has an Intel Core i7 620M, 4GB Ram and a Geforce330m 1GB card. Granted I can not run the game on it's highest settings, but I can run it. Your i7 processor is certainly a 64-bit processor. As I said, just about anything that came out within the past five years will have a 64-bit C.P.U. Anything older than that will probably not be fast enough to run the game anyway. Thus, pretty much any computer fast enough to play the game in more than slideshow mode, and any computer that came out within the past five years, will have a 64-bit C.P.U. As far as having a 64-bit operating system, unfortunately, many computers with 64-bit processors did not come with 64-bit O.S.s. With some licenses, you can install 32- or 64-bit versions interchangeably, but with others, you might not, and might need to get a 64-bit version separately, though this seems unreasonable to me (unreasonable on the part of Microsoft or the computer manufacturer... I know with non-O.E.M. licenses it is easy to install either, but I am not sure regarding O.E.M. licenses. Many store-bought computers don't even come with proper Windows installation discs in the first place, never mind the option to choose a different version, bitwise). Windows licenses are expensive, but someone in that situation could at least ask Microsoft whether he could install a 64-bit version with his current license, and request an installation disc.
keet Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 On a side note, I have played quite a few games in 'slideshow mode', including Strike Commander on a 386SX/25. It played at about 1fps. I didn't play it for long, though... I tried to fly a couple missions unsuccessfully and gave up. The second game was Privateer, which got maybe 3fps... it was playable, but the crosshair moved a couple inches at a time, so aiming was very difficult -- I kept needing to go back and forth until it was aimed just right. I played through the whole game (or the vast majority of it) like this, though it was much more fun after I upgraded to a 486.
beepee Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) Your i7 processor is certainly a 64-bit processor. As I said, just about anything that came out within the past five years will have a 64-bit C.P.U. Anything older than that will probably not be fast enough to run the game anyway. Thus, pretty much any computer fast enough to play the game in more than slideshow mode, and any computer that came out within the past five years, will have a 64-bit C.P.U. As far as having a 64-bit operating system, unfortunately, many computers with 64-bit processors did not come with 64-bit O.S.s. With some licenses, you can install 32- or 64-bit versions interchangeably, but with others, you might not, and might need to get a 64-bit version separately, though this seems unreasonable to me (unreasonable on the part of Microsoft or the computer manufacturer... I know with non-O.E.M. licenses it is easy to install either, but I am not sure regarding O.E.M. licenses. Many store-bought computers don't even come with proper Windows installation discs in the first place, never mind the option to choose a different version, bitwise). Windows licenses are expensive, but someone in that situation could at least ask Microsoft whether he could install a 64-bit version with his current license, and request an installation disc. You are correct keet. I had not understood about the processor vs. OS in terms of bits. It turns out I CAN upgrade the OS. According to a site I was just browsing, this machine also comes with 64-bit on a recovery partition. I have no idea about that, since as far as I can see from Disk Management, the recovery partition is only 1.46GB. I'm going to have a dig around and try to figure out IF I can use that partition, or increase it to accommodate my needs. If not, I guess I will just buy a 64bit version of Windows 7, back up my files and install it. Cheers for clarifying that for me sir. Edited December 30, 2013 by =TFK=Beeps
beepee Posted December 31, 2013 Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) though it was much more fun after I upgraded to a 486. I bet it was. As far as sims go, my first experience on a PC (I'm not counting the Vic20 or C64), was with the original F-16 Falcon game. No problems with FPS there, those bitmapped MIG-21s were smooth as. Edited December 31, 2013 by =TFK=Beeps
SOLIDKREATE Posted December 31, 2013 Posted December 31, 2013 x64 Bit.......are people still using x32 Bit systems?
Emgy Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Most games are still 32 bit (not just BoS!) even though we've had 64 bit Vista since 2006. This should tell us there is very little automatic benefit to making 64 bit software. 32-bit software running in a 64-bit OS can use up to 4gb RAM. Some other modern 32 bit games: Arma III Assetto Corsa Rome: Total War 2 Btw there are some people who get more FPS in BF4 32bit, compared to the 64bit version. Just because there's something new in the programming world, doesn't mean it gives consumers better results.
Kling Posted February 2, 2014 Author Posted February 2, 2014 The poll was deleted a long time ago for reasons unknown to me... Just to let you know that is not my fault that its not possible to vote anymore.
AndyJWest Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 This has to be the most pointless thread on the forum... 1
wtornado Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I was surprised when I read this about the game just 32 bit and not 64 bit too. Well look on the bright side we will be able to run the game off a pen drive running at 32 bit.
SOLIDKREATE Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) This has to be the most pointless thread on the forum... Please explain your troll statement after reading post #17 from Bearcat. Then come back and make an intelligent response so us 'Common Folk' can understand your brilliant determination. - REPORTED to Moderator staff. Edited March 2, 2014 by 9./JG54_SPEKTRE76
J2_Trupobaw Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) Make the game work first. Then bells, whistles and rewriting the RoF engine it runs on into 64 bit version. Voted "Yes in long run, but not a priority". Please explain your troll statement after reading post #17 from Bearcat. Then come back and make an intelligent response so us 'Common Folk' can understand your brilliant determination. - REPORTED to Moderator staff. Probably because most people will vote yes to 64 bit engine, adding more planes to the game, clickable cockpits, peace in the world, getting free candy etc - there are no disadvantages to having 64 bit version, so why would anyone not want it? The question boils down to "would you like extra good stuff or not?" and there is little point in us discussing how much we'd like to have more goodies as opposed to not having them. The real question, "Can we afford switch to 64 bit and if yes, when?" should be answered by devs team. Edited March 3, 2014 by Trupobaw 1
Bearcat Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Locking .. because one year after it was started it has now become a moot point.
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